nVIDIA PRICE DROP-7800GTX512 $399, 7900GT $299, 7900GTX512 $499

[vtohthree]

I would have considered the X1900XT for $500 have I waited for it to come out. Only because it seems to deliver price per performance, ie: x1900xt= roughly x2 7800GT performance for less than x2 the price. But my strategy was to either get a cheap card(like a 6600GT) and wait it out until the real good stuff comes out later this year, or something decent (7800GT) and try to be happy with it for a while. I went in between with the 6800GS, I was honestly pissed off and dissappointed at myself for the purchase, I thought I would've gone better with the other two.

Now, I'm glad I didn't get a 7800GT for $300, =).

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: RobertR1

Originally posted by: yacoub

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: yacoub
Great, one goes away, another comes to take his place. Crusader for beggarking. Thread is hopeless if it wasn't already.

another one of your flaming/ crap post.

Do you even remember what you're arguing about begger? You just go on and on and on. Obviously, the other guy is not going to STFU, so why don't you take the step first.?

Actually every one of the "other guy"s has left him to ramble on and on and he's gotten to the point now where he's posted almost an entire page of replies all by himself.

He does that often! really feels the need to address everything pointless but skip anything with merit.

what does what? the topic is bolded, he is simply thread crapping./ personal attacking.

::: Passes beggerking a couple of rolls of Charmin:::
You don't know what personal attacking is. You are in pure defense mode, which means you have even lost track of the eleventy billions non-points you are trying to make.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: beggerking

Once again you resort to insults. Please. Go back to your puny elementary school and learn to speak properly.

Its not an insult, it's a fact. You're a troll.

I don't know what he might do in other threads, but all the efforts to call him names is what screws up this thread, not Beggarking's original post.

His post does not hide the games he is talking about, everyone is free to make their own conclusions about whether those games matter or not.

-impartial observer who is wading through a lot of BS halfway throught this thread to get to the next message worth reading..

 

[Keysplayr]

Hopefully someday, these forums will allow us to block all content from specific members. Hows that for taking out the garbage posts.. That would be sweet.

 

[CaiNaM]

is there anything useful left to say in this thread? seems it's run it's course and we should let it die.. 3 pages of bickering and insults would seem to indicate that =/

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: beggerking

Once again you resort to insults. Please. Go back to your puny elementary school and learn to speak properly.

Its not an insult, it's a fact. You're a troll.

I don't know what he might do in other threads, but all the efforts to call him names is what screws up this thread, not Beggarking's original post.

His post does not hide the games he is talking about, everyone is free to make their own conclusions about whether those games matter or not.

-impartial observer who is wading through a lot of BS halfway throught this thread to get to the next message worth reading..

Thank you.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

::: Passes beggerking a couple of rolls of Charmin:::
You don't know what personal attacking is. You are in pure defense mode, which means you have even lost track of the eleventy billions non-points you are trying to make.

point is I was only presenting data presented by a website, when they started all the name calling.

 

[Cygnus X1]

[

point is I was only presenting data presented by a website, when they started all the name calling.[/quote]
Don't believe everything you read

Do I get a cookie for starting this?

 

[Zstream]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

::: Passes beggerking a couple of rolls of Charmin:::
You don't know what personal attacking is. You are in pure defense mode, which means you have even lost track of the eleventy billions non-points you are trying to make.

point is I was only presenting data presented by a website, when they started all the name calling.

I could show test from a website but does not mean it is a argument to be presented?

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: Zstream

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

::: Passes beggerking a couple of rolls of Charmin:::
You don't know what personal attacking is. You are in pure defense mode, which means you have even lost track of the eleventy billions non-points you are trying to make.

point is I was only presenting data presented by a website, when they started all the name calling.

I could show test from a website but does not mean it is a argument to be presented?

what argument? I'm just showing all data
while the others are arguing + name calling because:
1. they don't like some of the games presented
2. they don't think some resolution should be benched...???

