NVIDIA preparing revised GTX 560 Ti with 448 cores

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

^ this... seriously wtf?

why cant they just call it the 565 or something.

Could it be because the GTX 465 got so much bad rep and was so unpopular (except the models that unlocked to GTX 470s, of course)? :hmm:

 

[Qbah]

Reminds me of the GTX465 (was a GTX480-level core cut down even more than a GTX470). But at least it had a different name and wasn't released as a GTX460

Oh well, more power = good. Let's hope folks buying a GTX560Ti will read the specs on it, before purchasing it.

 

[happy medium]

Makes perfect sense! "Let's cannibalize our own GTX 570, guys."

ANd make a gtx575 and 585, sounds good to me

 

[aka1nas]

It says in the article it will probably use more power than the GTX560.
Also, while 3-way SLI might be nice, less confusing naming would be more ideal.
One would assume that you can't SLI this GTX560Ti with other GTX560 Tis.

There's no reason to assume that. The GTX 260 192sp and core 216 variants could be SLI'ed together just fine. Unless they have overhauled SLI detection in the drivers since I jumped onto my 6870, the driver still mostly cares about the model string matching when deciding if it will allow you to enable SLI on a group of GPUs.

 

[toyota]

There's no reason to assume that. The GTX 260 192sp and core 216 variants could be SLI'ed together just fine. Unless they have overhauled SLI detection in the drivers since I jumped onto my 6870, the driver still mostly cares about the model string matching when deciding if it will allow you to enable SLI on a group of GPUs.

this 448sp gtx560ti is just cut down gtx570 and those cannot be used in SLI with the gtx560 ti. we are talking about completely different cores here.

 

[NA1NSXR]

ASS. I just bought a 570.

 

[Arachnotronic]

570 > 560 Ti.

 

[Qbah]

ANd make a gtx575 and 585, sounds good to me

How does introducing 3 new models where two would be speed bumps (and received a new name) and the third one would be a new chip config (and this one reused another model name) make even the slightest amount of sense? D:

 

[Skurge]

How does introducing 3 new models where two would be speed bumps (and received a new name) and the third one would be a new chip config (and this one reused another model name) make even the slightest amount of sense? D:

Even if they were to be released, they would have trouble competing against OC'd cards from MSI, ASUS and Gigabyte that are faster, quiter, cooler and still use less power than the reference design.

 

[3DVagabond]

It will help sell those O/C'd GTX-460's they call GTX-560's for $200.00 People are already confused about the "560 range". nVidia's not alone though in confusing the consumer. The 6770 and 6800 series has caused it's fair share of confusion too. 90% of the people out there aren't going to have a clue.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

ANd make a gtx575 and 585, sounds good to me

That definitely will not happen. All they could do is raise the clock speeds and voltage, and it would raise power consumption far too high (higher-than-GTX-480 high). Why? There's no other GPU core configuration they can use. They're already using the full GF110 core for the GTX 580, one with a single disabled GPU cluster for the GTX 570, and now two disabled GPU clusters for this supposed GTX "560 Ti" or GTX 565. And if all they do is raise clock speeds, they'd be competing against pre-overclocked cards which will probably be priced lower and have a better third-party heatsink solution.

 

[tviceman]

I hope Nvidia is gauging reader reaction and decides to name this card gtx565. But then again, when it comes to naming, both Nvidia and AMD decided to throw common sense out of the window.

 

[Lonyo]

That definitely will not happen. All they could do is raise the clock speeds and voltage, and it would raise power consumption far too high (higher-than-GTX-480 high). Why? There's no other GPU core configuration they can use. They're already using the full GF110 core for the GTX 580, one with a single disabled GPU cluster for the GTX 570, and now two disabled GPU clusters for this supposed GTX "560 Ti" or GTX 565. And if all they do is raise clock speeds, they'd be competing against pre-overclocked cards which will probably be priced lower and have a better third-party heatsink solution.

Not to mention they have nothing to compete against except themselves in general.
Releasing a higher clocked part at the end of life for current cards to compete against your own cards makes pretty much zero sense.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

Not to mention they have nothing to compete against except themselves in general.
Releasing a higher clocked part at the end of life for current cards to compete against your own cards makes pretty much zero sense.

This, too. Didn't think of that. The HD 6970 competes with the GTX 570, and the GTX 580's main purpose really is to serve as the fastest single GPU card. There's no purpose in releasing another faster card.

 

[lavaheadache]

This, too. Didn't think of that. The HD 6970 competes with the GTX 570, and the GTX 580's main purpose really is to serve as the fastest single GPU card. There's no purpose in releasing another faster card.

What's your beef with the GTX 580? Maybe I took your post the wrong way. The purpose of the 580 is to BE FERMI. If anything, there is less relevance to the 570 since it is only in existance due to being incapable as a 580. This holds true to any castrated part.

As far as there being no purpose to releasing a faster part... What are you talking about? Then why do we need a next gen? Apparently not to be faster.

If nVidia were to release a GTX 585 6 months ago I imagine you would see a ton in peoples sig's and rig's around here

 

[SirPauly]

I'm surprised it take this long to offer a potential product sku with 448 cores, similar to the GTX 470, but clocked higher. It will fit nice between a GTX 560 TI and GTX 570.

 

[Lonyo]

What's your beef with the GTX 580? Maybe I took your post the wrong way. The purpose of the 580 is to BE FERMI. If anything, there is less relevance to the 570 since it is only in existance due to being incapable as a 580. This holds true to any castrated part.

As far as there being no purpose to releasing a faster part... What are you talking about? Then why do we need a next gen? Apparently not to be faster.

If nVidia were to release a GTX 585 6 months ago I imagine you would see a ton in peoples sig's and rig's around here

6 months ago it might have made a tiny bit of sense, if it was a decent amount faster, but now it makes very little sense with 28nm right around the corner.

