NVIDIA, Epic add DX11 features to Unreal Engine 3

[sticks435]

I dunno if this is a good thing or a bad thing. Basically Epic is now in bed with Nvidia, and is integrating Physix and Apex and Dx11 Nvidia tessellation into the engine itself.

http://www.firingsquad.com/news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=23353



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[paperfist]

At first I was thinking Epic is returning to PC gaming. Then as I read it they make it sound like this is useful for consoles as they refer to cross platform.

 

[notty22]

This is going to give a boost to potential physX supported games. Checked out the list of UE3 games and its big.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Unreal_Engine_games#Unreal_Engine_3

2011 Batman: Arkham City Rocksteady Studios Eidos Interactive
2011 Bulletstorm People Can Fly Electronic Arts
2011 DC Universe Online Sony Online Austin Sony Online Entertainment
2011 Dungeon Defenders[29] Trendy Entertainment Trendy Entertainment
2011 Gears of War 3 Epic Games Microsoft Game Studios
2011 Hunted: The Demon's Forge InXile Entertainment Bethesda Softworks 2011 Mass Effect 3[41] BioWare
2011 MechWarrior Smith & Tinker, Piranha Games Inc.
TBA 2011 Mortal Kombat NetherRealm Studios Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment
2011 Silent Hill: Downpour Vatra Games Konami
2011 TERA Bluehole Studio NHN, En Masse Entertainment
2011 The Agency Sony Online Entertainment Seattle Sony Online Entertainment
2011 Red Orchestra 2: Heroes of Stalingrad Tripwire Interactive Tripwire Interactive/1C Company
2011 TNA iMPACT! 2011 SouthPeak Games SouthPeak Games
2012 BioShock Infinite Irrational Games 2K Games

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

Basically Epic is now in bed with Nvidia

My memory might be off, but wasn't even UT a TWIWMTBP title?

 

[TechBoyJK]

I dunno if this is a good thing or a bad thing. Basically Epic is now in bed with Nvidia, and is integrating Physix and Apex and Dx11 Nvidia tessellation into the engine itself.

http://www.firingsquad.com/news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=23353

nVidia is doing something similar with CryTek, hence the delay in adding d11 features to the game on release.

 

[Genx87]

I dunno if this is a good thing or a bad thing. Basically Epic is now in bed with Nvidia, and is integrating Physix and Apex and Dx11 Nvidia tessellation into the engine itself.

http://www.firingsquad.com/news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=23353

If you consider adding one of the pillars of DX11(tesselation) and their physics API "in bed".

 

[sticks435]

If you consider adding one of the pillars of DX11(tesselation) and their physics API "in bed".

Yea, but everybody and his mother knows that Nvidia hardware runs tessellation better, so even though it may be a pillar of Dx11, it means UE3 will always run better on Nvidia when it's used. Also, this is probably just the beginning.

 

[Skurge]

LOL, UE3 is a full out console engine. If its going to have Physx or tessellation, its just going to be added fluff like all the other games. I don't see this as anything significant.

Just look at the list of games notty listed. Most of them are multiplaform, that means physx won't do anything special. I mean GOW3 and Mortal Kombat are console exclusives.

 

[Genx87]

Yea, but everybody and his mother knows that Nvidia hardware runs tessellation better, so even though it may be a pillar of Dx11, it means UE3 will always run better on Nvidia when it's used. Also, this is probably just the beginning.

Well god forbid if the software utilizes the hardware to its maximum potential. We dont want that now do we?

 

[Lonbjerg]

At first I was thinking Epic is returning to PC gaming. Then as I read it they make it sound like this is useful for consoles as they refer to cross platform.

Tesselation dosn't run on consoles...neither does GPU physX, so you would be mistaken.

 

[sticks435]

Well god forbid if the software utilizes the hardware to its maximum potential. We dont want that now do we?

So you wouldn't mind if you bought a shiny new AMD card, only to find out that dx11 performance sucks in say Batman Arkham 3, because it's a UE3 game and only runs well on Nvidia? Yea, I thought you would.

