Nvidia GTX 690 = 2 x Nvidia GTX 680!!

[BallaTheFeared]

You're free to have your opinion, I surely will not take offense.

 

[Silverforce11]

You can deny microstutter all you will..it's your choice.
But since both NVIDIA and AMD acknowlegdes that it is real and since reveral reviews reiterate this....you are not making sense.

I am not denying microstutter, I know some people notice it, in fact one of my nephews can't stand it while another cannot even notice it (like me).

I am pointing out exactly what that article is stating, due to the way drivers handle the output, their method of using frame-time and FRAPS is irrelevant and does not represent reality. Even their own gameplay experience with the 6870s in some games, fraps say it should be a MS mess, but it felt smooth to them.

Thus, their entire approach to frame time is pointless. They need to get a ultra high speed camera and then show us. Otherwise its a waste of time. Kapiche?

Edit: It's just stupid everytime someone wants to talk bout MS they refer to that techreport article, when the authors admit their method is flawed. Can we please not go there again, ffs.

 

[Jaydip]

Guys can we concentrate our discussion about technology here?MS is a issue for both SLI/CF users.Lets push the hardware reviers to an objective analysis in this regard.

 

[Subyman]

I thought the dual GPU cards were normally priced under the cost of buying two of the on-board GPUs separately. The 690 is totally pointless unless you want 2x690 since 2x680 is the same price as one 690 and faster.

I don't see these selling well at all, but the dual GPUs never do so oh well.

 

[Jaydip]

This was one of the best reads on Micro stuttering:

http://www.rage3d.com/reviews/video/ati4870x2cf/index.php?p=2

Thx for the link :thumbsup:

 

[Lonbjerg]

I thought the dual GPU cards were normally priced under the cost of buying two of the on-board GPUs separately. The 690 is totally pointless unless you want 2x690 since 2x680 is the same price as one 690 and faster.

I don't see these selling well at all, but the dual GPUs never do so oh well.

Didn't you read about the card?
Metal is more expensive than plastic..come on...it's not rocket science.

 

[Ferzerp]

Why I come to ATF: Tech discussion

What I get at ATF: Fanboyism, anti-fanboyism, uh-huh/nuh-uh arguments and discussion about everything except the tech.



Seriously guys, what happened to talking about the technology and its merits or downsides. Now half the threads are whining about price, whining about a company, or blindly promoting how good a company is.

 

[Subyman]

Why I come to ATF: Tech discussion

What I get at ATF: Fanboyism, anti-fanboyism, uh-huh/nuh-uh arguments and discussion about everything except the tech.



Seriously guys, what happened to talking about the technology and its merits or downsides. Now half the threads are whining about price, whining about a company, or blindly promoting how good a company is.

Well, seeing that value is a huge deal in the tech world, I don't see how we can have an honest discussion without considering the performance per price aspect. There's not much tech to talk about since we don't have any independent benchmarks yet. I mean all we know is that its two 680 GPUs strapped to a PCB, not much to discuss.

 

[Lonbjerg]

Well, seeing that value is a huge deal in the tech world, I don't see how we can have an honest discussion without considering the performance per price aspect. There's not much tech to talk about since we don't have any independent benchmarks yet. I mean all we know is that its two 680 GPUs strapped to a PCB, not much to discuss.

Really?
That was what you got from reading about the card?

 

[Subyman]

Really?
That was what you got from reading about the card?

I guess you missed the smiley?

The interesting thing to me is the boost clock. I know my 680 is always at or above the stock boost in games. If you look at the 690, the base clock is 91mhz lower than the 680 but the boost is only 49mhz lower. So the difference between 2x680 and a 690 may be moot depending on how the card overboosts itself.

 

[Silverforce11]

Really?
That was what you got from reading about the card?

All i got: 2 gpu strapped on a card with a fancy cooler..

and going to be priced at $$CRAZY.

 

[Lonbjerg]

LOL

A "fancy" cooler...this is hillarious!!!

Unsubing this thread...to much FUD.

 

[battletoad]

I have 680 SLI. It stutters like crazy whether using one card or both. Vsync is busted on the 680 card, and GPU boost causes very jarring stuttering issues. Nothing "micro" about this stuttering.

