Discussion Nvidia Blackwell in Q1-2025

[ToTTenTranz]

Let's take a victory lap. Steam Hardware survey shows that no one is buying Radeons. Blackwell appears all over the chart. What a massive surprise.

I know people like to cope about it but gamers will eat Nvidia's feces and they will enjoy it. There's simply no stopping it.

Blackwell surpassing RDNA4 was expected regardless of reviews and price/performance differences, as there's always a lot of inertia when changing IHVs and OEMs (just look at how long it took AMD to overtake Intel in the DIY market despite the clearly superior Ryzen platforms).
However it could also be that Steam Hardware Survey has a problem with identifying Radeon GPUs in general.

 

[utahraptor]

So after using my loaner 5060ti for a few days while my 5090 is being repaired, like wow. Its so much more stable. No crashes minimizing vmware horizon client for work. No random black screens when turning HDR on or off. Like it just works. I don't know if the 5090 drivers are bad or my gigabyte card is just that bad, but I could live with the PNY 5060ti. Almost not looking forward to getting the 5090 back. Like ya my graphics are worse in marvel rivals, but the fps is the same since I'm running low settings now.

 

[igor_kavinski]

PNY 5060ti

Apparently, PNY creates the reference Founder Edition cards for Nvidia. So it's the closest "recommended by Jensen" thing you can get, after the FE card

 

[utahraptor]

I would kind of be interested to know if any other fellow 5090 users are just living their best life or if they have random constant issues they are willing to share. I mean I would feel better and worse if everyone else was without issues.

 

[jpiniero]

So after using my loaner 5060ti for a few days while my 5090 is being repaired, like wow. Its so much more stable. No crashes minimizing vmware horizon client for work. No random black screens when turning HDR on or off. Like it just works. I don't know if the 5090 drivers are bad or my gigabyte card is just that bad, but I could live with the PNY 5060ti. Almost not looking forward to getting the 5090 back. Like ya my graphics are worse in marvel rivals, but the fps is the same since I'm running low settings now.

Power Supply issue?

 

[Heartbreaker]

However it could also be that Steam Hardware Survey has a problem with identifying Radeon GPUs in general.

That's really looks like cope.

 

[bba_tcg]

That's really looks like cope.

Maybe. But I agree with it.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Maybe. But I agree with it.

Based on what?

Plenty 5000/6000/7000 series AMD cards in the survey now, so the identifiers are working fine.

But if you checked in any of those during their first 6 months or so after release, they wouldn't have been.

AMD sells less, so it takes more time for them to cross the .15% threshold to appear on the survey.

 

[bba_tcg]

Based on what?

Plenty 5000/6000/7000 series AMD cards in the survey now, so the identifiers are working fine.

But if you checked in any of those during their first release year, they wouldn't have been.

AMD sells less, so it takes more time for them to cross the .15% threshold to appear on the survey.

Based on interaction with RX 9070 XT users and having looked at the Steam statistics. And again, it may be cope. I certainly don't think Steam has an agenda. I would come closer to thinking AMD has an issue with the way it presents its data.

But owning both the 5070 Ti and the 9070 XT, I can tell you the 9070 XT is fairly competitive.

 

[gdansk]

But owning both the 5070 Ti and the 9070 XT, I can tell you the 9070 XT is fairly competitive.

Why would that matter? Especially when in practice AMD sabotages itself by not keeping it priced competitively in retail.

 

[bba_tcg]

Why would that matter? Especially when in practice AMD sabotages itself by not keeping it priced competitively in retail.

Why would what matter? It's a competitive card that has sold a lot of units. I would guess some of them are being used on the Steam platform. AMD didn't have a reference card this generation (and I do believe that was a mistake).

 

[igor_kavinski]

AMD didn't have a reference card this generation

They got burned by the RDNA3 vapor chamber issue last time so probably decided to eliminate that as a possible headache at launch of a new generation. Headlines like that just give the Nvidia crowd more reason to think of AMD as an amateur trying to catch up.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Based on interaction with RX 9070 XT users and having looked at the Steam statistics. And again, it may be cope.

