NVIDIA 9800GTX+ Review Thread

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Do me, yourself, and the rest of this forum a favor. Keep your sour focus group propaganda to yourself when we are discussing tech. If you have an issue with me being in the focus group, start a personal forum issues thread. But you should probably have some kind of complaint first.

Thanks

n/m, I feel less cranky

 

[Conroe]

My 8800gt OC idles 80c, 90c loaded by FAH. I bumped the fan up to 70% with riva tuner to get it down to 70c, about where my 8800gs is (it runs the fan 100% all the time anyway.) LOUD.

Nvidia need new marketing, ever thing since 8800gt have had terrible names and this paper launch is a load of crap. It seem fair to assume they sent these cards to "friends." Huray for the 4850! It's such a good deal nvidia is squirming. Personaly I'm wanting a 4870.

 

[shangshang]

Believe it or not, but AMD/ATI is in deep trouble!!

Just when ATI thought they had a complete midrange winner with the 4850, Nvidia struck back virtually overnight with the 9800GTX+. Nobody saw the GTX+ coming! Basically, ATI spent a lot of R&D time and resources in the 4850, only to have Nvidia punch it in the mouth the GTX+ without spending a dime or research. Going 55nm doesnt cost Nvidia a dime.

I don't know how long AMD plans to play this game of trying to out competes Nvidia with lowering prices. Lowering prices has done nothing put pummel their stock. AMD didn't succeed against Intel by playing the lowering price game.

What will happen when the GT200 goes 55nm in 3 months? Hmm what's ATI's answer then?

But for now, I have to thank ATI for playing this lowering price game, because it'll enable me to get a pair of 9800GTX+ in SLI soon at a price that I would otherwise not be able to afford. 9800GTX+ SLI should last me another 2.5 years. Physx will be a big added value when newer games take advantage of it!

 

[Conroe]

Originally posted by: shangshang
Believe it or not, but AMD/ATI is in deep trouble!!

Just when ATI thought they had a complete midrange winner with the 4850, Nvidia struck back virtually overnight with the 9800GTX+. Nobody saw the GTX+ coming! Basically, ATI spent a lot of R&D time and resources in the 4850, only to have Nvidia punch it in the mouth the GTX+ without spending a dime or research. Going 55nm doesnt cost Nvidia a dime.

So the 9800gtx+ is on sale now? Overnight is sure not next month. Three months for the 55nm GT200? I doubt that too, along with the rest of your post. Can't wait for the GTX 260+, lol.

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: allies

Originally posted by: chizow

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
quit spreading fud. I've used rivatuner on my 3870 almost since release date to manually control fan speed. 4850 will be supported soon if it isn't already. the 4850 doesn't produce nearly as much heat as 9800gtx (+) so it will be easier to cool it, whether with a crappy single slot design or with a high performance dual slot unit. They're already selling them on special at best buy for $149. Spend $20 more than that to get a high end aftermarket cooler or wait for good dual slot non-reference designs if you get one, however. How high will a 4850 oc with a good hsf? certainly it will get over the 750 that 4870 gets, probably much higher than that. The hard-capped oc limit in ccc is 75, not 50 btw.

From what I've read, it won't matter if you can adjust 4850s fan speed. When people says its "loud under load" and its still 100-110C, that tells me the cooler is working at maximum efficiency and its not going to get better. While I still think RV770 will be able to hit 750MHz with a dual-slot cooler on the 4870, you have to ask yourself how much overhead is going to be left over with such a high TDP.

Dude... the TDP of the 4850 is LESS than the 9800GTX+ I'm assuming that the 4870 should be right in line or a little bit above...

go re-read techreport's write-up. they had 2 different 4850's with different db's, but iirc the loudest was 27.5 db and the quietest was closer to 20 db. both of those are almost completely inaudible and are in fact quite a bit quieter than my stock 3870 dual slot fan. Don't get me wrong, I hate these single slot craptastic units, but for a sff case or someone on a budget they could be the best solution. I obviously have no way of testing this short of driving to bestbuy today and seeing if they have a 4850 lying around, but I'd be very surprised if you couldn't get much more reasonable temps (ie, less than 60c at load) with the fan in the 40-50% range.

