according to a few sites (http://www.digitimes.com/NewsShow/Article2.asp?datePublish=2003/03/27&pages=02&seq=7) for example, the card will be released in may. quite fast. i wonder what was changed? the ddr II to ddr I with 256bit and different cooling? i hope it will be more to improve speed.
Originally posted by: AtomicDude512
I hope this isnt the core that produces 120w like Nvidia's CEO said a while back...
On the plus side if it isn't 60db that is nice.
120W is a bit extreme. I think 120W would be right if NVIDIA was planning on releasing a dual chip Geforce card.
I've been waiting and waiting for someone to point out that the NV30 runs with DDR-II memory (which someone finally has) and that DDR-II runs its core differently than DDR-I did (which nobody has yet).
DDR-II runs its address clock at twice the frequency of its internal DRAM core. Thus DDR-II 400 (200 MHz address clock) runs its core at 100 MHz, for a 10 ns cycle time. The DDR-II 1000 (500 MHz adress clock) memory used by the NV30 and presumably the NV35 is pushing data at 1 Gbit/s per pin, but its DRAM cells are only (heh. only.) cycling at 4 ns, not 2 ns like people have been discussing.
DDR-II memory cells actually have a longer cycle time at 1 Gbit/s per pin (500 MHz DDR) than does DDR-I operating at 650 Mbit/s per pin (325 MHz DDR), in fact apreciably so. This is why we are seeing a push to DDR-II now, and I guess GDDR-3 in the near-ish future; the memory interface can be scaled up faster than DRAM cycle times can be scaled down, so maintaining bandwidth while doubling cycle time is a huge load off the mind for desktop DRAM makers (DDR-I 400 vs. DDR-II 400) and maintaining cycle times while doubling theoretical bandwidth is a huge win for device manufacturers like nVidia.
The R350 was "released" in early March and the NV35 is expected to be "released" in May. As "released" vs. "available" is a gray area, NV35 could be realistically available anywhere from 1 to 3 months after the R350, although anywhere from negative to positive infinity is possible. This is NOT the 6 months lead time some people seem to have assumed. nVidia has stated publicly that the delayed release/availability of NV30 did not greatly change the release date of NV35. The GeForce FX 5800 is thus almost still-born, but longer-term roadmaps remain largely in-place.
Finally, the NV35 is unlikely to be pitted against the R400 unless ATI moves up the R400 design from 2004 or nVidia misses a release. Based on the headroom in the R350, really ATI should be just fine for a Fall Refresh part (switch to DDR-II or GDDR-3, tune the core a little, raise clocks, done). Both companies expect their next major cores to arrive in 2004, presumably about this time next year.
DDR-II runs its address clock at twice the frequency of its internal DRAM core. Thus DDR-II 400 (200 MHz address clock) runs its core at 100 MHz, for a 10 ns cycle time. The DDR-II 1000 (500 MHz adress clock) memory used by the NV30 and presumably the NV35 is pushing data at 1 Gbit/s per pin, but its DRAM cells are only (heh. only.) cycling at 4 ns, not 2 ns like people have been discussing.
DDR-II memory cells actually have a longer cycle time at 1 Gbit/s per pin (500 MHz DDR) than does DDR-I operating at 650 Mbit/s per pin (325 MHz DDR), in fact apreciably so. This is why we are seeing a push to DDR-II now, and I guess GDDR-3 in the near-ish future; the memory interface can be scaled up faster than DRAM cycle times can be scaled down, so maintaining bandwidth while doubling cycle time is a huge load off the mind for desktop DRAM makers (DDR-I 400 vs. DDR-II 400) and maintaining cycle times while doubling theoretical bandwidth is a huge win for device manufacturers like nVidia.
The R350 was "released" in early March and the NV35 is expected to be "released" in May. As "released" vs. "available" is a gray area, NV35 could be realistically available anywhere from 1 to 3 months after the R350, although anywhere from negative to positive infinity is possible. This is NOT the 6 months lead time some people seem to have assumed. nVidia has stated publicly that the delayed release/availability of NV30 did not greatly change the release date of NV35. The GeForce FX 5800 is thus almost still-born, but longer-term roadmaps remain largely in-place.
Finally, the NV35 is unlikely to be pitted against the R400 unless ATI moves up the R400 design from 2004 or nVidia misses a release. Based on the headroom in the R350, really ATI should be just fine for a Fall Refresh part (switch to DDR-II or GDDR-3, tune the core a little, raise clocks, done). Both companies expect their next major cores to arrive in 2004, presumably about this time next year.
Shamrock
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THe big news here is, GTaudiophile, is the NV35, was UNDERCLOCKED to 250Mhz, and the Ati9800 Pro was at FULL clock speeds. The NV35 was 250Mhz and got 111FPS, compared to ATI's FULL speed and 128FPS? When NV35 gets FULL clock speeds, this thing is gonna be tough to beat, however...the price!
I also question the IQ setting thos benchmarks show. If its the same as in the NV30(performance or balanced) you are comparing apples to Oranges. If you want to compare it to ATI's quality settings FPS I hope they benched it in APPLICATION mode. I have my doubts on that however.
Your also comparing different AA mods. I would take ATI's rotated gamma corrected AA over the OG x4 of the FX anyday
Adul
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The way I look at it....Nvidia needs to say something soon, becasue there are alot of people out there in the May upgrade mood looking for a good GPU. I might have to do like alot of people do get a 9800 pro. Great an inoovative tech don't do anybody any good if it is not here.
DannyBoy
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Im holding back waiting for nVidia to come up with something good.
Ive stayed with nVidia right from the days I got my first GeForce 256 GPU.
Im used to nVidia now, and i dont like the idea of moving to ATI.
I remember using ATI graphics cards long before nVidia were around, and i dont miss them.
Perhaps I will be considering the 9800 Pro though, unless i hear of something good from nVidia soon.
I start a new job in 2 weeks, and after my first 4 weeks, when i recieve my first paycheck (Which will be a nice one) I will be buying a new computer setup.
The mobo & CPU i have chosen are going to be the obvious nForce2 combo.
As for Graphics Card, well I hope they do something good soon
Dan
Ive stayed with nVidia right from the days I got my first GeForce 256 GPU.
Im used to nVidia now, and i dont like the idea of moving to ATI.
I remember using ATI graphics cards long before nVidia were around, and i dont miss them.
Perhaps I will be considering the 9800 Pro though, unless i hear of something good from nVidia soon.
I start a new job in 2 weeks, and after my first 4 weeks, when i recieve my first paycheck (Which will be a nice one) I will be buying a new computer setup.
The mobo & CPU i have chosen are going to be the obvious nForce2 combo.
As for Graphics Card, well I hope they do something good soon
Dan
Man...I hear you....I have also been with Nvidia for a long long time and when I get my P4 Canterwood system, I would like a nice GPU to match it. Hopefully Nvidia will announce next month around the time that Intel CPU prices drop.
DannyBoy
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Yea, I would possibly consider intel, but only if the price was low enough, which im pretty sure it wont be.
I will be going nForce2 due to the insanely low prices compared to Intel Chipets & Chips, and the nice overclockability
Dan
apoppin
Lifer
Rumours . . . WE got RUMOURS - NV 40 and beyond (the Inq of course, yesterday)
I got more rumours . . .
DannyBoy
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Originally posted by: apoppin
Rumours . . . WE got RUMOURS - NV 40 and beyond (the Inq of course, yesterday)
I got more rumours . . .
Dats happy man, thats real happy.
I think the whole Inquirer Site is Happy.
I feel sorry for the people who believe that crap.
Would be kinda cool to see "NV40" at christmas, although we know this is not true...although who knows, perhaps nVidia is keeping a BIG secret (Which we all know is very unlikely)
DannyBoy
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Lol yeah I agree with you tom, there would be alot of annoyed people if that was the case.
Do you or anyone else know what the current draw is on the 9800?
mechBgon
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Ok, Google coughed this up: Power output of GFFX is ~75W and they say that's about 1/3 higher than a 9700 Pro, so the 9700 Pro must be in the neighborhood of 50-55W. The 9800 is built on 0.15-micron process like the 9700's, so it should be a bit higher, say 55-60W? Sound logical?
DannyBoy
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Do you trust what comes from the inquirer?
I mean I often wonder if half the stuff that ends up on their site was written by an 11yr old & then stolen off this kids site
Is there no reliable evidence for the power ratings of the NV35 based cards?
mechBgon
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For starters, what they publish seems often to come true. If you've got a laundry list of failed Inquirer predictions, I'd be interested to seeOriginally posted by: DannyBoy
Do you trust what comes from the inquirer?
I mean I often wonder if half the stuff that ends up on their site was written by an 11yr old & then stolen off this kids site
Is there no reliable evidence for the power ratings of the NV35 based cards?
As for their numbers in this case, it certainly sounds reasonable to me for the GeForce FX to have 75W of thermal output, or else they wouldn't need that crazy Dustbuster stuck to it (or an auxiliary power lead either). Eh?
However, I'll see if I can dredge up some hard data on either GPU at ATI's and nVidia's sites. Typically this is a lost cause because for some reason, they like to hide that kind of stuff from the consumers. Anand, you got any input on the official power draw of any of these GPUs?
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