Nvidia, please make drivers that don't suck.

[Rent]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: Rent
Honestly, I've never had any problems with drivers renaming minor customizations.

You know what the best part about themes are? YOU CAN SAVE THEM. I've never had a problem uninstalling/reinstalling drivers and having my icons changed to defaults and I've used a lot of nVidia driver reversions.

And as far as ATIs drivers being better. What a laugh. ATI just slapped a half-decent looking front end on their drivers and people are calling them "AWESOME!!one!" nVidias drivers are still more functional and layed out better. They also don't weigh in at 20mb to download a complete suite :|

Bullsh!t. Spoken like someone who doesn't use ATI's drivers much. How are Nvidias "more funtional" and "better layed out". Pray tell all knowing one.

Edit:

I can't believe it! I'm so surprised!! You run an Nvidia card!

Yeah, I do run an nVidia card. And I've argued in numerous threads about the superiority of nVidias drivers.

When you go to advanced options with an ATI card, you're greeted by about 12 tabs over everything, just thrown in your face. Yay. So you have to rummage through a bunch of tabs to find what you want. nVidia drivers have 1 tab with a menu thats easy to navigate. Thats it.

Ok, how about you change some of your D3D settings? You like your monitor spazzing out? How about having a 2nd monitor hooked up? Everytime you change ANY advanced setting it starts fvcking with your 2nd monitor. And I won't go into having a 2nd display hooked up any further - nVidia kicks the living sh!t out of ATI in that arena.

nVidia also gives you a host of other options like refresh rate overrides, full screen video options, even a freaking tempature monitor on cards that support it.

Read HardOCPs review of the 56.64s and you might get a clue. Maybe you don't remember, but my nick used to be RADEON. I've played with just about every ATI card out there with the exception of the XTs cause I'm not spending $400 on a card that barely outperforms my 5900 while acting like a downs syndrome child when I try and tweak it.

I have other machines that I didn't list, mainly my heap of older parts that I give to my folks because they have crappy computers. The last one I built for them was a XP2000/Radeon 9600SE/blah blah. I even bought a 9800Pro about 4 months ago cause I was curious because of all the raving reviews I heard about it. Needless to say, it was returned within 24 hours.

 

[Platypus]

I didn't mean for this to turn into a debate over something as silly as brand fanboyism. This was just a vent on how silly the Nvidia drivers have become. I bought an ATi to replace my nvidia card simply because they make the best card right now.

 

[Rent]

I still find that debatable moreso on the grounds of having a multimonitor setup.

 

[Platypus]

Originally posted by: Rent
I still find that debatable moreso on the grounds of having a multimonitor setup.

I do run a multi monitor set up. My geforce 4 was dual DVI input, that is the only advantage that card had over this one.

The ATi card gives me control over my dual monitors that Nvidia just didn't. I love the way the ATi card handles it.

 

[imported_Mike]

When you go to advanced options with an ATI card, you're greeted by about 12 tabs over everything, just thrown in your face. Yay. So you have to rummage through a bunch of tabs to find what you want. nVidia drivers have 1 tab with a menu thats easy to navigate. Thats it.

This is a good point, they do get annoying.

Ok, how about you change some of your D3D settings? You like your monitor spazzing out? How about having a 2nd monitor hooked up? Everytime you change ANY advanced setting it startd fvcking with your 2nd monitor. And I won't go into having a 2nd display hooked up any further - nVidia kicks the living sh!t out of ATI in that arena.

OMFG...I am having horrible problems with my 2nd monitor with my ATI. When I go into advanced settings and set the switch between monitors with alt+f5...this is fine, except when I turn the computer off...oops those settings are gone & now have to be reset.

 

[Rent]

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation

Originally posted by: Rent
I still find that debatable moreso on the grounds of having a multimonitor setup.

I do run a multi monitor set up. My geforce 4 was dual DVI input, that is the only advantage that card had over this one.

So are you still running 2 monitors? I had a 9800Pro long enough to have it piss me off. Everytime I changed a 3d setting or started a game, my 2nd display would freak out. I couldn't stand it.

 

[Platypus]

Originally posted by: Rent

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation

Originally posted by: Rent
I still find that debatable moreso on the grounds of having a multimonitor setup.