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: CorCentral

Originally posted by: YEPP

Originally posted by: CorCentral
Are there any other reviews out there yet, other than the 2 in the OP?

http://www.hardware.fr/article...force-9800-gtx-v2.html

....... En ingles! ...... En anglais!!! :laugh:

just skip to pages 4-9, they have benchies in nice chart form. according to them, the 9800gtx v2.0 is faster with no AA at 1920x1200 by ~ 10% and slower at 1920x1200 with 4xAA by ~ 10 % on average across all the titles they tested. btw, they show 4850 1.8% faster than 9800gtx with no AA and ~20% faster with 4xAA.

 

[shangshang]

All valid points, but how sad that nVidia's last generation card will be their savior. What are they thinking over there with their designs?

You do realize that Nvdia didn't waste a dime of R&D in the GTX+ right? In the meantime, AMD is deep in debt. Nvidia is spending their R&D money innovation, while keep their opponent at bay with their last gen product. If you're the Nvidia CEO and investors, you would love the situation you're in now. I don't think you realize what you were saying.

 

[shangshang]

Originally posted by: Conroe

Originally posted by: shangshang
Believe it or not, but AMD/ATI is in deep trouble!!

Just when ATI thought they had a complete midrange winner with the 4850, Nvidia struck back virtually overnight with the 9800GTX+. Nobody saw the GTX+ coming! Basically, ATI spent a lot of R&D time and resources in the 4850, only to have Nvidia punch it in the mouth the GTX+ without spending a dime or research. Going 55nm doesnt cost Nvidia a dime.

So the 9800gtx+ is on sale now? Overnight is sure not next month. Three months for the 55nm GT200? I doubt that too, along with the rest of your post. Can't wait for the GTX 260+, lol.

July is only a few weeks away.

Nvidia can release the GT200 on 55nm next month if they had to. But why would the rush to do this when the BEST Ati has up its sleeve is the 4870 which is nowhere in the ballpark of the GT200. Nvidia ain't dumb to show their hands early. You obviously don't understand.

AMD gotta be a bit demoralized though. They originally hoped to release the 4850 at $230. Then went to $199. And now even going as low as $160 AR. All this within a week of release, all due to the GTX+ coming out. Good for the consumers, but bad for the long term health of the company. Take a look at AMD stock lately?? Deep in debt. Can't compete with Intel. Can't compete with Nvidia. AMD employees looking to defect to Intel or Nvidia when the opportunity exists. Stock price is virtually where it was 5 years ago.

You do realize that Nvdia didn't waste a dime of R&D to release the GTX+ right?

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: shangshang

All valid points, but how sad that nVidia's last generation card will be their savior. What are they thinking over there with their designs?

You do realize that Nvdia didn't waste a dime of R&D in the GTX+ right? In the meantime, AMD is deep in debt. Nvidia is spending their R&D money innovation, while keep their opponent at bay with their last gen product. If you're the Nvidia CEO and investors, you would love the situation you're in now. I don't think you realize what you were saying.

They spent all that money on GT200 only to have not so superior performance.

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Ok. I used C8xQAA

Snow: 68
Cave: 75

Now what?

Did you use dx10 or dx9?

What were you trying to find about anyway? You wanted to prove Computerbase benches are bogus?

DX10.

Bogus or legit. Either way. So far, looks bogus. If I got the same scores they did, I'd say they were legit. But I'm not, so I can't.

Steel Six, are you around? Have Lost Planet?

People have different way of testing.
True, but that is why I asked how the testing was done.

if you got 70 some fps with your "free" 280gtx
Didn't computerbase get their GTX280/HD4850 for free?
Or did they have to go and buy them at retail stores?
Free, has no bearing on the benchmarks I am getting. Free cards are not any faster
or slower than ones you pay for. Unless of course there was some underlying sentiment saying I'm lying about my scores? If so, what gives? You want truth? Or do you want BS?
Your call.

than you should also get 50 some fps with a 4850 the same way you benchmarked.
Which is why I plan to hook up with Steel Six who has just got himself two 4850's.
Lets test that theory shall we?

Computerbase is pretty much point on with their testings. I don't have any doubts about them.
Well, that's your call once again. I choose to test for myself. I believe me. LOL.

By the way, I just ran the bench at 1600x1200 C16xQAA 16xAF.
Snow: 56 Cave: 74

All this with a CPU running 1600MHz slower Quad core than computerbase (they ran a Q9770 o/c'd to 4GHz)

Computerbase might get the card free but I don't think they are members of any focus group and have allegiance to x company.

