News NVIDIA and Intel to Develop AI Infrastructure and Personal Computing Products

[fastandfurious6]

WINDOWS is such a massive clusterfork that even chatgpt10 plugged into AI gigafarms can't make it efficient enough for ARM 😂😂😂😂


reversely that's what makes apple Mcpu shine: tight and deep integration with OS level..... new MACOS only expects one cpu, M.... gives many benefits

 

[jpiniero]

WoA began when Intel was dominant

Well that was because MS/OEMs were jealous of Apple without realizing the reason people buy Macs is to get away from Windows.

 

[Heartbreaker]

I'd wait a bit more before saying that WoA is dead etc. New chips are coming and things might get more interesting.

Also whatever Intel is cooking with NVIDIA GPUs is not going to be ready in the near future.

Yeah, I don't expect this to change anything WRT WoA. MS will just keep plugging away at it. Eventually it will probably grab a meaningful share. It would help if MS encouraged more companies than just making it a Qualcomm show.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Well that was because MS/OEMs were jealous of Apple without realizing the reason people buy Macs is to get away from Windows.

Then the find themselves stuck with Liquid Glass...🤮

 

[adroc_thurston]

Well that was because MS/OEMs were jealous of Apple without realizing the reason people buy Macs is to get away from Windows.

Apple was x86 when WoA began.

 

[soresu]

Well that was because MS/OEMs were jealous of Apple without realizing the reason people buy Macs is to get away from Windows.

Depends on who is buying.

When I was in uni most of those I knew with macs had them because of specific software that is only on mac os, or because it was less likely to crash vs the Windows port.

 

[Nothingness]

When I was in uni most of those I knew with macs had them because of specific software that is only on mac os, or because it was less likely to crash vs the Windows port.

In my company, more and more people are switching to Mac. This includes managers, people using their laptop as a terminal to the clusters/cloud, and people doing local development. This has nothing to do with Windows or specific software or bragging, it's just that the alternative machines we can choose from are just incredibly bad (Lenovo pro line), and Apple machines, despite their OS, just work, are fast and have great battery life. I certainly won't make this a generality, perhaps Lenovo is particularly bad, but I doubt Acer or ASUS or whatever x86 company people will name that do great x86 laptops is an option for large companies. So most of my team is slowly switching to Apple, waiting for their Lenovo laptops to get out of maintenance contract.

 

[soresu]

In my company, more and more people are switching to Mac. This includes managers, people using their laptop as a terminal to the clusters/cloud, and people doing local development. This has nothing to do with Windows or specific software or bragging, it's just that the alternative machines we can choose from are just incredibly bad (Lenovo pro line), and Apple machines, despite their OS, just work, are fast and have great battery life. I certainly won't make this a generality, perhaps Lenovo is particularly bad, but I doubt Acer or ASUS or whatever x86 company people will name that do great x86 laptops is an option for large companies. So most of my team is slowly switching to Apple, waiting for their Lenovo laptops to get out of maintenance contract.

I guess if battery life is an issue then you have to go with some OEM builder no matter how slapshod or overpriced they are.

Thankfully I only ever suffered a few months working with a laptop (Chromebook), and ironically I do believe that it was in fact a Lenovo product.

That being said though it was tethered to the wall all day long, so battery life wasn't the issue at all - the teeny, tiny laptop screen was in fact the issue.

Anything smaller than a 40 inch display is a non starter for me these days.

 

[Keller_TT]

Well that was because MS/OEMs were jealous of Apple without realizing the reason people buy Macs is to get away from Windows.

I hope Framework with Pop_OS Cosmic will actually bring people to Linux.

Btw, there are some amazing free software to get rid of nearly all Windows spooky telemetry. An app from Germany called O&O ShutUp10++, and Windows SpyBlocker (Open Source).

 

[adroc_thurston]

I hope Framework with Pop_OS Cosmic will actually bring people to Linux.

is this a joke

 

[Keller_TT]

is this a joke

I know It's still going to be a very small %, but I was thinking business/home users who don't want MS AI spyware, and Linux these days has all essential apps & more.
A lot of business software is cloud based web-apps these days. Should work on Linux.

 

[adroc_thurston]

but I was thinking business/home users who don't want MS AI spyware, and Linux these days has all essential apps & more.

no one cares.
Only online schizoids gaf about "le ebulz micro$oft botnet".

A lot of business software is cloud based web-apps these days. Should work on Linux.

No one wants Linux in enterprise altogether.

 

[Keller_TT]

no one cares.
Only online schizoids gaf about "le ebulz micro$oft botnet".

May be those in the Anglosphere don't care. May be they'll begin to care more.

Quite a lot of high quality Open Source efforts are from Germany, Switzerland, and Netherlands in consumer software for PCs (inc cross-platform), Android, web-apps.

No one wants Linux in enterprise altogether.

Linux is the enterprise OS already for many engineering needs. Only for large scale enterprises with corporate admin is what you say valid. But not true for small companies if it comes with support. I know companies in Germany, Switzerland who offer robust Linux & Open Source based support. Mac is still the attractive option, but Linux is emerging as a good option for those who don't want vendor lock-in.

 

[adroc_thurston]

May be those in the Anglosphere don't care. May be they'll begin to care more.

No, no one just like, ever cares.

Only for large scale enterprises with corporate admin is what you say valid

That's the market that matters.

I know companies in Germany, Switzerland who offer robust Linux & Open Source based support

I know, but my point that fleet management on Linux sucks donkey balls still stands.