I do run a multi monitor set up. My geforce 4 was dual DVI input, that is the only advantage that card had over this one.

So are you still running 2 monitors? I had a 9800Pro long enough to have it piss me off. Everytime I changed a 3d setting or started a game, my 2nd display would freak out. I couldn't stand it.

My Nvidia did the same thing with the second monitor freak out. This card didn't do it in the only game I tested it with, UT2k4.

 

[edmundoab]

They will eventually,
but it is going to take a few patches to fix many bugs

 

[Rent]

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation

Originally posted by: Rent

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation

Originally posted by: Rent
I still find that debatable moreso on the grounds of having a multimonitor setup.

I do run a multi monitor set up. My geforce 4 was dual DVI input, that is the only advantage that card had over this one.

So are you still running 2 monitors? I had a 9800Pro long enough to have it piss me off. Everytime I changed a 3d setting or started a game, my 2nd display would freak out. I couldn't stand it.

My Nvidia did the same thing with the second monitor freak out. This card didn't do it in the only game I tested it with, UT2k4.

Did you use nView? My Ti4200 and my 5900 would/will shift background images, but neither card had near the amount of erratic behavior that the 9800 gave me.

 

[Insane3D]

When you go to advanced options with an ATI card, you're greeted by about 12 tabs over everything, just thrown in your face. Yay. So you have to rummage through a bunch of tabs to find what you want. nVidia drivers have 1 tab with a menu thats easy to navigate. Thats it.

So you have trouble with critical thinking? Damn ATI for offering so much control over the drivers! :|

Ok, how about you change some of your D3D settings? You like your monitor spazzing out?

That's kinda funny. For someone who is SO KNOWLEDGEABLE about ATI drivers, I'm surprised you didn't know that that monitor no longer flashes off for a second when you change D3D setting with the last three Catalyst releases. God knows it was such a serious problem too. It was HORRIBLE having my monitor flick on and off for a second like when it always has WITH ANY CARD when youchange resolutions. It was downright traumatic!

How about having a 2nd monitor hooked up? Everytime you change ANY advanced setting it startd fvcking with your 2nd monitor. And I won't go into having a 2nd display hooked up any further - nVidia kicks the living sh!t out of ATI in that arena.

Sounds like your opinion. ATI has always had the edge in dual monitor setups, and it took Nvidia quite awhile just to start making dual monitors an option on their cards. Between the Catalyst drivers and Hydravision, it's pretty much universally accepted that ATI has the upper hand here. Oh wait...but you say no...gotcha.

nVidia also gives you a host of other options like refresh rate overrides, full screen video options, even a freaking tempature monitor on cards that support it.

ATI has everyone of those options....except temperature monitoring, which is only available on the 9800XT. I'm fine without it as I really don't give a flying fvck what temperature my GPU is as long as it's working stable. Do Nvidia drivers have a VPU recover option?

Read HardOCPs review of the 56.64s and you might get a clue.

Get a clue from a HardOCP review?!? I would have a better chance reading a Tom's Hardware review.

have other machines that I didn't list, mainly my heap of older parts that I give to my folks because they have crappy computers. The last one I built for them was a XP2000/Radeon 9600SE/blah blah. I even bought a 9800Pro about 4 months ago cause I was curious because of all the raving reviews I heard about it. Needless to say, it was returned within 24 hours.

The fact that you returned a 9800Pro in 24 hours shows just how much you are anti-ATI...period. Sounds like you had an idea in your head before you ever tried it, and made sure your experience fit into that idea so you could re-affirm your belief in a superior Nvidia. I guess the fact that a ATI card is almost universally suggested now for a high end rig means nothing because you proclaim they suck.

Couple questions, do you have an actual Nvidiot membership card and pay dues? Is there a newsletter?

<-- for you.

 

[Adul]

Originally posted by: Rent

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation

Originally posted by: Rent
I still find that debatable moreso on the grounds of having a multimonitor setup.

I do run a multi monitor set up. My geforce 4 was dual DVI input, that is the only advantage that card had over this one.

So are you still running 2 monitors? I had a 9800Pro long enough to have it piss me off. Everytime I changed a 3d setting or started a game, my 2nd display would freak out. I couldn't stand it.

I didnt not have the issue with either ati or nvidia. Maybe your comp doesnt like you

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: Adul

Originally posted by: Rent

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation

Originally posted by: Rent
I still find that debatable moreso on the grounds of having a multimonitor setup.

I do run a multi monitor set up. My geforce 4 was dual DVI input, that is the only advantage that card had over this one.

So are you still running 2 monitors? I had a 9800Pro long enough to have it piss me off. Everytime I changed a 3d setting or started a game, my 2nd display would freak out. I couldn't stand it.

I didnt not have the issue with either ati or nvidia. Maybe your comp doesnt like you

NO!! IT's ATI!!!11oneonetwo

 

[Adul]

this seems so appropiate

OMG!!! OH NO! AIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!! NOOOOOO!O!OO!O!!!!

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: Adul
this seems so appropiate

OMG!!! OH NO! AIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!! NOOOOOO!O!OO!O!!!!

Yeah...


/changes D3D setting with 3.xx Catalysts...

*screen flick off*

* 1 second passes *

*screen flick on*

OMG!!! OH NO! AIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!! NOOOOOO!O!OO!O!!!!

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

What's that tweak utility for ATi cards called? Got it installed at home, means you have all options put under a nice menu, with also overclocking options build in.

 

[Rent]

Name calling. "I can't make a good point, so you're retarded! HA!"

No, FXs don't need "VPU recovery" because the cards don't crash games for no reason. Its not an issue on nVidia cards (unless you overclock a ton, and in that case its an issue on any card).

Its blatantly obvious that nVidia has killed your first born child and screwed your wife or something. You asked how it was layed out better, I told you. Hell, another member even said it.

As for the multimonitor stuff, you don't have the slightest clue. Hydravision is crap, you have to download it seperately, and it doesn't even support the 9x00 line of cards.

I've had ATI cards and nVidia cards and nVidia still pumps out the best drivers, no questions asked.

 

[wicktron]

I grabbed a piece of chicken, and was mad that the skin wasnt crispy.

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: Rent
Name calling. "I can't make a good point, so you're retarded! HA!"

No, FXs don't need "VPU recovery" because the cards don't crash games for no reason. Its not an issue on nVidia cards (unless you overclock a ton, and in that case its an issue on any card).

Its blatantly obvious that nVidia has killed your first born child and screwed your wife or something. You asked how it was layed out better, I told you. Hell, another member even said it.

As for the multimonitor stuff, you don't have the slightest clue. Hydravision is crap, you have to download it seperately, and it doesn't even support the 9x00 line of cards.

I've had ATI cards and nVidia cards and nVidia still pumps out the best drivers, no questions asked.

Hmm...name calling because I can't make a good point? Please point out where I called you a name? The closest I got was asking if you had an Nvidiot membership card. As for points, I think I did that well enough.

"VPU Recovery" is not just for crashing games, it is for people who might try to overclock too much. I love how you push a lack of a feature on Nvidia drivers as a plus because "they never crash". I forgot that all games come out bug free and never crash regardless of card used. It really suck to be able to save any open work or files and shut down normally as opposed to a hard reboot. You're so obviously right though..there has never been a documented crash with ANY Nvidia card.

As for Nvidia, I don't mind them at all. If they made better cards I might give them a try, but right now, they don't...plain and simple. I have several over the years...few GF2's, GF3's and GF4's. Post GF4, ATI has been putting out better cards...period. Your argument about "better layed out" basically is saying ATI has too many options, and you think Nvidias is better. That's called opinion...not fact.

But you say Nvidia drivers are better, but most everyone else disagrees with you, we should take your word as the final authority? I made valid arguments to each of your points, and that is all you can come up with?

 

[Rent]

I never said FXs were perfect.

And yeah, nvidiot is name calling, regardless of what you think. Despite my attempts to explain driver layout to you, you've refused to even comprehend anything I've said about it. Thanks for telling me what I said, that ATI has too many options. Jeeze. You missed to point completely.