You seem very doubtful of the new 4850 but every major website including Anandtech says other wise. Your call. :brokenheart:

Wow. You're just full of opinions aren't you?
So, lets talk bluntly please. No beating around the bush sugar coating. Do you think I am reporting my results incorrectly? Do you think I am lying? Do you want to believe I am lying? Which is it?
Two things you have said now lead me to believe you are more biased than you "think" I am.
"Free". and "Allegiance".

YOU are the one bringing up these things. To what end?

This is the story:

I saw Tuteja's post with the CB benches for the HD4850, 9800GTX and GTX280.
I said to myself, "Self, let me try out the bench and see what I get a the same settings."
I did. Let Tuteja know what I got. I asked if I was doing anything wrong with my settings because they did not "jive" with CB's numbers. Just to make sure.

We discussed different AA modes and what they were. I tried them all and reported marks.
We noted that I was using DX10.
Then for some reason, you mention I had a "Free" card. And now you mention that I have an "allegiance". Highly improper for this conversation, don't you think?

And NOT ONCE did I say that the HD4850 marks were incorrect. How could I? I don't have one. YOU said it. Not me. I do not doubt the 4850's marks. Nor can I endorse them. Again, I don't have one. I do however have a 9800GTX and a GTX280. Those, I can comment on.

You are showing some colors here I do not care for. Far more biased than you would have us believe my friend. Far more than I could ever be. Sorry to tell you.

Do me, yourself, and the rest of this forum a favor. Keep your sour focus group propaganda to yourself when we are discussing tech. If you have an issue with me being in the focus group, start a personal forum issues thread. But you should probably have some kind of complaint first.

Thanks

Now I'm not supposed to have an opinion? :disgust:

I think you have very compelling reasons to bend the facts around you just like nRollo does. You are a member of Nvidia focus team are you not? Isn't this same reason why you stopped being Video Card moderator? What does this Focus group do anyway? Constantly praise Nvidia's products over it's competitors in forums?

I don't think you are lying about your benchmarks but like I said you getting somewhere in the 70fps range and Computerbase getting 40fps is because your testing might be different.

 

[RallyMaster]

Now I just gotta wait for the 8800GTs to come down to $100 and I'll jump on one.

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: shangshang
Believe it or not, but AMD/ATI is in deep trouble!!

Just when ATI thought they had a complete midrange winner with the 4850, Nvidia struck back virtually overnight with the 9800GTX+. Nobody saw the GTX+ coming! Basically, ATI spent a lot of R&D time and resources in the 4850, only to have Nvidia punch it in the mouth the GTX+ without spending a dime or research. Going 55nm doesnt cost Nvidia a dime.

I don't know how long AMD plans to play this game of trying to out competes Nvidia with lowering prices. Lowering prices has done nothing put pummel their stock. AMD didn't succeed against Intel by playing the lowering price game.

What will happen when the GT200 goes 55nm in 3 months? Hmm what's ATI's answer then?

But for now, I have to thank ATI for playing this lowering price game, because it'll enable me to get a pair of 9800GTX+ in SLI soon at a price that I would otherwise not be able to afford. 9800GTX+ SLI should last me another 2.5 years. Physx will be a big added value when newer games take advantage of it!

It is 20 dollars more for a 9800GTX+. If you have a budget of 200 dollars, then the 4850 is the obvious choice. If you have a bigger budget, the 9800gtx+ is the choice. So what you are saying is not true in other words.

 

[shangshang]

Originally posted by: spittledip

Originally posted by: shangshang
Believe it or not, but AMD/ATI is in deep trouble!!

Just when ATI thought they had a complete midrange winner with the 4850, Nvidia struck back virtually overnight with the 9800GTX+. Nobody saw the GTX+ coming! Basically, ATI spent a lot of R&D time and resources in the 4850, only to have Nvidia punch it in the mouth the GTX+ without spending a dime or research. Going 55nm doesnt cost Nvidia a dime.

I don't know how long AMD plans to play this game of trying to out competes Nvidia with lowering prices. Lowering prices has done nothing put pummel their stock. AMD didn't succeed against Intel by playing the lowering price game.

What will happen when the GT200 goes 55nm in 3 months? Hmm what's ATI's answer then?

But for now, I have to thank ATI for playing this lowering price game, because it'll enable me to get a pair of 9800GTX+ in SLI soon at a price that I would otherwise not be able to afford. 9800GTX+ SLI should last me another 2.5 years. Physx will be a big added value when newer games take advantage of it!

