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NV40 rumors

Well, if this is true, I think nVidia may actually retake the performance crown the old-fashioned way... Even if they deliver half the Inquirer's "rumors", they'll still be in a very good position.
(Hoping against all odds nVidia doesn't ruin another GPU series and force me to go with ATI to replace my well-serving Ti4200...)
 
Depends on the situation 🙂

It could very well be some high res situation in HL2 where the NV40 gets 21 FPS and the NV38 gets 3 🙂

Just remember you can twist numbers anyway you want.

Personally I think this could be a virtual dead heat in terms of performance. We have about a month or so till we find out hehe.
 
I just read the comments and I think they are overly optimistic. However, with that said, often companies try to elevate their new products by shouting 'this' and 'that' about it, promoting how it is the next best thing. I could understand if it's 7x faster in Half-Life 2 because say if you play 5950 Ultra at 1600x1200 @4AA/8AF it might run at 8 frames per second if the Pure Direct x9.0 nvidia non-optimized code is implemented. Then the new card will run it at 50+ frames; thats realistic considering just how poorly the new FX cards perform when are subject to running the genuine HL2 code. These figures could be representative of the highest quality setting performance since at 1600x1200 with AA and AF enabled Nvidia might run doom 3 with Highest Detail at 20 frames per second so 4 times as fast is 80. It makes sense somewhat because Radeon 9700Pro can be up to 5 times faster than my radeon 8500 if you enable the highest settings considering my card goes to 5 frames per second in direct x 9.0 games. What I think we shouldnt' assume is that its 4 or 7 or X times faster in regular 1024x768 normal quality settings because then we are looking at 200-300 frames which is unrealistic in that sense. Also, having 8 times faster shaders sounds far too unbelievable, but I am not gonna deny that it's probably possible to recreate a benchmarking environment to prove that if nvidia wanted to. In other words, theoretical increases in shader performance do not always translate to real world performance advantage since sometimes they dont perform 8x faster in the real game.

Still I think the card should give a healthy boost of 30-40% in 1024x768 and far greater advantage at high quality settings that is what everyone cares for the most. I wouldnt' be suprised to see 25000-28000 3dmark2001 scores non-overclocked with a p4 3.4 or Athlon 64. But I want to see real benchmarks first, as hearing about prescott's optimized hyperthreading, 1mb cache, etc. 1 year ago seemed like a sure northwood killer; but when it came out this didnt happen (yes down the line it will). Also, I dont think ATI will want to give up more or any ground at all, and I highly doubt if nvidia's card is faster, that it will be an easy win for either company. Even now, both companies have cards that run better at certain games and settings and it's hard to tell who the winner is at least for direct x 8 games. Looking at the past history shows that even after 1 company beats the other, the loser always releases a refresh to beat the other and so on, so I expect a close battle nonetheless. Now who wants to buy me the NV40 or R420 for my b-day?:evil:
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
The rumors are a better AA algorithm. Something that will put them on par with ATI.

No Nvidia and the Annalists are saying the Algorithm is all new and far superior to the one ATI currently use... nvidia have changed the whole core in NV40 but ATI havent just inproved the R380 and also moved it onto 0.13u
But these are all romors. Will all see how much more superior when they are put head to head in a NV40 VS R420 review .. i cant wait. i love war of the graphics? its my favorite reading material.
 
Originally posted by: videoclone
Originally posted by: Genx87
The rumors are a better AA algorithm. Something that will put them on par with ATI.

No Nvidia and the Annalists are saying the Algorithm is all new and far superior to the one ATI currently use... nvidia have changed the whole core in NV40 but ATI havent just inproved the R380 and also moved it onto 0.13u
But these are all romors. Will all see how much more superior when they are put head to head in a NV40 VS R420 review .. i cant wait. i love war of the graphics? its my favorite reading material.