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

::: Passes beggerking a couple of rolls of Charmin:::
You don't know what personal attacking is. You are in pure defense mode, which means you have even lost track of the eleventy billions non-points you are trying to make.

point is I was only presenting data presented by a website, when they started all the name calling.

Yes, they called you names (and were out of line to personally attack you). You could have ignored it, but chose to start flaming back instead of addressing the actual criticism of the benches you posted. Take it to PMs or a mod if you feel that other posters are violating the forum's rules. I don't want to derail this thread any further (if that's even possible at this point), so if you want to discuss this, please send me a PM.

With a few exceptions (like FEAR or COD2), it's meaningless to test such fast cards at low resolutions and without AA, because the benchmark becomes a theoretical fillrate or engine/driver CPU efficiency test. Anything as fast or faster than a 7800GT or X1800XL is going to be insanely fast at playing older games, or even most newer ones at less demanding settings. Such benches are not realistic comparisons of the capabilities of the cards. Running at 150FPS versus 180FPS at 1024x768 noAA/noAF is not what I would call a meaningful 'win' for either card. Testing without AA/AF in general at this performance level is somewhat questionable, since most people who buy such fast cards are going to want to turn on most if not all of the eye candy for their games.

Tests with 'less popular' games are more of a mixed bag in terms of usefulness (unless you play those games, obviously), since they are not always well-optimized to begin with and the engine design may heavily favor one card over another. In particular, console ports from the XBox(1) (like Riddick) usually tend to favor NVIDIA's architectures, since they were written originally for what is basically a GF3, and so they aren't always the best way to determine performance on future PC games. Although obviously, performance on the games you play should factor into any purchasing decision; if you play Warhammer 40K: Dawn Of War a lot, then you want a GF7-based card, since for whatever reason it runs a lot faster on them.

Another issue with the xbit review you linked to is that it is using the modified Catalyst 6.1 drivers that shipped with the X1900s, rather than the newer Catalyst 6.2 drivers. There could be performance differences in the drivers themselves. There's not really enough information out there to determine this one way or the other.

 

[beggerking]

well said, Mods have been notified.

 

[paulxcook]

This thread could have been enjoyable if I hadn't had to skim past 300 posts of "You suck!!!" and "Nuh uh, you do!!!!"

I plan to call EVGA the day the new cards are released to see about getting a step up. In the meantime, here's a response I got from them via email about the 79xx series:

Hello,

I recently purchased an EVGA 7800 GT CO. It has come to my attention
that the 7900 will soon launch, and will apparently lauch at ~$300. Is
it in my best interest to return this card to Newegg.com, or should I
take advantage of the Step-Up program through EVGA?

I purchased the card originally for $270, and a return will require a
%15 restocking fee. Thus I would only receive $230 credit. If I step
up to a 7900 GT, will it cost me more than $70?

Also, I'm not sure if you can tell me this, but will the price of the
7900 GT be ~$300? That is the rumor, but I apparently not everything I
read on the Internet is true.

Thanks,

Paul

Paul,
Unfortunately, we have not been given any information about any possible
future technologies such as this. If a new technology is released within
90 days of your original purchase date, you will be eligible to
participate in the Step-Up program for said new product. I apologize for
the inconvenience, and I'm sorry I could not more adequately answer your
question. If you have any other questions or comments, you may submit an
email to our customer service / technical support department by visiting
http://evga.com/support/getsupport/default.asp or you may call us at
888.881.3842.

EVGA Customer Service

 

[peleejosh]

they gave you the "we are under NDA" response.

 

[paulxcook]

Yes, I figured they knew and just couldn't tell me anything. But at least they didn't say there would be no trades in for 7800 customers. I doubt it'll be an even exchange, but that's alright with me.

 

[yacoub]

Originally posted by: Matthias99
Yes, they called you names (and were out of line to personally attack you).