It is 20 dollars more for a 9800GTX+. If you have a budget of 200 dollars, then the 4850 is the obvious choice. If you have a bigger budget, the 9800gtx+ is the choice. So what you are saying is not true in other words.

If you're going to quibble over 20 bux for a better cooler and Physx, then it's your choice. But me, I rather put in half an hour at work than cheap out over 20 bux. Jesh, most people pay $60 to fill their gas for 5 days of work... and you're being a drama queen over 20 bux??? I guess that's your choice.

 

[shangshang]

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: shangshang

All valid points, but how sad that nVidia's last generation card will be their savior. What are they thinking over there with their designs?

You do realize that Nvdia didn't waste a dime of R&D in the GTX+ right? In the meantime, AMD is deep in debt. Nvidia is spending their R&D money innovation, while keep their opponent at bay with their last gen product. If you're the Nvidia CEO and investors, you would love the situation you're in now. I don't think you realize what you were saying.

They spent all that money on GT200 only to have not so superior performance.

What do you define as "superior performance?" Superior to whom? and by what factor? It seems to me that you have no reference point to your "superior performace" phrase. This is not science fiction ok, where a discovery can take man from the cave to time traveling ok, and if you expect this kind of superior performance, then go watch star trek.

But what I do know based on AMD's own financial reports is that AMD is losing money left and right selling their cards for cheap in trying to compete with NV.

 

[allies]

Originally posted by: shangshang

Originally posted by: Conroe

Originally posted by: shangshang
Believe it or not, but AMD/ATI is in deep trouble!!

Just when ATI thought they had a complete midrange winner with the 4850, Nvidia struck back virtually overnight with the 9800GTX+. Nobody saw the GTX+ coming! Basically, ATI spent a lot of R&D time and resources in the 4850, only to have Nvidia punch it in the mouth the GTX+ without spending a dime or research. Going 55nm doesnt cost Nvidia a dime.

So the 9800gtx+ is on sale now? Overnight is sure not next month. Three months for the 55nm GT200? I doubt that too, along with the rest of your post. Can't wait for the GTX 260+, lol.

July is only a few weeks away.

Nvidia can release the GT200 on 55nm next month if they had to. But why would the rush to do this when the BEST Ati has up its sleeve is the 4870 which is nowhere in the ballpark of the GT200. Nvidia ain't dumb to show their hands early. You obviously don't understand.

AMD gotta be a bit demoralized though. They originally hoped to release the 4850 at $230. Then went to $199. And now even going as low as $160 AR. All this within a week of release, all due to the GTX+ coming out. Good for the consumers, but bad for the long term health of the company. Take a look at AMD stock lately?? Deep in debt. Can't compete with Intel. Can't compete with Nvidia. AMD employees looking to defect to Intel or Nvidia when the opportunity exists. Stock price is virtually where it was 5 years ago.

You do realize that Nvdia didn't waste a dime of R&D to release the GTX+ right?

LOL @ Nvidia can release the GT200 on 55nm next month if they had to. I'm sure this is the thought process over at nvidia: "Oh wow, we're producing a 65nm behemoth, but you know, it's fine, we don't need better margins, F releasing it next month on a 55nm process."

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: shangshang
If you're going to quibble over 20 bux for a better cooler and Physx, then it's your choice. But me, I rather put in half an hour at work than cheap out over 20 bux. Jesh, most people pay $60 to fill their gas for 5 days of work... and you're being a drama queen over 20 bux??? I guess that's your choice.

Twenty dollars is a lot of money for many people on very tight incomes. It is easy when you have $450 to blow on two 9800gtx+ to dismiss $20 as pocket change. People like me on fixed incomes, $20 means the difference between eating decent or living on beans and cornbread for a few weeks. When I buy hardware, I am very price sensitive and am on a very strict budget. I frankly can't afford to go ahead and blow that $20, even if the product offered is a hell of a lot better.

 

[Kuzi]

Originally posted by: shangshang
Believe it or not, but AMD/ATI is in deep trouble!!

Just when ATI thought they had a complete midrange winner with the 4850, Nvidia struck back virtually overnight with the 9800GTX+. Nobody saw the GTX+ coming! Basically, ATI spent a lot of R&D time and resources in the 4850, only to have Nvidia punch it in the mouth the GTX+ without spending a dime or research. Going 55nm doesnt cost Nvidia a dime.

I don't know how long AMD plans to play this game of trying to out competes Nvidia with lowering prices. Lowering prices has done nothing put pummel their stock. AMD didn't succeed against Intel by playing the lowering price game.

What will happen when the GT200 goes 55nm in 3 months? Hmm what's ATI's answer then?

But for now, I have to thank ATI for playing this lowering price game, because it'll enable me to get a pair of 9800GTX+ in SLI soon at a price that I would otherwise not be able to afford. 9800GTX+ SLI should last me another 2.5 years. Physx will be a big added value when newer games take advantage of it!

Actually I think it's the opposite, everyone was caught by surprise by the great price/performance ratio of the HD4850. And ATI seem in a better position now compared to say the last generation (6xx).

A bunch of people on anandtech forums already bought HD4850 cards for only $149. The 9800GTX+ is not out till now, and won't be till another few weeks, with an expected price of $229. That is anywhere between $30-$80 more expensive compared to the HD4850.

I'm not saying the GTX+ won't compete well with the 4850, it probably will. But from the few reviews we have now on the net, if you are looking for absolute price/performance the HD4850 seems like the smarter choice.

About the GT200 55nm refresh, did you read somewhere it will release in 3 months? My guess if they do release a refresh this year (GT200 Ultra), it would be around Nov/Dec timeframe (NV usually releases a refresh 5-6 months after the initial release).

 

[allies]

Originally posted by: shangshang

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: shangshang

All valid points, but how sad that nVidia's last generation card will be their savior. What are they thinking over there with their designs?

You do realize that Nvdia didn't waste a dime of R&D in the GTX+ right? In the meantime, AMD is deep in debt. Nvidia is spending their R&D money innovation, while keep their opponent at bay with their last gen product. If you're the Nvidia CEO and investors, you would love the situation you're in now. I don't think you realize what you were saying.

They spent all that money on GT200 only to have not so superior performance.

What do you define as "superior performance?" Superior to whom? and by what factor? It seems to me that you have no reference point to your "superior performace" phrase. This is not science fiction ok, where a discovery can take man from the cave to time traveling ok, and if you expect this kind of superior performance, then go watch star trek.

But what I do know based on AMD's own financial reports is that AMD is losing money left and right selling their cards for cheap in trying to compete with NV.

I don't think anyone in this thread is taking your "points" seriously. Try to come back with a less biased/abrasive attitude and maybe we'll hear you out.

 

[shangshang]

Originally posted by: allies

Originally posted by: shangshang

Originally posted by: Conroe

Originally posted by: shangshang
Believe it or not, but AMD/ATI is in deep trouble!!

Just when ATI thought they had a complete midrange winner with the 4850, Nvidia struck back virtually overnight with the 9800GTX+. Nobody saw the GTX+ coming! Basically, ATI spent a lot of R&D time and resources in the 4850, only to have Nvidia punch it in the mouth the GTX+ without spending a dime or research. Going 55nm doesnt cost Nvidia a dime.

So the 9800gtx+ is on sale now? Overnight is sure not next month. Three months for the 55nm GT200? I doubt that too, along with the rest of your post. Can't wait for the GTX 260+, lol.

July is only a few weeks away.

Nvidia can release the GT200 on 55nm next month if they had to. But why would the rush to do this when the BEST Ati has up its sleeve is the 4870 which is nowhere in the ballpark of the GT200. Nvidia ain't dumb to show their hands early. You obviously don't understand.

AMD gotta be a bit demoralized though. They originally hoped to release the 4850 at $230. Then went to $199. And now even going as low as $160 AR. All this within a week of release, all due to the GTX+ coming out. Good for the consumers, but bad for the long term health of the company. Take a look at AMD stock lately?? Deep in debt. Can't compete with Intel. Can't compete with Nvidia. AMD employees looking to defect to Intel or Nvidia when the opportunity exists. Stock price is virtually where it was 5 years ago.

You do realize that Nvdia didn't waste a dime of R&D to release the GTX+ right?

LOL @ Nvidia can release the GT200 on 55nm next month if they had to. I'm sure this is the thought process over at nvidia: "Oh wow, we're producing a 65nm behemoth, but you know, it's fine, we don't need better margins, F releasing it next month on a 55nm process."

You obviously don't understand. NV wanted to play it safe with the GT200 and 65nm. They play it safe because the 65nm is a proven process, and until ATI steps up to this performance sphere, NV has to reason to rush out anything and potentially introduce process bugs.