That's essentially nothing but your feelings, so definitely cope.

In a few months, the 9070 XT will be on the charts, just like all the previous releases.

 

[bba_tcg]

That's essentially nothing but your feelings, so definitely cope.

In a few months, the 9070 XT will be on the charts, just like all the previous releases.

Lol. Pretty sure I've accounted for that possibility several times in the posts above, but thanks for your diagnosis, Dr. 👌 Though I really have no reason to cope since idgaf about either company and am pretty content with my purchases and their performance.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Lol. Pretty sure I've accounted for that possibility several times in the posts above, but thanks for your diagnosis, Dr. 👌 Though I really have no reason to cope since idgaf about either company and am pretty content with my purchases and their performance.

You are basically indicating that some users you interacted with liked their cards ... Therefore Steam is broken.

It's a complete logical disconnect. You offered zero tangible reasons.

Meanwhile there is a completely simple explanation that has been the same for a decade+.

AMD cards sell less, even when AMD fans insist they are great, and cards that sell less take more time to rise up a sales chart.

Steam charts have essentially always mirrored the other results like from JPR.

Here are the latest JPR results:
Q1’25 PC graphics add-in board shipments increased 8.5% from last quarter due to Nvidia’s Blackwell ramping up

But I'm sure JPR can't count AMD GPUs either, for "reasons".

Even when AMD releases a great card, it's not enough to turn this around in a quarter or two. NVidia has a history of outselling AMD nearly 10:1, so they will have a supply chain prepared for that, so even when AMD has a great card, they can't supply the channel like NVidia can, so it's not going to completely reversing the standings.

Q2 will probably look better for AMD, so maybe they can get back to 15%. But that still small fraction of NVidia sales which will take multiple times longer to register on Steam survey, for logical, mathematical reasons.

 

[bba_tcg]

You are basically indicating that some users you interacted with liked their cards ... Therefore Steam is broken.

It's a complete logical disconnect. You offered zero tangible reasons.

Meanwhile there is a completely simple explanation that has been the same for a decade+.

AMD cards sell less, even when AMD fans insist they are great, and cards that sell less take more time to rise up a sales chart.

Steam charts have essentially always mirrored the other results like from JPR.

Here are the latest JPR results:
Q1’25 PC graphics add-in board shipments increased 8.5% from last quarter due to Nvidia’s Blackwell ramping up

But I'm sure JPR can't count AMD GPUs either, for "reasons".

Even when AMD releases a great card, it's not enough to turn this around in a quarter or two. NVidia has a history of outselling AMD nearly 10:1, so they will have a supply chain prepared for that, so even when AMD has a great card, they can't supply the channel like NVidia can, so it's not going to completely reversing the standings.

Q2 will probably look better for AMD, so maybe they can get back to 15%. But that still small fraction of NVidia sales which will take multiple times longer to register on Steam survey, for logical, mathematical reasons.

Actually that's not what I said, but whatever. Lol.And, again, idgaf whether AMD or nVidia do well or not.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Actually that's not what I said, but whatever.

Your only counter evidence was "Based on interaction with RX 9070 XT users "

Which is not any kind of evidence at all.

Lol.And, again, idgaf whether AMD or nVidia do well or not.

Generally people that believe things counter to available evidence usually do GAF.

 

[bba_tcg]

Your only counter evidence was "Based on interaction with RX 9070 XT users "

Which is not any kind of evidence at all.



Generally people that believe things counter to available evidence usually do GAF.

As stated, I do not give a fvck about a great number of things, including your opinion as to what happens "generally".

 

[Heartbreaker]

As stated, I do not give a fvck about a great number of things, including your opinion as to what happens "generally".

Yes, you continue to demonstrate how much you don't care, by continuing to argue about it.

 

[bba_tcg]

Yes, you continue to demonstrate how much you don't care, by continuing to argue about it.

Lol.

 

[Thunder 57]

You are basically indicating that some users you interacted with liked their cards ... Therefore Steam is broken.

