Nvidia confident that GT300 wins over 5870

[Kakkoii]

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/15535/1/

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/...orm_the_radeon_hd5870/


*Awaits Cult of Saint Charlie followers to make baseless claims against this rumor*

 

[DaveSimmons]

If nv prices it at $600 again and it's only a little faster than the $300 ATI card that won't matter

*Awaits Cult of Saint Charlie followers to make baseless claims against this rumor*

Since this rumor is itself baseless (unconfirmed anonymous sources without a shred of evidence) any comments against it are equally well supported.

It would be nice to see nvidia competing again after a year and a half in second place in price/performance. Competition keeps both vendors honest, and my last 5 cards before the 4870 were all nvidia.

 

[Kakkoii]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

*Awaits Cult of Saint Charlie followers to make baseless claims against this rumor*

Since this rumor is itself baseless (unconfirmed anonymous sources without a shred of evidence) any comments against it are equally well supported.

That's the point, it's pointless. You can't fight fire with fire. Yet they use said fire as if it's water. And thus Cult of Saint Charlie followers .

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
If nv prices it at $600 again and it's only a little faster than the $300 ATI card that won't matter

*Awaits Cult of Saint Charlie followers to make baseless claims against this rumor*

Since this rumor is itself baseless (unconfirmed anonymous sources without a shred of evidence) any comments against it are equally well supported.

It would be nice to see nvidia competing again after a year and a half in second place in price/performance. Competition keeps both vendors honest, and my last 5 cards before the 4870 were all nvidia.

There wasnt competition?

 

[LOUISSSSS]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
If nv prices it at $600 again and it's only a little faster than the $300 ATI card that won't matter

*Awaits Cult of Saint Charlie followers to make baseless claims against this rumor*

Since this rumor is itself baseless (unconfirmed anonymous sources without a shred of evidence) any comments against it are equally well supported.

It would be nice to see nvidia competing again after a year and a half in second place in price/performance. Competition keeps both vendors honest, and my last 5 cards before the 4870 were all nvidia.

There wasnt competition?

there was, just that ATI won it in the price/performance category. and i have a feeling nvidia is going to lose again for the next 1.5 years

 

[alcoholbob]

Oh I year for the ATI 9700 days when the cards were cheap and nvidia was getting pounded.

 

[WelshBloke]

Originally posted by: Astrallite
Oh I year for the ATI 9700 days when the cards were cheap and nvidia was getting pounded.

*tap tap* Cards have never been as cheap and as powerful as now.

 

[SolMiester]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
If nv prices it at $600 again and it's only a little faster than the $300 ATI card that won't matter

*Awaits Cult of Saint Charlie followers to make baseless claims against this rumor*

Since this rumor is itself baseless (unconfirmed anonymous sources without a shred of evidence) any comments against it are equally well supported.

It would be nice to see nvidia competing again after a year and a half in second place in price/performance. Competition keeps both vendors honest, and my last 5 cards before the 4870 were all nvidia.

There wasnt competition?

there was, just that ATI won it in the price/performance category. and i have a feeling nvidia is going to lose again for the next 1.5 years

Well, there is price\performance....and then there is just....performance..and to the best of my knowledge, that has been predominately of late......nvidia?!

 

[WelshBloke]

Originally posted by: Kakkoii
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*Awaits Cult of Saint Charlie followers to make baseless claims against this rumor*

If it wasnt for people who get worked up about charlie, arguing and bitching about his 'stories' and constantly reposting and flaming, he would probably have shut up shop long ago.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: WelshBloke

Originally posted by: Kakkoii
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*Awaits Cult of Saint Charlie followers to make baseless claims against this rumor*

If it wasnt for people who get worked up about charlie, arguing and bitching about his 'stories' and constantly reposting and flaming, he would probably have shut up shop long ago.

Totally agree. Demerjian's world is fed by negativity. Unfortunately, there is plenty to go around, else his fuel would have dried up long ago.

 

[Barfo]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Nvidia takes the performance crown yet again, but I would really like them to be more competitive in the price/performance arena.

 

[bryanW1995]

I can't believe you guys would dare to criticize charlie. Every round he is right about SOMETHING, it's like he has a crystal ball or ouija board helping him out.