Case in point is, nobody saw the GTX+ came did they? NV just drop the GTX+ bomb on the 4850 like nothing. Like I said, if NV is forced, they will step up.

Now, what does ATI have up their sleeve for the coming 55nm GT200? Oh the sound of cricket chirping.

 

[shangshang]

Originally posted by: allies

Originally posted by: shangshang

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: shangshang

All valid points, but how sad that nVidia's last generation card will be their savior. What are they thinking over there with their designs?

You do realize that Nvdia didn't waste a dime of R&D in the GTX+ right? In the meantime, AMD is deep in debt. Nvidia is spending their R&D money innovation, while keep their opponent at bay with their last gen product. If you're the Nvidia CEO and investors, you would love the situation you're in now. I don't think you realize what you were saying.

They spent all that money on GT200 only to have not so superior performance.

What do you define as "superior performance?" Superior to whom? and by what factor? It seems to me that you have no reference point to your "superior performace" phrase. This is not science fiction ok, where a discovery can take man from the cave to time traveling ok, and if you expect this kind of superior performance, then go watch star trek.

But what I do know based on AMD's own financial reports is that AMD is losing money left and right selling their cards for cheap in trying to compete with NV.

I don't think anyone in this thread is taking your "points" seriously. Try to come back with a less biased/abrasive attitude and maybe we'll hear you out.

So for all your seriousness, you still yet to say what you mean by superior performance? You're living in a scifi world?

 

[allies]

Originally posted by: shangshang

Originally posted by: allies

Originally posted by: shangshang

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: shangshang

All valid points, but how sad that nVidia's last generation card will be their savior. What are they thinking over there with their designs?

You do realize that Nvdia didn't waste a dime of R&D in the GTX+ right? In the meantime, AMD is deep in debt. Nvidia is spending their R&D money innovation, while keep their opponent at bay with their last gen product. If you're the Nvidia CEO and investors, you would love the situation you're in now. I don't think you realize what you were saying.

They spent all that money on GT200 only to have not so superior performance.

What do you define as "superior performance?" Superior to whom? and by what factor? It seems to me that you have no reference point to your "superior performace" phrase. This is not science fiction ok, where a discovery can take man from the cave to time traveling ok, and if you expect this kind of superior performance, then go watch star trek.

But what I do know based on AMD's own financial reports is that AMD is losing money left and right selling their cards for cheap in trying to compete with NV.

I don't think anyone in this thread is taking your "points" seriously. Try to come back with a less biased/abrasive attitude and maybe we'll hear you out.

So for all your seriousness, you still yet to say what you mean by superior performance? You're living in a scifi world?

Way to know who you're responding to... I didn't say that.

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: shangshang

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: shangshang

All valid points, but how sad that nVidia's last generation card will be their savior. What are they thinking over there with their designs?

You do realize that Nvdia didn't waste a dime of R&D in the GTX+ right? In the meantime, AMD is deep in debt. Nvidia is spending their R&D money innovation, while keep their opponent at bay with their last gen product. If you're the Nvidia CEO and investors, you would love the situation you're in now. I don't think you realize what you were saying.

They spent all that money on GT200 only to have not so superior performance.

What do you define as "superior performance?" Superior to whom? and by what factor? It seems to me that you have no reference point to your "superior performace" phrase. This is not science fiction ok, where a discovery can take man from the cave to time traveling ok, and if you expect this kind of superior performance, then go watch star trek.

But what I do know based on AMD's own financial reports is that AMD is losing money left and right selling their cards for cheap in trying to compete with NV.

20% performance gains for $200 more? How about 40% for $400 more? :disgust:

 

[allies]

Originally posted by: shangshang

Originally posted by: allies

Originally posted by: shangshang

Originally posted by: Conroe

Originally posted by: shangshang
Believe it or not, but AMD/ATI is in deep trouble!!

Just when ATI thought they had a complete midrange winner with the 4850, Nvidia struck back virtually overnight with the 9800GTX+. Nobody saw the GTX+ coming! Basically, ATI spent a lot of R&D time and resources in the 4850, only to have Nvidia punch it in the mouth the GTX+ without spending a dime or research. Going 55nm doesnt cost Nvidia a dime.

So the 9800gtx+ is on sale now? Overnight is sure not next month. Three months for the 55nm GT200? I doubt that too, along with the rest of your post. Can't wait for the GTX 260+, lol.

