Nvidia and Intel rumored to settle chipset suit

[happy medium]

Ahem.... http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2119803

crap sorry guys lock er up.

 

[Barfo]

Good for Nvidia. Anytime Intel gets slapped down for their predatory and anti-consumer behaviour I'm happy.

What about nvidia's predatory and anti-consumer behavior?

 

[AnandThenMan]

Or maybe find a new fab partner?

Not a lot of choices out there though.

 

[AnandThenMan]

What about nvidia's predatory and anti-consumer behavior?

I abhor it as well. But I think Intel is the master of it. Intel has harmed the consumer immeasurably over the last decade (and became incredibly rich in the process).

Threads should be merged BTW.

 

[taltamir]

What about nvidia's predatory and anti-consumer behavior?

the problem is that all the players in the market, nvidia, AMD, and intel, have demonstrated predatory and anti-consumer behavior.

Or maybe find a new fab partner?

who? intel isn't going to manufacture nvidia chips... so that leaves TSMC and global foundries... And nvidia already works with TSMC.
A single fab costs about 4 to 6 billion nowadays. So 1 billion isn't nearly enough to invest in fabs.

 

[Absolution75]

good for them - intel needs to feel at least a little hurt

now watch AMD sue nvidia for the same thing - amd may get more money from intel . . . in a roundabout way



This is odd though

Intel on the other hand will likely be getting licenses to Nvidia patents, and Intel is rumored to not have given up an 'x86 license' that Nvidia has been fishing for.

nvidia gives up its patents for nothing (besides the $1b)? Seems odd. Then again, its charlie. I don't usually think of settlements being a two way street with regards to give and take. Sure, negotiate, but giving licenses for patents is something that I would expect to happen outside of the lawsuit.

 

[OCGuy]

Looks like times are turning good again for the green team...

 

[taltamir]

good for them - intel needs to feel at least a little hurt

now watch AMD sue nvidia for the same thing - amd may get more money from intel . . . in a roundabout way

for what exactly? nvidia has grounds to sue AMD though, AMD (like intel) worked hard to lock them out of the chipset market.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Looks like times are turning good again for the green team...

I guess some people enjoy paying $650 for the high end nvidia cards.

I enjoy some healthy competition between the two and a profitable amd and nvidia works best for all consumers.

 

[AnandThenMan]

for what exactly? nvidia has grounds to sue AMD though, AMD (like intel) worked hard to lock them out of the chipset market.

What? Nvidia chose to stop making AMD chipsets. AMD never forced Nvidia to stop working with the AMD platform. Remember when Nvidia stated that they are not making AMD chipsets because no one wants AMD processors anyway?

 

[taltamir]

What? Nvidia chose to stop making AMD chipsets. AMD never forced Nvidia to stop working with the AMD platform. Remember when Nvidia stated that they are not making AMD chipsets because no one wants AMD processors anyway?

I don't remember anything of the sort, but I could be wrong...
That snipy "nobody wants amd cpus anyways" sounds exactly like something JHH would say (regardless of whether they were forced away or chose to leave)

 

[AnandThenMan]

I don't remember who exactly is responsible for that quote, it could have been JHH. But I do know Nvidia abandoned AMD chipsets on their own. They deemed the resources not worth it given AMD's marketshare in CPUs.

I find that short sighted though, Nvidia will kick themselves if Bulldozer takes off and starts eating up marketshare. Nvidia loves to burn bridges for whatever reason.

 

[taltamir]

does nvidia have a license to make chipsets for the current incarnation of HT?
Maybe it was fear of an impending lockout by AMD after intel locked them out.

 

[Rezist]

I think nVidia abandoned AMD chipsets after AMD bought ATi and was suffering through the original phenom days.
Probably not a bad decision at the time but incredibly short sighted.

 

[Lonyo]

I think nVidia abandoned AMD chipsets after AMD bought ATi and was suffering through the original phenom days.
Probably not a bad decision at the time but incredibly short sighted.

How was it shortsighted?
If anything it was looking to the future, where AMD would have a GPU integrated with the CPU, meaning NV couldn't offer much extra through a chipset.

 

[Dribble]

If they only get a billion I'd say that was a failure for nvidia - the lost of their chipset business has probably cost them a lot more then that.

 

[akugami]

If this rumor is true and nVidia doesn't get much aside from the cash, then I think Intel may have gotten the better end of the bargain in the long run depending on what the patents are that Intel gets a license to. This may very well give Intel a better footing with their GPU efforts and in the long run, that's bad for nVidia as they get squeezed out of GPU sales on x86 CPU's.

First, it'll be integrated graphic chipsets on the low end and possible lower middle end that nVidia loses. Likely it'll eat up all sales from the mid end at some point as integrated GPU's get more and more powerful and reach a point that's "good enough" for the vast majority of gamers who are not hardcore gamers. This isn't just desktop sales but laptop as well since it would be ludicrous for there to not only be CPU+GPU hybrids in the desktop but mobile front as well.

In the short run nVidia does gain a huge stash but aside from that, I don't see much happening here for them. Sure, any cash in is always good but if we're looking 2-3 years out, it seems nVidia has a lot to lose and little to gain. An infusion of cash helps the company now but future outlook is not great when you factor in the potential for a huge shrinkage in GPU sales.

 

[ModestGamer]

We should start a class action against intel and see if we can get a billion to divy up. hell there giving everyone else a billion why not us to.

 

[Silverforce11]

So thats why they overcharge on all their CPUs.. lawyer and settlement fees are probably calculated in their margins for each wafer.

 

[happy medium]

So thats why they overcharge on all their CPUs.. lawyer and settlement fees are probably calculated in their margins for each wafer.

or because they are the fastest that money can buy?

 

[zerocool84]

They should loan AMD the money

 

[ModestGamer]

or because they are the fastest that money can buy?

Sure if you say so.

 

[Keysplayr]

Sure if you say so.

I think perhaps everyone but yourself says so. That's the impression I got anyway, judging by your comment above, sounds like you believe AMD has the faster CPU's? But that's for another thread in another sub-forum.

 

[manimal]

Sure if you say so.

Hes just auditioning for a job....24 hours a day...

 

[ModestGamer]

I think perhaps everyone but yourself says so. That's the impression I got anyway, judging by your comment above, sounds like you believe AMD has the faster CPU's? But that's for another thread in another sub-forum.

I think the answer isn't always so clear cut and there been alot of cheating on both sides. So its hard to truly discern if one team has a 10-20% advantgage. More then likely node for node xtor for xtor generation for generation, they aren't far apart and each brand has one thing it does better then the other.

I own and have owned both. I currently own a plethora of cpu's from both manufacturers.

Really its not that straight forward.

but belive what you like.