$480 vs $600 (Assuming rumors are true, I hope)
Performance increase not across the board. Food for more thought.
Performance increase not across the board. Food for more thought.
5150Joker
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TechReport review is old, go look at the newer ones like NordicHardware. The 512 GTX gets smoked quite often in AA/AF tests with high resolution. The 7900 GTX is going to need a major memory controller upgrade to keep up in AA/AF given it's memory bandwidth shortage vs the 512 GTX.
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5150Joker
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Yeah for calling out Rollo's b.s. as usual. I linked back to posts here at AT where he claimed the 512 GTX would be price competitive with the X1800. Of course HardOCP didn't want to see their favorite AEG marketing troll being exposed for the liar he is so they deleted the entire post and banned me.
HardOCP has a strong nVidia bias though, that's nothing new. That's why they tolerate Rollo's marketing b.s. and claim shimmering doesn't exist. It's also why they decided to editorialize during an X1900XTX review about the coming 32 pipe G71 monster card over a month ago and are now going to be proven wrong - HardOCP is just as bad if not worse than Driver Heaven. It was Kyle after all that tried to defend nVidia a few years back when they were cheating in 3dmark.
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Originally posted by: crazydingo
$480 vs $600 (Assuming rumors are true, I hope)
Performance increase not across the board. Food for more thought.
There is an XTX that costs 480... :Q
Anyway From nordic hardware:
Power (Total System Power)
Idle:
7800GTX512mb:182W
X1900XT:189W
Load:
7800GTX512mb:322W
X1900XT:345W
Sound
Quoting "Considering the sound level, this card I unfortunately far behind nVidia?s 7800GTX512 ? which even under full load is considerable more quiet than X1900, no matter what load."
Benchmarks:
BF2 16x12 4xAA 16xAF
7800GTX512mb:63
X1900XT:78
ATi is 24% faster
COD2 16x12 4xAA 8xAF
7800GTX512mb:32
X1900XT:33
ATi is 3% faster
FC 16x12 4xAA 8xAF
7800GTX512mb:92
X1900XT:104
ATi is 13% faster
HL2 16x12 4xAA 8xAF
7800GTX512mb:102
X1900XT:122
ATi is 19% faster
Doom3 16x12 4xAA 8xAF (This can be count as quake4)
7800GTX512mb:73
X1900XT:66
ATi is 10% slower
Colin Mcrae 16x12 4xAA 8xAF
7800GTX512mb:80
X1900XT:87
ATi is 8% faster
NFSU2 16x12 4xAA 8xAF
7800GTX512mb:64
X1900XT:72
ATi is 13% faster
Overall:10% faster across the board.
It should be expected as it is a refresh of the X1800XT. However, the GTX512mb wins in other OpenGL games like chronicle of ridick, IL2, pacific fighters and still wins in games like AOE III (this just could have been the X1800 series), dawn of war etc.
The 7900GTX should atleast be 10% faster due to 100mhz increase in core speed. Anyhow, when quakewars ET and prey comes out, it will favor NV cards as both games are based on the doom3 engine.
Its quite neck and neck, and ultimately, price will judge the winner this round.
edit - Latest review of the X1800XT/7800GTX512mb and X1900XTX. The 7800GTX 512mb is still competitive amongst ATis offerings.
Its good for us the consumers if Nvidia uses aggressive pricing, then ATI will have to lower their prices too.
I KNEW it. Wow I hadnt been paying attention but I knew Rollo was a Nvidia goon. Im so glad to see he is banned after flaming me for being unhappy that my video card came with defects (decoder broken.) I really couldnt stand him.
/collective sigh of relief
Sure you did.
As you can see, you did. Then you go on to claim the X1800XT's lowest price was $450, and more commonly $500. Which is also wrong, and spreading misinformation.
Because you cant seem to grasp it, here is your quote again;
Once again, if you're going to claim that, then you need to claim the same for the GTX.
No you didnt state 512MB. You just said GTX's. Which leaves it open to both. You just talked about the 512's in the same post. You need to be more clear on what you're talking about.
Whatever makes you feel better. I pointed out bias, and a flawed arguement, and you didnt like that.
Wrong still. The 8500 was faster in a lot of the benchmarks over the GF3. Especially when newer drivers came out. It wasnt until the Ti series that the GF3 overtook most of them.
Heh, again, you brought in the R520, and you were already talking about the GF3 and 8500 before I was. Nice try though.
Here you go again, spreading FUD. 99% of X1800XT's are not $500. Saying so its an out right lie.
I think you all forgot about SLI and quad SLI as the best. It doesn't matter what they're using to get that performance, dual core/die shrink" NVIDIA has functional multigpu to get RAW FRAMES .. Cost is not an issue for people who want top of the line anyway.
only cheapos or people who are willing to settle for less care at all of cost. These things are not that expensive to begin with. Common any guy with a 40k job can buy like 10 cards every year if they live healthy with little medical spendings ,, and less time at the bar buying drinks for the ladies..
only cheapos or people who are willing to settle for less care at all of cost. These things are not that expensive to begin with. Common any guy with a 40k job can buy like 10 cards every year if they live healthy with little medical spendings ,, and less time at the bar buying drinks for the ladies..
No, actually many adults would call it a foolish waste of money. They do this thing called 'cost-benefit analysis' which includes taking a realistic look at whether or not spending hundreds of dollars on hardware just to have a top-of-the-line computer is really worth it in the grand scheme of things and what other things could be better done with that money.
When you make a regular income and have a house, car(s), and family to take care of and budget for, it's unlikely one's going to be ignorant enough of pricing to think it's anywhere close to reasonable to spend $800-$1000 for GPUs.
Maybe if he's single and living with his parents and borrows their car and has no savings for the future, lol.
Also, 10x$400 (a low average price for a new GPU going by previous new card prices) = $4000. A $40k job, after taxes, is around $28k. If you're bringing home $28k/yr and you spend $4k on GPUs, you're insane. This again assumes you're not 18 and still living with your parents (no rent/mortgage, free food), drive a car that doesn't have a loan or lease, and are then able to save or spend everything you make.
Or, add in $10k for food and gas expenses, a couple grand for insurance, $12k for cheap rent somewhere not near a major city, and you've just spent that other $24k. Now you have 10 GPUs and no computer to put them in, no savings, no spending money, no clothes, no car payment/lease, no woman, etc.
You went off a tangent there.Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Originally posted by: crazydingo
$480 vs $600 (Assuming rumors are true, I hope)
Performance increase not across the board. Food for more thought.
There is an XTX that costs 480... :Q
Anyway From nordic hardware:
<snip>
You know that SLI/Crossfire wont get a boost in every game out there which was what I was saying.Where in the world did you get that number from? I made over 40k, and only paid in about 4k. My wife makes more than me, and paid in about the same. We got most of it back in just this Friday in our tax return.
Getting Lasik in two weeks.
How the hell did you only pay $8k in taxes on over $80k of income?Originally posted by: Ackmed
Where in the world did you get that number from? I made over 40k, and only paid in about 4k. My wife makes more than me, and paid in about the same. We got most of it back in just this Friday in our tax return.
Getting Lasik in two weeks.
Originally posted by: A5
How the hell did you only pay $8k in taxes on over $80k of income?Originally posted by: Ackmed
Where in the world did you get that number from? I made over 40k, and only paid in about 4k. My wife makes more than me, and paid in about the same. We got most of it back in just this Friday in our tax return.
Getting Lasik in two weeks.
If he paid $8k on $80k, that's actually quite a bit (unless he meant that's what he paid out over the year before his refund). It comes down to *taxable income*, not total income (i.e. after all deductions). $99k total income, $57k taxable income (non-working spouse, 3 kids, house, etc) = $5k tax payment. Paid $11k over the year, so got a $6k refund.
Originally posted by: Ackmed
Where in the world did you get that number from? I made over 40k, and only paid in about 4k. My wife makes more than me, and paid in about the same. We got most of it back in just this Friday in our tax return.
Getting Lasik in two weeks.
40K.. thats it?? I dont think you are a young man, why are you making entry level wages still? Most people get promoted at your age.
Do you not have your BA or something? What are your skills/abilities?
And your taxes seem a little low, what are you doing on your taxes...
That makes a lot more senseOriginally posted by: deadseasquirrel
Originally posted by: A5
How the hell did you only pay $8k in taxes on over $80k of income?Originally posted by: Ackmed
Where in the world did you get that number from? I made over 40k, and only paid in about 4k. My wife makes more than me, and paid in about the same. We got most of it back in just this Friday in our tax return.
Getting Lasik in two weeks.
If he paid $8k on $80k, that's actually quite a bit (unless he meant that's what he paid out over the year before his refund). It comes down to *taxable income*, not total income (i.e. after all deductions). $99k total income, $57k taxable income (non-working spouse, 3 kids, house, etc) = $5k tax payment. Paid $11k over the year, so got a $6k refund.
I'm just not used to having a whole lot of deductions Originally posted by: Crusader
Originally posted by: Ackmed
Where in the world did you get that number from? I made over 40k, and only paid in about 4k. My wife makes more than me, and paid in about the same. We got most of it back in just this Friday in our tax return.
Getting Lasik in two weeks.
40K.. thats it?? I dont think you are a young man, why are you making entry level wages still? Most people get promoted at your age.
Do you not have your BA or something? What are your skills/abilities?
And your taxes seem a little low, what are you doing on your taxes...
I said "over" 40k, not 40k. What that some sort of personal attack from you? Surely not. Good effort though. Keep it up, and I wont be responding to your posts. You seem like a re-reg'd poster, hmm.
You'll do well to keep in mind, money is not everything. I only work 4 days a week, same for my wife. I work Mon, Tues, Thurs, and Friday. She works Mon-Thurs. We do that, to spend time with our kids, and keep them out of day care as much as we can. My girl (7 now in school) never went to day care at all. My boy (2) goes just three days. Could we make more if we both worked 5 full days? Sure. But as I said, its not all about money. We have a few friends who work a lot more than us, and keep their kids in day care from about 7-6. Thats not what we wanted, so we made a decision long ago, not to do it. Thus, we both work 4 days a week. Not that your opinion of me matters at all.
My taxes are fine. Two kids, a house, and as mentioned already, it taxable income, not total income. There are lots of ways to get deductions. I also filed tax exempt for 4 weeks last year. I had to go out of state on buis for 4 weeks. Made a lot more than normal, and I knew they would take about a 3rd of my check if I didnt.
5150Joker
Diamond Member
Originally posted by: Crusader
Originally posted by: Ackmed
Where in the world did you get that number from? I made over 40k, and only paid in about 4k. My wife makes more than me, and paid in about the same. We got most of it back in just this Friday in our tax return.
Getting Lasik in two weeks.
40K.. thats it?? I dont think you are a young man, why are you making entry level wages still? Most people get promoted at your age.
Do you not have your BA or something? What are your skills/abilities?
And your taxes seem a little low, what are you doing on your taxes...
Why are you taking a swipe at his finances? I bet I'm around your age (assuming you're not some late 40s guy from the Midwest that likes bourbon and is banned from here) and make more money than you ever will yet I don't go around flaunting my finances or belittling others - well I just belittled you but you deserve it. You already admitted you don't even hold a masters level education, maybe you ought not to brag.
P.S. It's Sunday, shouldn't you be praying at the Temple of Rollo? Don't forget to wash your panties with Rollo's picture on them, they need to be cleaned at least once a week or else your God Rollo may not approve.
As much as I like to hear about your finances and family situations, please keep to the topic of this thread.
That sorta stuff belongs in OT.
That sorta stuff belongs in OT.
when i said 40 k i mean u get 40k total,, sry for the confusion.. Still, you guys are saying it's not possible to buy those cards by putting all these payments at one time.. Eventually you'll be able to pay it off,, whether it's gradually earning more,, or just cuz u've maxed out ur comp. U can keep a comp up to date each year for 500-700 assuming u get a top line to start.
So if the comp and house are only one's big investment. it isn't that bad at all.. And u can get women, without having to spend alot. And if u can do it quickly u will have her money to spend if ur "GOOD".
So if the comp and house are only one's big investment. it isn't that bad at all.. And u can get women, without having to spend alot. And if u can do it quickly u will have her money to spend if ur "GOOD".
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