 

[sticks435]

Tesselation dosn't run on consoles...neither does GPU physX, so you would be mistaken.

Possibly they are planning on using UE3 in the next gen consoles still? I figure those would have dx11 in them.

 

[Skurge]

Adding to what I said, I don't see this adding much as Tim Sweeney has already been working on UE4 and that should really use DX11 and not just tack on some features like they are doing now.

 

[Lonbjerg]

Adding to what I said, I don't see this adding much as Tim Sweeney has already been working on UE4 and that should really use DX11 and not just tack on some features like they are doing now.

Not this BS again.

You cannot "tack" DX10 onto DX9.
You cannot "tack" DX11 onto DX10.

This myth (tacking on stuff...) really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really needs to die.


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[Skurge]

Not this BS again.

You cannot "tack" DX10 onto DX9.
You cannot "tack" DX11 onto DX10.

This myth (tacking on stuff...) really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really needs to die.

Thank you for that obnoxious post. Do you know what a figure of speech is? I know English isn't your first language, so go look it up so you don't end looking like a fool again.

Do you have anything to add to the thread topic or are you just meeting your daily trolling quota?


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[AyashiKaibutsu]

Yea, but everybody and his mother knows that Nvidia hardware runs tessellation better, so even though it may be a pillar of Dx11, it means UE3 will always run better on Nvidia when it's used. Also, this is probably just the beginning.

So you're saying they should cripple their games on nVidia cards because AMDs current cards can't do it. Presumably future AMD cards will catch up to nVidia. Physx I can understand being wary of, but tessalation is pretty standard now. Crippling tessalation is a shallow play just to make AMD look good.

 

[akugami]

Is this software PhysX or hardware accelerated PhysX? Article is not clear.

 

[Genx87]

So you wouldn't mind if you bought a shiny new AMD card, only to find out that dx11 performance sucks in say Batman Arkham 3, because it's a UE3 game and only runs well on Nvidia? Yea, I thought you would.

Turn off tesselation if it sucks so bad. Or dont buy an AMD card and send them a msg they need to up their tesselation performance compared to the competition.

 

[sticks435]

Is this software PhysX or hardware accelerated PhysX? Article is not clear.

Hardware, since they are working with Nvidia.

 

[Genx87]

Hardware, since they are working with Nvidia.

All Physx works on hardware. Either CPU or Nvidia GPU.

 

[Udgnim]

hasn't UE3 always had Physx support?

 

[Lonbjerg]

Thank you for that obnoxious post. Do you know what a figure of speech is? I know English isn't your first language, so go look it up so you don't end looking like a fool again.

Do you have anything to add to the thread topic or are you just meeting your daily trolling quota?

I said what I had to say, that you post was false and a myth.
Make all the Ad Hominem you like to...dosn't alter the facts that you posted FUD.

This topic has been debated before and the "tacked on"-myth debunked to death.

Let it die :thumbsdown:

 

[Lonbjerg]

hasn't UE3 always had Physx support?

Yup, it even had PPU support.
The new thing woul be APEX
(As used in EVE - Online eg.)

 

[Skurge]

I said what I had to say, that you post was false and a myth.
Make all the Ad Hominem you like to...dosn't alter the facts that you posted FUD.

This topic has been debated before and the "tacked on"-myth debunked to death.

Let it die :thumbsdown:

Really? Explain what I was talking about, what I meant and how it was wrong. This should be fun.

If you don't understand what a figure of speech is and you call it "FUD" ,whatever the hell that has to do with what I said, I have no idea, then I'm sorry that you have such a limited understanding of the language.

I thought I was on your ignore list? What are you doing quoting my post anyway?

 

[akugami]

Hardware, since they are working with Nvidia.

Even with the software based API (meaning it's CPU and not GPU) they'd still have to license it from nVidia. It would also make sense for nVidia to help Epic integrate PhysX into their game engine since the Unreal series of game engines are so widely used. Again, article is not clear and Google turns up nothing that would clear the matter up.