 

[inquiss]

I know It's still going to be a very small %, but I was thinking business/home users who don't want MS AI spyware, and Linux these days has all essential apps & more.
A lot of business software is cloud based web-apps these days. Should work on Linux.

I mean this in the nicest possible way, but you can count on both hands the people that want what you're saying here and the people who have a need for 50 cores on a mainstream platform. Fun niches, cool, whatever, but not really gonna be sellers

 

[Keller_TT]

I mean this in the nicest possible way, but you can count on both hands both the people that want what you're saying here and the people who have a need for 50 cores on a mainstream platform. Fun niches, cool, whatever, but not really gonna be sellers

I said it more like a future prospect as a well thought amalgamation of h/w & s/w that is repair/upgrade friendly and offers open source ownership. Not for everyone ofc, but as a valuable differentiation that could spawn a few more brands. Not meant as a big seller at all.

 

[inquiss]

I said it more like a future prospect as a well thought amalgamation of h/w & s/w that is repair/upgrade friendly and offers open source ownership. Not for everyone ofc, but as a valuable differentiation that could spawn a few more brands. Not meant as a big seller at all.

I wish you and your four friends well

(Meant to be well meaning)

 

[Keller_TT]

I wish you and your four friends well

(Meant to be well meaning)

What difference does it make to me? I am happy the option exists. Isn't AT supposed to be the nerd forum to discuss niches?

Many threads here are wild with no connection to reality. Mine was just a humble wish for a bit more user friendliness.
(Meant to be well meaning too )

 

[inquiss]

What difference does it make to me? I am happy the option exists. Isn't AT supposed to be the nerd forum to discuss niches?

Many threads here are wild with no connection to reality. Mine was just a humble wish for a bit more user friendliness.
(Meant to be well meaning too )

Just the part where you suggested that the Anglosphere doesn't care implying that the non-anglosphere might be more interested in these esoteric items. They're fun themselves but it's fairly delusional (and I drew a parallel with some other stuff because thats also fairly common forum fodder here) to think anyone else in the mainstream is interested. You may not have been making the point I think you're making, but it's common for people on this forum to think that their niche hobbyist needs exist outside of a global handful of people.

We're in a tech nerd forum. We're a niche if a niche. And if only a couple of people are interested in an idea here, well, we're down to a couple of people

 

[Keller_TT]

Just the part where you suggested that the Anglosphere doesn't care implying that the non-anglosphere might be more interested in these esoteric items.

These are not esoteric at all in DE, CH. We have quite a reputation for it!
The rest is your own inference ha ha.

 

[inquiss]

These are not esoteric at all in DE, CH. We have quite a reputation for it!
The rest is your own inference ha ha.

Good luck with your endeavours! More tech the better. It's just not going to become mainstream, sorry!

 

[Keller_TT]

Good luck with your endeavours! More tech the better. It's just not going to become mainstream, sorry!

Oh, again, I never said it'll be mainstream at all. But just a promising option for a pleasant Linux experience that hopefully more people can try out with no harm, and no cost (for OS), and go from there.

 

[Nothingness]

Linux is the enterprise OS already for many engineering needs. Only for large scale enterprises with corporate admin is what you say valid. But not true for small companies if it comes with support. I know companies in Germany, Switzerland who offer robust Linux & Open Source based support. Mac is still the attractive option, but Linux is emerging as a good option for those who don't want vendor lock-in.

I work in a large engineering company (10k employees). Linux has been supported here at least since I joined 20 years ago. All engineers run Linux or macOS. In upper management, more and more people are switching from Windows to macOS. Agreed that's a single point data, but I'd argue that larger companies have the capacity to dedicate some IT support guys with Linux knowledge.

 

[Keller_TT]

but I'd argue that larger companies have the capacity to dedicate some IT support guys with Linux knowledge.

True. I also had students in mind when I thought of Framework + Pop_OS Cosmic DE. While Mac is now more popular than ever, I know that in Unis in CH, DE, there are student run Linux support groups going on for long now, and many even have dedicated groups in student dorms with one day of the week for walk-in tweaks.

I also just try to notice who uses a Macbook or PC laptop in the amazing Zurich public library. There are more Macs now for sure, and those curious about Linux for personal/creative work.

 

[Joe NYC]

So I listened to the call. My takeaways (in no particular order).

• AI! AI! AI!
• They focused more on server CPUs than client GPUs.
• They said Intel is selling server CPUs to Nvidia who will sell them to customers.
• The deal has supposedly been in the works for nearly a year
• If I heard him right, Lip-Bu Tan mentioned unified memory for the client SOCs which would imply it's a true iGPU.
• Huang said this deal has no impact on Nvidia's ARM roadmap.
• No announcement of Nvidia products being fabbed by Intel Foundry
• No mention of what happens to Intel's graphics IP or datacenter AI accelerators.
• When asked why the cash infusion into Intel, Huang said "It's a good investment".

I just listened to it now, and what surprised me was zero specificity (other than the specific $5 billion figure). Nothing on when any of it might come to market.

Specifically, they were asked (I think) twice on which process technology would the new Intel server product be. And from remarks, the server product has had longer planning period.

The answer, if the server product were to be a modified version of Diamond Rapids or Clearwater Forrest would be easy: 18A, Made in the USA, Hurray!

But they dodged even this easiest question, repeatedly. Which makes me think that this is not coming with either Diamond Rapids or Clearwater Forrest, but in further distant generation, anticipated in 2028/2029 time frame on 14A (assuming it comes to existence).