It really must suck to spend $400 on a video card and be scared of it crashing your system. And its even scarier if you're dumb enough to leave any potentially vital "work" open when you start running other intensive applications. Don't forget all the ATI people that had issues with Call of Duty when it came out and how ATI had to scramble to put out a fix. Its even happening again with Pandora Tomorrow and Far Cry. Jeeze, that sucks.

I even posted up an article that you refused to read being that HardOCP must post rubbish

- not many sites even do driver reviews. :Q

Who said you should take my word as the final authority? Something wrong with not liking ATI and their half assed drivers? I've made equally valid points, none of which you have acknowledged because appearantly, ATI is god.

 

[Insane3D]

Rent -

:beer:

 

[Rent]

:beer: for everyone

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Nvidia vs ATi

The Drivers

Nvidia has always proclaimed their drivers are the industry's best, and up until the 9800Pro I'd have to agree. Although Nvidia never really came out and said "our drivers run loops around ATi's", they obviously found a weakness in their competitors operations, and attacked.

Now days, beta releases are getting less frequent. Optimizations are not really a key factor anymore and when they are a key factor, it is usually because the enthusiast community exposes them as cheats. Nevertheless, this will all probably change when the next chips are out, but for the moment atleast, drivers seem to be a pretty boring field to worry about.

However this is a good thing, it means that, atleast, people are not starting riots and such because driver quality is lacking. ATi had some teething troubles when the 9700Pro was in its prime, for example D3D stuttering, but it seems, with the 9800Pro, the ATi driver team are finally starting to make up with the enthusiasts. In today's latest release, the Catalyst 3.6 set, the quality is at its best yet, and although they are not perfect quite yet, the gap between them and the Detonators is decreasing with every release. As far as I'm concerned, the drivers are not an overly valid issue when determining which to buy, unless of course a known bug is present for a game you play, but that could go with either way.

 

[Rent]

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
Nvidia vs ATi

The Drivers

Nvidia has always proclaimed their drivers are the industry's best, and up until the 9800Pro I'd have to agree. Although Nvidia never really came out and said "our drivers run loops around ATi's", they obviously found a weakness in their competitors operations, and attacked.

Now days, beta releases are getting less frequent. Optimizations are not really a key factor anymore and when they are a key factor, it is usually because the enthusiast community exposes them as cheats. Nevertheless, this will all probably change when the next chips are out, but for the moment atleast, drivers seem to be a pretty boring field to worry about.

However this is a good thing, it means that, atleast, people are not starting riots and such because driver quality is lacking. ATi had some teething troubles when the 9700Pro was in its prime, for example D3D stuttering, but it seems, with the 9800Pro, the ATi driver team are finally starting to make up with the enthusiasts. In today's latest release, the Catalyst 3.6 set, the quality is at its best yet, and although they are not perfect quite yet, the gap between them and the Detonators is decreasing with every release. As far as I'm concerned, the drivers are not an overly valid issue when determining which to buy, unless of course a known bug is present for a game you play, but that could go with either way.

That article is older than my grandmother.

 

[SSP]

I love you guys. /tear

This thread remind me of the countless hours I spent on GH reading 3DFX vs nVidia vs ATI flame threads.

 

[vshah]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: Rent
Honestly, I've never had any problems with drivers renaming minor customizations.

You know what the best part about themes are? YOU CAN SAVE THEM. I've never had a problem uninstalling/reinstalling drivers and having my icons changed to defaults and I've used a lot of nVidia driver reversions.

And as far as ATIs drivers being better. What a laugh. ATI just slapped a half-decent looking front end on their drivers and people are calling them "AWESOME!!one!" nVidias drivers are still more functional and layed out better. They also don't weigh in at 20mb to download a complete suite :|

Bullsh!t. Spoken like someone who doesn't use ATI's drivers much. How are Nvidias "more funtional" and "better layed out". Pray tell all knowing one.

Edit:

I can't believe it! I'm so surprised!! You run an Nvidia card!

can i place a bet on an ATI in your rig? :-D

personally, i have a 9700pro and an fx5200....i use the nvidia cause i like the drivers more, especially dual monitor support...
and i've never had a problem with resetting customizations....even if i drag icons to the second monitor, and switch from dual to single displays and back again...my icons stay in place.
(i don't have time for games much otherwise i'd sure as hell be running the 9700p)

-Vivan