I won't defend anyone who actually called anyone else names, but it's rubbish to agree with the lie that he was "just posting a link". If you think his "just posting a link" and associated comments in this thread are acceptable and not trolling then either you're insulting his intelligence or you fail to comprehend how posting outdated game reviews that provide contrary data is simply done for the sake of trying to create an argument that shouldn't even exist in the thread is wrong. In this type of thread, it's commonly referred to as trolling to do what he did.

Again, either you're saying he's not intelligent enough to be aware of what his own actions will ignite, or you're unaware of what exactly he did to this thread. Judging by the rest of your post, you are aware of how useless and inflammatory posting such a link (and defending it) is. Thus, he trolled. And when he got called on it, instead of stopping, he dragged it out just like a troll does when they're derailing a thread. Whether he did it on purpose or not goes back to whether or not he's intelligent enough to know what he did was wrong. Only he knows the answer to that. End of story, end of discussion.

 

[LiquidImpulse]

w.e, graphic cards become obsolete quite fast

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Hopefully someday, these forums will allow us to block all content from specific members. Hows that for taking out the garbage posts.. That would be sweet.

what about when your 'blocked poster' is quoted by someone else?

i can avoid reading your posts when i want to.



btw, what is this thread about?


i haven seen an On-Topic post in the last 50

nVidia Price drop?

awesome
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

as in the response to the e-mail, paulxcook, try again next week. . . . $40 + shipping is tough to eat.
me? i'd benchmark the card, see if it suited my needs for the games i play, read the reviews quickly . . . but it looks like you will get the upgrade.

tough call

 

[paulxcook]

Originally posted by: apoppinas in the response to the e-mail, paulxcook, try again next week. . . . $40 + shipping is tough to eat.
me? i'd benchmark the card, see if it suited my needs for the games i play, read the reviews quickly . . . but it looks like you will get the upgrade.

tough call

I've benched the thing, and while I'll definitely wait for reviews to confirm my/our suspicions, my guess is that I'll gladly pay the $40 for a refreshed 7800 GTX 256mb. I may even get two

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: paulxcook

Originally posted by: apoppinas in the response to the e-mail, paulxcook, try again next week. . . . $40 + shipping is tough to eat.
me? i'd benchmark the card, see if it suited my needs for the games i play, read the reviews quickly . . . but it looks like you will get the upgrade.

tough call

I've benched the thing, and while I'll definitely wait for reviews to confirm my/our suspicions, my guess is that I'll gladly pay the $40 for a refreshed 7800 GTX 256mb. I may even get two

isn't your only concern that you won't be allowed to step up?

. . . or that the new card will be too expensive?

i think i would wait for the step up.

 

[MrX8503]

man that was a long argument. IMO i'm happy about these news. I was going to settle for a 7800gt now i can get a 7900gt for $300. I'm happy with that.

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: yacoub

Originally posted by: Matthias99
Yes, they called you names (and were out of line to personally attack you).

I won't defend anyone who actually called anyone else names, but it's rubbish to agree with the lie that he was "just posting a link". If you think his "just posting a link" and associated comments in this thread are acceptable and not trolling then either you're insulting his intelligence or you fail to comprehend how posting outdated game reviews that provide contrary data is simply done for the sake of trying to create an argument that shouldn't even exist in the thread is wrong. In this type of thread, it's commonly referred to as trolling to do what he did.

Again, either you're saying he's not intelligent enough to be aware of what his own actions will ignite, or you're unaware of what exactly he did to this thread. Judging by the rest of your post, you are aware of how useless and inflammatory posting such a link (and defending it) is. Thus, he trolled. And when he got called on it, instead of stopping, he dragged it out just like a troll does when they're derailing a thread. Whether he did it on purpose or not goes back to whether or not he's intelligent enough to know what he did was wrong. Only he knows the answer to that. End of story, end of discussion.