It's a complete logical disconnect. You offered zero tangible reasons.

Meanwhile there is a completely simple explanation that has been the same for a decade+.

AMD cards sell less, even when AMD fans insist they are great, and cards that sell less take more time to rise up a sales chart.

Steam charts have essentially always mirrored the other results like from JPR.

Here are the latest JPR results:
Q1’25 PC graphics add-in board shipments increased 8.5% from last quarter due to Nvidia’s Blackwell ramping up

But I'm sure JPR can't count AMD GPUs either, for "reasons".

Even when AMD releases a great card, it's not enough to turn this around in a quarter or two. NVidia has a history of outselling AMD nearly 10:1, so they will have a supply chain prepared for that, so even when AMD has a great card, they can't supply the channel like NVidia can, so it's not going to completely reversing the standings.

Q2 will probably look better for AMD, so maybe they can get back to 15%. But that still small fraction of NVidia sales which will take multiple times longer to register on Steam survey, for logical, mathematical reasons.

If more people would buy those great cards there would be more competition. Remember the 7970?

 

[Bryo4321]

I would kind of be interested to know if any other fellow 5090 users are just living their best life or if they have random constant issues they are willing to share. I mean I would feel better and worse if everyone else was without issues.

I’ve had mine for a few weeks. Currently on the latest driver release. I can’t say I’ve really had any issues. I’ve tried messing with hdr toggles (I have 2 capable 4K high refresh screens) and I haven’t experienced crashes or black screens.

 

[Heartbreaker]

If more people would buy those great cards there would be more competition. Remember the 7970?

More people would if they were at MSRP, and even at higher prices, I expect AMD dGPU market share next quarter will rebound from the last quarter JPR results.

I'm not arguing against the AMD 9000 series. They are great cards. If I was in the market now they would be high on my list. AMD now have all the pieces in place, which they didn't when I bought my 4070.

I'm just shooting down the nonsense claims that the Steam Survey is somehow broken and under-reporting AMD.

Something that regularly surfaces on these forums, based essentially on peoples feelings, not evidence.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

That's really looks like cope.

In the post you quoted I started by saying it was expected for the Blackwell cards to surpass RDNA4, so this take was IMHO unnecessarily childish and trollish.

I'm just shooting down the nonsense claims that the Steam Survey is somehow broken and under-reporting AMD.

Something that regularly surfaces on these forums, based essentially on peoples feelings, not evidence.

The Steam Hardware Survey having problems identifying and counting Radeon GPUs is a subject that's been addressed by AMD officials for a long time. There's hard data pointing to it in the survey itself, such as one of AMD's models being called "AMD Radeon Graphics" and another called "AMD Radeon(TM) Graphics", both summing up to 4.3%. There are also reports where Radeon GPUs somehow get identified as a secondary GPU and Steam only detects the iGPU instead. Not to mention the "Other" entry with ~9% of total share and 13% share of DX12 capable GPUs (it detects a GPU capable of DX12 instructions but it doesn't detect the name, which is super weird).


If your problem is proving this is just "people's feelings", the good news about this is nowadays you don't even need to do any long research about this. You can just ask an agent to do it for you for free:

‎Gemini - Steam Survey AMD Radeon GPU Issues

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Conclusion: The Extent of the Problem and Its Significance​

The Steam Hardware Survey undeniably suffers from significant and multifaceted problems in accurately identifying AMD Radeon GPUs. These issues range from specific technical detection failures, such as the pervasive iGPU/dGPU conflict that leads to generic naming or complete oversight of discrete cards, to broader methodological limitations, including persistent sampling biases, historical and recurring internet cafe overcounting, a lack of distinction between mobile and desktop GPUs, and the impact of reporting thresholds.

The consistent absence of new RDNA 4 GPUs from the main survey charts, the widespread prevalence of generic "Radeon Graphics" entries, and the stark discrepancies between the survey's figures and external market data from retail sales and tech enthusiast polls strongly demonstrate that the survey's accuracy for specific AMD GPUs is fundamentally flawed.