There's no point in releasing a faster part now based on current architectures on current processes because it achieves nothing other than a few % speed boost.

If NV releases a GTX585, they are competing with themselves (the GTX580) and their partners (GTX580 OCs). They aren't competing with AMD, since they are already ahead. They aren't competing with the next gen, since that will smash even a GTX585.
It would just be a card for the sake of a card, without doing anything. It wouldn't help with their partners, it wouldn't boost sales of current cards, it wouldn't put them ahead of AMD, it wouldn't give them a starting position to compete with next gen 28nm cards.

Sure, it would be a few % faster, but there's no reason whatsoever to release that card as an official spec card in the current market.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

What's your beef with the GTX 580? Maybe I took your post the wrong way. The purpose of the 580 is to BE FERMI. If anything, there is less relevance to the 570 since it is only in existance due to being incapable as a 580. This holds true to any castrated part.

As far as there being no purpose to releasing a faster part... What are you talking about? Then why do we need a next gen? Apparently not to be faster.

If nVidia were to release a GTX 585 6 months ago I imagine you would see a ton in peoples sig's and rig's around here

That it's a crappy card for the price, perhaps? Inefficient, loves to suck power, very expensive, etc. Your "castrated" part argument makes little sense, if any. It has no bearing on a product's price/performance, and the GTX 570 is easily the better card of the two because of its performance for the price, heat output, and power consumption.

The purpose of the GTX 580 from the beginning was not only to finally be able to bring a full GF100 core to the market but since NVIDIA knew AMD would release a card faster than the HD 5870 they needed to retain their single card crown. It's a high-margin product for NVIDIA to use as a marketing tool so fools can buy it; nothing more.

We need a next gen because it brings with it significantly higher performance at previous price points as well as lower noise, lower heat output, and lower power consumption. We also need it for so-called enthusiasts to give NVIDIA money so we can have our slightly slower but otherwise much better cards.

Sure, as soon as you get higher than the Radeon HD 6870 you lose price/performance, but diminishing points of return get HUGE when you look at the GTX 580.

 

[SirPauly]

You leave that to the discretion of AIB's to release faster GTX 580's, like the EVGA classified editions with a clocking of 855.

 

[Seero]

The way I see it is this. GTX560Ti/non Ti is GF114, GTX 580/570 is GF 110. Instead of keeping 2 designs, they simply wants to drop GF114 and produce only GF110 and sale those that doesn't make the gtx570 cut too. Instead of ditching GTX560, they recycle it to confuse user as GTX560(448) is an enhanced version of GTX560Ti instead of a cut down from GTX570.

I guess, if it still maintain the performance/electricity ratio as GTX560Ti, it can still be a good deal. Otherwise, it is IMO bait and switch. It is all too clear that they want to recycle the GTX560 prefix.

 

[SirPauly]

. It's a high-margin product for NVIDIA to use as a marketing tool so fools can buy it; nothing more.

Imho,

It's a higher margin part, and there is a halo effect but fools don't buy it, in a sweeping blanket view, but a choice for consumers that demand the very best, and don't mind paying a bit of a premium. They're not value choices and there are plenty of choices for the value mind-set. Single GPU performance and features are very important to many.

Not only are the chips used for GeForce, they're used for Quadro and Tesla -- also higher premiums and margins and just fools don't buy these as well.

 

[badb0y]

I see no point of this card. 28 nm is like 4 months away lol.

 

[s44]

This would make sense... as the 570SE. Also, it would be a nice chance for Nvidia to double the RAM -- though I doubt they'll do that since the 570 and 580 have less.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

Imho,

It's a higher margin part, and there is a halo effect but fools don't buy it, in a sweeping blanket view, morons that don't mind paying 40% more for 10-15% more performnance. They're mindless choices driven by need to have higher e-peen. Single GPU performance is less than 15% higher on the GTX 580, and even then it's not enough for extremely demanding games like Metro 2033 at max settings so it still makes no sense.

Not only are the chips used for GeForce, they're used for Quadro and Tesla -- also higher premiums and margins and just fools don't buy these as wells.

Also, micro-stutter is a problem mostly when using two mainstream or performance cards. The problem lessens when using two lower-tier enthusiast cards like the HD 6950.

Expensive Quadro and Tesla cards are just fine. They're being used for work, so its up to the enterprise to see if additional performance gains will make up for the higher upfront price.

I view "enthusiasts" buying GTX 580s and Core i7-990Xs instead of the products just below that give almost the same performance for a lot less in that negative way. Expensive cards like the Quadros make sense for enterprises, as their business depends on it.

 

[SirPauly]

The way I see it is this. GTX560Ti/non Ti is GF114, GTX 580/570 is GF 110. Instead of keeping 2 designs, they simply wants to drop GF114 and produce only GF110 and sale those that doesn't make the gtx570 cut too. Instead of ditching GTX560, they recycle it to confuse user as GTX560(448) is an enhanced version of GTX560Ti instead of a cut down from GTX570.

I guess, if it still maintain the performance/electricity ratio as GTX560Ti, it can still be a good deal. Otherwise, it is IMO bait and switch. It is all too clear that they want to recycle the GTX560 prefix.

I don't get worked up on the name but more-so the actual costs, feature set and performance to the consumer. I think the GF110 is coming to a close and have 448 core GF110's in inventory, that they can actually sell to the consumer. Why throw them away, when they can bring in revenue for the company and value to the consumer?

I also tend to think they're all based on the Fermi architecture, GF-114 or GF 110 and the major differentiation is the amount of cores. I think the naming of the GTX 560TI + is mainly aimed for it's potential price-point placement more than anything.