Posting benchmarks is not IMO in the realm of 'trolling', even if they are poor benchmarks in your opinion or the poster has come to what you think is the 'wrong' conclusion. You can have a discussion about technical topics -- even if you disagree with someone -- without it getting personal. Posting those benches may have been 'useless', but it wasn't 'inflammatory' in and of itself.

Explain to me how this post by 5150Joker after beggarking linked to those benches is appropriate:

Begger, are you stupid or just trolling? You're counting tests that don't utilize AA/AF at low resolution as wins? The XBit review is older and uses crappy games like Snowblind, WarHammer and Pacific Fighters.

(emphasis added)

The personal attack is completely unnecessary, and started the whole mess that took the thread off into left field. Of course, beggarking's response to this didn't help, and when he started throwing insults back (which 5150Joker also continued to do) the thread really got bad. Had either of them stuck to discussing the technical topics at hand, it could have actually been a decent discussion.

That said, this is not really the forum to discuss them. If you want to discuss forum policy, take it up in the Forum Issues forum, or PM a mod.

 

[Hemipower]

I dont understand why everyone is going crazy over who has the fastest card out. The newest release will always be faster, its a proven fact. And do any you have two videocards from ati and nvidia to actually test who is faster? sites like http://www.nordichardware.com/Reviews/?page=8&skrivelse=469 are biased and full of crap. how does a 250 dollar 1800xl outpeform a 500 dollar 7800gtx? even the website which you guys are writing posts on has the x1900xtx as the fastest but the gtx does win in some games. feb 10 review
BF2 4xaa xtx 91.8,75,59.6,54.1
gtx 512 86.3,66.2,51.46.1
Fear 4xaa xtx 70,51,38,36
gtx 512 45,31,23,20
quake 4xaa xtx 87.9,68.2,52.1,47
gtx 512 93.1,71.5,53.8,48.1
So basically you are all fighting over what other people say and post on their websites. I read Maximum PC and anandtech and yes they might be biased but so is everyone else just like i am biased to some stuff as are all of you. finally this update of nividia will help everyone including the ati guys.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Idiot? Hello? anyone there in your brain?
I didn't run the bench, the website did.

Wow, nice maturity there.

I didnt say you ran the benches, but you counted them as "wins". When counting 1024x768 for anything other than useless, is just silly.

 

[yacoub]

Originally posted by: Matthias99
Posting benchmarks is not IMO in the realm of 'trolling', even if they are poor benchmarks in your opinion or the poster has come to what you think is the 'wrong' conclusion.

I see you're purposefully taking an overly simplistic view of things instead of recognizing (what looked more and more like) a troll for what it is. I can see you have have no interest in stepping back to look at the big picture consideration though. [(What's the best way to get a GPU thread off-track? Start an NVidia vs ATI benchmarks argument, especially by using obviously outdated gaming benchmarks and then defending them adamantly and frequently and calling names of those who question your trollbait. What did beggar's post do? Started a needless NVidia vs ATI benchmarks argument. How did he respond? Tons of off-topic replies drawing out more and more ire from folks.)]

Begger, are you stupid or just trolling? You're counting tests that don't utilize AA/AF at low resolution as wins? The XBit review is older and uses crappy games like Snowblind, WarHammer and Pacific Fighters.

(emphasis added)

Oddly enough, he's just asking the very same question everyone else (aside from you) likely wanted to ask when reading beggar's post - "wtf is he thinking posting that nonsense? is he trolling or actually that ignorant?"

The personal attack is completely unnecessary, and started the whole mess that took the thread off into left field.

I would agree Joker could have worded that post better but it's actually a valid question given beggar's post and the frustration many of us felt is voiced very honestly in joker's post. I would argue beggar's post is what started the whole tangent and would still say it comes down to either being intentional or he's just ignorant. Either way, he's responsible for this thread being so messy and that is proven simply by his inability to STFU at any point throughout it all. Again, is that childishness or being a troll? Either one would explain it and not much else would.