Using Grok's deepersearch (won't do direct share because it's not anonymous):

Survey Note: Detailed Analysis of Steam Hardware Survey and AMD Radeon GPU Identification

The Steam Hardware Survey, conducted monthly by Valve, is a critical resource for understanding the hardware landscape of Steam’s vast user base, which influences game development and hardware market trends. As of August 6, 2025, recent analyses and community discussions suggest potential challenges in accurately identifying AMD Radeon GPUs, which could impact the reliability of the survey data for these components. This note provides a comprehensive overview, drawing from various sources to explore the issue, its implications, and the broader context.

(...)

Recent community discussions, notably on platforms like VGChartz, highlight concerns about the survey’s ability to correctly identify specific AMD Radeon GPU models. A notable issue is the generic labeling of some AMD GPUs as "AMD Radeon (TM) Graphics" instead of their actual model names, such as the 7600S. This misidentification appears to affect mid-range RDNA3 cards, with the exception of high-end models like the 7900XTX, which are correctly represented. For instance, a post from March 2025 on VGChartz VGChartz Forum noted that a game crash report identified a GPU as "AMD Radeon (TM) Graphics," suggesting this issue extends to the Steam survey, potentially causing other RDNA3 cards to be missing from the data.

(...)


Historical data shows that the Steam Hardware Survey has faced accuracy challenges before. For example, an article from Tom’s Hardware dated May 5, 2018, reported Valve fixing a survey issue that caused extreme changes in CPU and GPU tracking over seven months, rendering the data unreliable for broad trends. While this predates recent concerns, it underscores that the survey’s methodology has had vulnerabilities, potentially relevant to current AMD GPU identification issues.

Copilot Chat (GPT4o)

Yes, there are ongoing issues with the Steam Hardware Survey misidentifying or failing to properly detect AMD Radeon GPUs, particularly newer models like the RX 7900 XTX and RX 7800 XT.
Here are some key points from user reports:

• Incorrect GPU Detection: Users have reported that Steam sometimes identifies their AMD GPU generically as "AMD Radeon Graphics" and incorrectly lists only 512MB of VRAM, even when the actual GPU has much more (e.g., 16GB on the RX 7800 XT) [1].
• Integrated Graphics Confusion: A common cause appears to be the system defaulting to the integrated GPU (iGPU) on AMD CPUs, especially if it's not disabled in the BIOS. Steam then reports the iGPU instead of the discrete GPU (dGPU) [1].
• Partial Fixes: Disabling the iGPU in BIOS has helped some users get Steam to recognize the correct GPU model, but even then, details like VRAM and bus type may still be listed as "not detected" [1].
• Survey Inaccuracy Trends: There's a noticeable uptick in survey results showing GPUs with only 512MB VRAM, which likely reflects this detection issue rather than actual hardware trends[1].

If you're experiencing this issue, you might try:

1. Disabling the iGPU in BIOS.
2. Ensuring the latest AMD drivers are installed.
3. Checking which GPU is set as the primary display adapter in Windows.

Would you like help checking your system setup or BIOS settings to ensure your discrete GPU is being prioritized?

References
[1] Steam Hardware Survey doesn't see 7900xtx : r/Amd - Reddit

 

[Heartbreaker]

The Steam Hardware Survey having problems identifying and counting Radeon GPUs is a subject that's been addressed by AMD officials for a long time.

That's just Scott Herkelman suggesting that Internet Cafes are over-reported. Not any kind of real evidence.

There's hard data pointing to it in the survey itself, such as one of AMD's models being called "AMD Radeon Graphics" and another called "AMD Radeon(TM) Graphics", both summing up to 4.3%.

Which are iGPUs. It's pretty obvious that they detect the actual cards, as cards because they are also in the survey. The only reason 9000 series isn't there yet, is because it's too soon.

Using Grok's deepersearch (won't do direct share because it's not anonymous):

Copilot Chat (GPT4o)

Seriously? You are resorting to AI slop?


And again, if you want to deny Steam results you also have to deny Industry analysts results like JPR that back it up: