Discussion Nvidia Blackwell in Q1-2025

[jpiniero]

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5050-announced-with-8gb-gddr6-249-price-launching-mid-to-late-july

And here's the desktop 5050. Comes with GDDR6. MSRP is $249.

 

[igor_kavinski]

MSRP is $249.

$49 higher than it should be. Maybe worth it if it's passively cooled. But don't think it will sell at MSRP.

 

[Ranulf]

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5050-announced-with-8gb-gddr6-249-price-launching-mid-to-late-july

And here's the desktop 5050. Comes with GDDR6. MSRP is $249.

The mind boggles. Well, at least the reviewers/creators will have something to talk about. Does it beat a 4060 being the most interesting question. Faster memory but less cuda cores.

 

[reb0rn]

Should be on par or a bit faster as its 130w and 4060 is 110w

 

[SPBHM]

the specs look a little to low for it to beat the 4060

 

[MrTeal]

It's problem isn't even the 4060. The 5060 is in stock at its $300 MSRP all over the place, and it has twice the memory bandwidth and 50% more shaders than this thing for only 20% more money.
This should be a $200 card, $250 is laughable.

 

[jpiniero]

It's problem isn't even the 4060. The 5060 is in stock at its $300 MSRP all over the place, and it has twice the memory bandwidth and 50% more shaders than this thing for only 20% more money.
This should be a $200 card, $250 is laughable.

Margins probally not great even at $250. Have to be on a cheap node for $200.

 

[MrTeal]

Margins probally not great even at $250. Have to be on a cheap node for $200.

4N is hardly bleeding edge at this point. I don't see a size listed, but GB206 was slightly smaller than AD106 with the same number of cores so you'd have to assume that a 2560 core GB207 is going to be smaller than a 3072 core 159mm² AD107. If margins at $250 are bad for this card they must be terrible on the 5060 even being a cut card.

I'll make sure to keep Nvidia in my thoughts tonight and say a quick prayer as I think about the horrors of their gross margin dipping below 75% though.

 

[jpiniero]

4N is hardly bleeding edge at this point.

The cost of TSMC nodes is only going up, lol.

 

[blckgrffn]

It's problem isn't even the 4060. The 5060 is in stock at its $300 MSRP all over the place, and it has twice the memory bandwidth and 50% more shaders than this thing for only 20% more money.
This should be a $200 card, $250 is laughable.

So it uses more power than a 4060, has less memory than a 3060, let's hope its good at something otherwise what's the point? I get that it helps to upsell to the 5060 but... its just sorta gross. Make the 3060 12GB $199 MSRP on cheap sand and be done with it if a "cheaper" gaming card is needed for the lineup.

I'll be the guy to say it should have been cut - maybe even to 6GB - and smaller so that it could hit the same TDP target as a 3050 6GB (70W) and been as cheap as possible. These cards are more about utility and some 3D power in some circumstances than being viable gaming gpus. They can go into SFF prebuilt, etc. Again and as always, IMO. Then it has a purpose in the lineup.

 

[jpiniero]

So it uses more power than a 4060, has less memory than a 3060, let's hope its good at something otherwise what's the point? I get that it helps to upsell to the 5060 but... its just sorta gross. Make the 3060 12GB $199 MSRP on cheap sand and be done with it.

OEMs want new products.

 

[Ranulf]

OEMs want new products.

Just call it the 3060 Super 12.

 

[blckgrffn]

Just call it the 3060 Super 12.

Yeah, whatever. Pretty sure the marketing department can figure something out.

 

[jpiniero]

They could do something with Ampere, yeah. But I think GA107 is the only chip still in production from Ampere.

 

[jpiniero]

Hmm... kopite said there would be a "surprise" from the 5090DD launch... might it be launched worldwide?

 

[Io Magnesso]

To be honest, the TBP of 5050 130W is hopeless...
Can't it work without auxiliary power?

 

[SolidQ]

Some tests from NV. Loks like meh for 250$
ofc 4xMFG

 

[Heartbreaker]

You're right to highlight this issue — it’s a valid concern.


If your primary GPU fails or there's a firmware/driver issue that causes a black screen on boot, and your system doesn’t have an integrated GPU (iGPU) — like many AMD Zen 3 CPUs or Intel F-series chips — then you're effectively locked out of troubleshooting unless you have a secondary GPU available.

This isn't NVidia exclusive. I would never buy a CPU without an iGPU, because you can always have a GPU failure and be without a backup while you resolve it.

When I was deciding which budget CPU to get, I went with a i5-12400 because of it's integrated GPU. A 5600 might have been a slightly better gaming GPU, but the lack of iGPU was a non starter, and the 5600G had worse PCIe and cache as tradeoff to get the iGPU.

I'm glad AMD started adding a minimal GPU to all their CPUs now.

 

[Golgatha]

This isn't NVidia exclusive. I would never buy a CPU without an iGPU, because you can always have a GPU failure and be without a backup while you resolve it.

When I was deciding which budget CPU to get, I went with a i5-12400 because of it's integrated GPU. A 5600 might have been a slightly better gaming GPU, but the lack of iGPU was a non starter, and the 5600G had worse PCIe and cache as tradeoff to get the iGPU.

I'm glad AMD started adding a minimal GPU to all their CPUs now.

This is why I keep a passively cooled GT 1030 around. I also have passively cooled PCI and AGP cards for troubleshooting older systems. To each their own I suppose.

 

[jpiniero]

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5050-could-arrive-sooner-in-china-than-worldwide

Speculation that the desktop 5050 might be released in China first (and soon)

 

[jpiniero]

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5070-super-reportedly-features-6400-cuda-cores-and-18gb-memory

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-also-planning-geforce-rtx-5070-ti-super-with-24gb-gddr7-memory

Rumors of the 5070 and 5070 Ti Super specs. Have to say I thought they might not do a 5070 Ti Super, but looks like they are.

Not much of a difference other than the 50% more ram and the TDP is also a bit higher. We'll see if they can do anything about higher clocks.

 

[basix]

Some rumors say 1149$ and 849$ for 5080S and 5070TiS respectively. Not really attractive with that increased price tag.

 

[Ranulf]

5060ti gets an update from Gigabyte with new variants, including ones with 16x pci-e! Well, full physical length but not data 16x. The longer connector will help with stability for the bigger cards.

https://videocardz.com/newz/gigabyte-refreshes-rtx-5060-ti-eagle-and-windforce-series-with-max-variants-featuring-full-sized-pcie-interface

 

[Golgatha]

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5070-super-reportedly-features-6400-cuda-cores-and-18gb-memory

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-also-planning-geforce-rtx-5070-ti-super-with-24gb-gddr7-memory

Rumors of the 5070 and 5070 Ti Super specs. Have to say I thought they might not do a 5070 Ti Super, but looks like they are.

Not much of a difference other than the 50% more ram and the TDP is also a bit higher. We'll see if they can do anything about higher clocks.

A 5070 Super with 18GB of VRAM is finally a long-term usable card. A 5070 Ti Super and 5080 Super are largely unnecessary IMO; especially so if there is a price increase.

 

[blckgrffn]

A 5070 Super with 18GB of VRAM is finally a long-term usable card. A 5070 Ti Super and 5080 Super are largely unnecessary IMO; especially so if there is a price increase.

Exactly. Without an increase in CUDA cores, a large clock speed bump (unlikely) the extra ram is "nice" but really... meh at this point given that the GPU architecture itself is a bit of a dud. The power usage points all creeping up sucks in its own way, but isn't surprising.

The 5070 Super - at the right price - is a pretty interesting card.