July is only a few weeks away.

Nvidia can release the GT200 on 55nm next month if they had to. But why would the rush to do this when the BEST Ati has up its sleeve is the 4870 which is nowhere in the ballpark of the GT200. Nvidia ain't dumb to show their hands early. You obviously don't understand.

AMD gotta be a bit demoralized though. They originally hoped to release the 4850 at $230. Then went to $199. And now even going as low as $160 AR. All this within a week of release, all due to the GTX+ coming out. Good for the consumers, but bad for the long term health of the company. Take a look at AMD stock lately?? Deep in debt. Can't compete with Intel. Can't compete with Nvidia. AMD employees looking to defect to Intel or Nvidia when the opportunity exists. Stock price is virtually where it was 5 years ago.

You do realize that Nvdia didn't waste a dime of R&D to release the GTX+ right?

LOL @ Nvidia can release the GT200 on 55nm next month if they had to. I'm sure this is the thought process over at nvidia: "Oh wow, we're producing a 65nm behemoth, but you know, it's fine, we don't need better margins, F releasing it next month on a 55nm process."

You obviously don't understand. NV wanted to play it safe with the GT200 and 65nm. They play it safe because the 65nm is a proven process, and until ATI steps up to this performance sphere, NV has to reason to rush out anything and potentially introduce process bugs.

Case in point is, nobody saw the GTX+ came did they? NV just drop the GTX+ bomb on the 4850 like nothing. Like I said, if NV is forced, they will step up.

Now, what does ATI have up their sleeve for the coming 55nm GT200? Oh the sound of cricket chirping.

What the hell are you talking about? YOU obviously don't understand. I'll agree that nvidia anted to play it safe with the 65nm process since they completely screwed the pooch with the FX series when trying to downsize. But you can't release a product on 65nm, and then in a one month turnaround have the downsized product in volume for launch. I'm sure it's possible to have samples ready for next month, but do you want a 4+ month paper launch?

ATi will have the R700 which will be > the GTX280 and cheaper, to boot.

 

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I just realized with AA the impact on 9800GTX+ is quite huge on FPS as compared to 4850...

Seem's like the G92b dont like AA as compared to G200 core... You can compare RV770 Pro AA results to G200 GTS AA and see the lesser impact of AA on fps...

 

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Originally posted by: shangshang

Originally posted by: spittledip

Originally posted by: shangshang
Believe it or not, but AMD/ATI is in deep trouble!!

Just when ATI thought they had a complete midrange winner with the 4850, Nvidia struck back virtually overnight with the 9800GTX+. Nobody saw the GTX+ coming! Basically, ATI spent a lot of R&D time and resources in the 4850, only to have Nvidia punch it in the mouth the GTX+ without spending a dime or research. Going 55nm doesnt cost Nvidia a dime.

I don't know how long AMD plans to play this game of trying to out competes Nvidia with lowering prices. Lowering prices has done nothing put pummel their stock. AMD didn't succeed against Intel by playing the lowering price game.

What will happen when the GT200 goes 55nm in 3 months? Hmm what's ATI's answer then?

But for now, I have to thank ATI for playing this lowering price game, because it'll enable me to get a pair of 9800GTX+ in SLI soon at a price that I would otherwise not be able to afford. 9800GTX+ SLI should last me another 2.5 years. Physx will be a big added value when newer games take advantage of it!

It is 20 dollars more for a 9800GTX+. If you have a budget of 200 dollars, then the 4850 is the obvious choice. If you have a bigger budget, the 9800gtx+ is the choice. So what you are saying is not true in other words.

If you're going to quibble over 20 bux for a better cooler and Physx, then it's your choice. But me, I rather put in half an hour at work than cheap out over 20 bux. Jesh, most people pay $60 to fill their gas for 5 days of work... and you're being a drama queen over 20 bux??? I guess that's your choice.

Perhaps you don't realize, but things are marketed according to their performance. So, fora little less performance you pay a little less. Is this a new concept to you? It seems that it is.

Maybe 20 dollars isn't a big deal to you, but it is to some. I guess what is most important to you is being a shill and a troll, obviously. I am going to get myself a 9800GTX+ unless the 4870 has something to offer, but I am not so stupid that I can't see the benefits of the 4850 if one has a properly ventilated case.

I didn't realize the mods here allowed people to make new accounts just so they could troll and not worry about getting their normal account banned.