 

[nemesismk2]

Originally posted by: Kakkoii
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/15535/1/

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/...orm_the_radeon_hd5870/


*Awaits Cult of Saint Charlie followers to make baseless claims against this rumor*

What about the 5870 x2?

 

[Lonyo]

Since GT300 has its GX2 brother they should not fear much against Radeon 5870 X2 whenever that comes out, as if Nvidia wins a single chip battle, they can win the dual one as well.

Even though that will probably be true, it's not a given.
Comparing the HD4870 X2 to the GTX295, the HD4870X2 is two HD4870's, while the GTX295 is not 2xGTX280's (or 285's, or w/e).
The GTX295 still beats the HD4870X2 (IIRC), but it isn't 2xtop end chips, unlike the ATI card, so it would be possible for the HD5870 X2 to beat the GT300 X2 by virtue of being top end vs mid-top end, although it's still not going to happen.
The point is that winning the single chip battle doesn't win them the dual chip battle necessarily, since it isn't always 2xtop single vs 2xtop single in dual card battles.

NV beating ATI in pure performance owuld be no surprise whatsoever to me and I expect many others as well, but I would expect the ATI chip to be close in performance, but likely quite a lot smaller in terms of the chip area, and thus cheaper to produce.

 

[dflynchimp]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
If nv prices it at $600 again and it's only a little faster than the $300 ATI card that won't matter

*Awaits Cult of Saint Charlie followers to make baseless claims against this rumor*

Since this rumor is itself baseless (unconfirmed anonymous sources without a shred of evidence) any comments against it are equally well supported.

It would be nice to see nvidia competing again after a year and a half in second place in price/performance. Competition keeps both vendors honest, and my last 5 cards before the 4870 were all nvidia.

The saddest thing is that's exactly what Nvidia reps are counting on. There's no proof 300 series will beat 5870 but as long as they get the quote out there there will be hopeful fanbois willing to forgo jumping on the 5870 ship early and wait for the 300 launch

 

[v8envy]

As a forced rabid nvidia fanboy (I run mostly desktop Linux, so ATI is out of the question) this is excellent news if true. Like most of you I'm hoping that the GT300 performs very close to the 58XX so the price war continues...

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: dflynchimp

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
If nv prices it at $600 again and it's only a little faster than the $300 ATI card that won't matter

*Awaits Cult of Saint Charlie followers to make baseless claims against this rumor*

Since this rumor is itself baseless (unconfirmed anonymous sources without a shred of evidence) any comments against it are equally well supported.

It would be nice to see nvidia competing again after a year and a half in second place in price/performance. Competition keeps both vendors honest, and my last 5 cards before the 4870 were all nvidia.

The saddest thing is that's exactly what Nvidia reps are counting on. There's no proof 300 series will beat 5870 but as long as they get the quote out there there will be hopeful fanbois willing to forgo jumping on the 5870 ship early and wait for the 300 launch

nvidia doesn't need charlie to make people believe that. All people need to look at is a history book and they'll assume that nvidia will be tops again.

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
I can't believe you guys would dare to criticize charlie. Every round he is right about SOMETHING

Throw enough shit on the wall and something will stick.

 

[happy medium]

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Since GT300 has its GX2 brother they should not fear much against Radeon 5870 X2 whenever that comes out, as if Nvidia wins a single chip battle, they can win the dual one as well.

Even though that will probably be true, it's not a given.
Comparing the HD4870 X2 to the GTX295, the HD4870X2 is two HD4870's, while the GTX295 is not 2xGTX280's (or 285's, or w/e).
The GTX295 still beats the HD4870X2 (IIRC), but it isn't 2xtop end chips, unlike the ATI card, so it would be possible for the HD5870 X2 to beat the GT300 X2 by virtue of being top end vs mid-top end, although it's still not going to happen.
The point is that winning the single chip battle doesn't win them the dual chip battle necessarily, since it isn't always 2xtop single vs 2xtop single in dual card battles.

NV beating ATI in pure performance owuld be no surprise whatsoever to me and I expect many others as well, but I would expect the ATI chip to be close in performance, but likely quite a lot smaller in terms of the chip area, and thus cheaper to produce.

The gtx295 is 2, gtx275's which is on par with a gtx280.