Here's a month old 10 page thread at Nvidias own forums where Nvidia has remained completely silent on this issue. Before you spend $500-$1000 on the 600 series, you should read this:

http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=226227&st=0

 

[Silverforce11]

Hey if you're going to get all philosophical.. what did you get out of reading about the card??

 

[AE-Ruffy]

so... this will finally run crysis?

 

[blastingcap]

I have 680 SLI. It stutters like crazy whether using one card or both. Vsync is busted on the 680 card, and GPU boost causes very jarring stuttering issues. Nothing "micro" about this stuttering.

Here's a month old 10 page thread at Nvidias own forums where Nvidia has remained completely silent on this issue. Before you spend $500-$1000 on the 600 series, you should read this:

http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=226227&st=0

Good to know. Along with power/heat/noise, driver, and bigger PSU issues, microstutter why I try to avoid multi-GPU configurations if possible. On the bright side, it sounds like part of the 680 stuttering problem might be improvable with a software update.

 

[Subyman]

I have 680 SLI. It stutters like crazy whether using one card or both. Vsync is busted on the 680 card, and GPU boost causes very jarring stuttering issues. Nothing "micro" about this stuttering.

Here's a month old 10 page thread at Nvidias own forums where Nvidia has remained completely silent on this issue. Before you spend $500-$1000 on the 600 series, you should read this:

http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=226227&st=0

I had some stuttering with my 680 when I first installed it. I was able to fix the issue by turning off adaptive Vsync. I now have a 120hz monitor and run without vsync and haven't noticed the stuttering anymore. Hopefully, a fix comes through driver updates soon.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

Yeah and it's clocked so high it's pretty much unfeasible for AMD to beat it with a 7990, unless they do some crazy binning and bring it out clocked considerably higher than a stock 7970.

AMD still has better multi-GPU scaling than NVIDIA, at least when it comes to two GPUs.

 

[imaheadcase]

ye__s, s___li is _____ t__h___e bo__m__b.

sorry my quick reply was a slow read but I microstuttered a bit when I wrote it.

Did you get stuck in the past, because it does not exist at all anymore.

 

[Jaydip]

AMD still has better multi-GPU scaling than NVIDIA, at least when it comes to two GPUs.

Scaling can be improved by drivers as u are well aware of.Fermi scaled quite well so Kepler should follow suit.

 

[lavaheadache]

Did you get stuck in the past, because it does not exist at all anymore.

Um, ok. wrong.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Didn't you read about the card?
Metal is more expensive than plastic..come on...it's not rocket science.

Does the metal make it faster than two GTX680's that are clocked 91MHz higher? I thought you were all about performance.

Their last dual GPU flagship launched at $699, the top single GPU was $499. Do you think there is $300 in metal in that heatsink shroud?

Don't get me wrong, these will very likely sell at this price, it is a good move by Nvidia from a business standpoint. But, the reality is, from a PC gamer / consumer standpoint, unless your motherboard is limited regarding a second PCIE slot, this card really doesn't make much sense vs. two GTX680's.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

So long as Nvidia doesn't stop trying to correct MS like AMD I don't think it's a big issue if they only get 80-85% scaling.

590 was more like 570 SLI without with OC potentail, 570 SLI was around $700. Comparing the 590 to the 690 seems to disreguard this fact. The 690 will be much closer performance wise to the $1000 SLI setup than the 590 was to the $1000 SLI setup of it's time.

 

[SlowSpyder]

590 was more like 570 SLI without with OC potentail, 570 SLI was around $700. Comparing the 590 to the 690 seems to disreguard this fact. The 690 will be much closer performance wise to the $1000 SLI setup than the 590 was to the $1000 SLI setup of it's time.

All this is true. But it'll still be slower than a GTX680 sli set up for the same price. My point is that it's price has nothing to do with a metal fan shroud.

I don't have a problem with the price. Too low (assuming it can overclock a bit) and they shoot themselves in the foot regarding users who would buy two GTX680's for SLI. Too high and this card doesn't sell, why bother with it vs. GTX680 SLI. I think $100 less would be the 'right' spot for it with those factors in mind. But, I understand the $1k price, it'll sell and Nvidia's board partners make more money... makes sense.

 

[JM Popaleetus]

I came in this thread to ask whether or not these dual-GPU cards suffer from the same issues as SLI/CF (driver issues, microstuttering, etc.).

Just from reading the last page, my guess is yes.