Don't you mean Analists? 😀
 
Originally posted by: Shinei
Well, if this is true, I think nVidia may actually retake the performance crown the old-fashioned way... Even if they deliver half the Inquirer's "rumors", they'll still be in a very good position.
(Hoping against all odds nVidia doesn't ruin another GPU series and force me to go with ATI to replace my well-serving Ti4200...)


these are claims made by the nvidia marketing team, not Enquirer
 
Is it just me, or are the Inquirer's articles difficult to read? There's no sense of flow to the sentences. I can normally skim something and pick up all but a few insignificant details, but I find myself getting lost in useless words and stumbling when reading articles on that site. Maybe the author's are foreign and aren't familiar with everyday english?
 
Hehe I remember the Nvidia CEO muttering about what ATI was smoking when it can out with R300. LOL I wonder what he's been smoking the past 18 months to get over the fact that Nvidia's BullSh!t campaign couldn't lift NV30 out of a ditch. And ATI is second to Intel in the Gfx market.

Nvidia is bluffing and Hyping its products even more. Maybe they have not learned from their past mistakes, but it's to be expected and ATI has been quiet lately, just as quiet about their product when R300 was coming out. I'm no fanboy or anything, I do have a Biased view (since I am Me, and that my perceptions are subjugated to me) However know this; i do a GF2Ti500 and GF4Ti4200 and a Radeon 7200. My Nvidia to ATI ratio is: 2:1.

Nvidia better get off its high horse and deliver the goods, and not BS about it MONTHS before release.
 
Samples of the NV40 to review sites will probably come out in about a month from now thats why there hyping the product up and another reason nvidia are hyping it up and talking about how good this card will be is because there marketing department knows what there doing and how to sell a product even if its lie?s and BS so long as they get these things selling then there soil reason for working for nvidia is justified
Only recently ATI has started to open its eyes and follow Nvidia's marketing tactics. With promise?s of performance so on. But I still think Nvidia?s marketing department blows ATI?s out of the water they Bullshit lie backstab anything and everything 2 keep there job?s 😉 I think they leant a thing or 2 from intel 😀
 
Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Is it just me, or are the Inquirer's articles difficult to read? There's no sense of flow to the sentences. I can normally skim something and pick up all but a few insignificant details, but I find myself getting lost in useless words and stumbling when reading articles on that site. Maybe the author's are foreign and aren't familiar with everyday english?

The Inquirer is a UK-based site, they use a lot of English-English terms, like "Punter" (one who bets on something). Plus, they seem to want to write as informally as possible, like people gossiping to each other, down at the simple-man on-the-street level. These things tend to compound each other...

 
Originally posted by: DanDeighan
Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Is it just me, or are the Inquirer's articles difficult to read? There's no sense of flow to the sentences. I can normally skim something and pick up all but a few insignificant details, but I find myself getting lost in useless words and stumbling when reading articles on that site. Maybe the author's are foreign and aren't familiar with everyday english?

The Inquirer is a UK-based site, they use a lot of English-English terms, like "Punter" (one who bets on something). Plus, they seem to want to write as informally as possible, like people gossiping to each other, down at the simple-man on-the-street level. These things tend to compound each other...

Maybe it's the english "accent" then... it just doesn't flow... and they don't use correct punctuation. A simple grammar check in MS Word would help a lot.
 
I'm Australian and the grammar seams just fine 2 me 😉 wOOt .... i'm not sure about what u Americans like ?But? text book English is rather boring and to get people interested in reading your online news its gotta be fun!!

I see fun English all over the net ?.its more humen, inviting and amusing to the reader.
But maybe not to the text book reader who skims.
 
Euch that was one torturous read!! I'm From the UK and I'm sorry but that article doesn't flow well no matter which side of the pond you hail from. If you're going to miss out words in sentences to make it sound more like conversation than a textual review then you need to get the punctuation right, which imho that website doesn't even come close to achieving.

If you want a humorous, much easier to read, UK based light hearted look at IT news then try www.theregister.co.uk instead.

And as for Nvidia's claims well.... any statistic can be twisted to say whatever you want it to so I wouldn't read too much into hyped pre-release claims such as these.

Mnementh
 
Good example of twisting statistics.

At a basketball game, Michael jordan and Scottie Pippen combined for 55 points. This is true.

But, they don't tell you that Jordan scored 55 and Pippen scored 0.

Any statistics can be manipulated and twisted to appear something it's actually not.
 
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