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: Zap

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
I can't believe you guys would dare to criticize charlie. Every round he is right about SOMETHING

Throw enough shit on the wall and something will stick.

especially when it's that nasty gooey shit that charlie likes to play with.

edit: @ happymedium, iirc, the gtx 295 uses some characteristics of gtx 260 and some of gtx 280. It is certainly very CLOSE to 280, but in the highly intense graphical situations that would require this card (crysis on very high, 25x16 with many games) wouldn't 2xgtx280 perform better? god, I shudder to do this, but at someone thinks that gtx 280 is faster than gtx 275: http://www.tomshardware.com/re...phics-card,2404-7.html

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: Zap

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
I can't believe you guys would dare to criticize charlie. Every round he is right about SOMETHING

Throw enough shit on the wall and something will stick.

especially when it's that nasty gooey shit that charlie likes to play with.

edit: @ happymedium, iirc, the gtx 295 uses some characteristics of gtx 260 and some of gtx 280. It is certainly very CLOSE to 280, but in the highly intense graphical situations that would require this card (crysis on very high, 25x16 with many games) wouldn't 2xgtx280 perform better? god, I shudder to do this, but at someone thinks that gtx 280 is faster than gtx 275: http://www.tomshardware.com/re...phics-card,2404-7.html

The 280 is faster than the 275, but the 275 makes up some ground by having a higher clock speed because it is shrunk.

The 285 is just a shrunken 280.

The 275 is a cut-down 280, if you notice the RAM amounts.

295 = 2X275

 

[crisium]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: Zap

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
I can't believe you guys would dare to criticize charlie. Every round he is right about SOMETHING

Throw enough shit on the wall and something will stick.

especially when it's that nasty gooey shit that charlie likes to play with.

edit: @ happymedium, iirc, the gtx 295 uses some characteristics of gtx 260 and some of gtx 280. It is certainly very CLOSE to 280, but in the highly intense graphical situations that would require this card (crysis on very high, 25x16 with many games) wouldn't 2xgtx280 perform better? god, I shudder to do this, but at someone thinks that gtx 280 is faster than gtx 275: http://www.tomshardware.com/re...phics-card,2404-7.html

The 280 is faster than the 275, but the 275 makes up some ground by having a higher clock speed because it is shrunk.

The 285 is just a shrunken 280.

The 275 is a cut-down 280, if you notice the RAM amounts.

295 = 2X275

Say what you want about theory, but the GTX 275 is equal to, if not better than the GTX 280 most of the time. Tom's own tests prove this:

http://www.tomshardware.com/ch...compare,1451.html?prod[2669]=on&prod[2665]=on

God knows why their Hierarchy Chart lies. I guess he didn't want to give the 4890/GTX 275 their own spot, but wanted to say that the GTX 280 was faster than the 260. But the 275 is faster than the 260 as well but is in the same spot... so basically they just stopped caring and decided no one would buy a GTX 280 at this point anyway since it's discontinued so they might as well put it higher because crack makes them feel so good.

 

[happy medium]

The gtx295 is clocked lower then the gtx275 if that makes a big difference?

 

[videogames101]

Originally posted by: SolMiester

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
If nv prices it at $600 again and it's only a little faster than the $300 ATI card that won't matter

*Awaits Cult of Saint Charlie followers to make baseless claims against this rumor*

Since this rumor is itself baseless (unconfirmed anonymous sources without a shred of evidence) any comments against it are equally well supported.

It would be nice to see nvidia competing again after a year and a half in second place in price/performance. Competition keeps both vendors honest, and my last 5 cards before the 4870 were all nvidia.

There wasnt competition?

there was, just that ATI won it in the price/performance category. and i have a feeling nvidia is going to lose again for the next 1.5 years

Well, there is price\performance....and then there is just....performance..and to the best of my knowledge, that has been predominately of late......nvidia?!

You can't ignore price, no matter how much you want to. If I can get two 4870s for cheaper than a GTX 295, who really has the performance crown? How many people spend more than $400 on video cards?

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: videogames101

You can't ignore price, no matter how much you want to. If I can get two 4870s for cheaper than a GTX 295, who really has the performance crown? How many people spend more than $400 on video cards?

Talk about moving the goal posts....