NV35 Benchmarks from Cebit. 131% Faster than NV30..and its downclocked! Post from Anand Inside

JayPatel · Mar 20, 2003

Got this from NVNEWS....can you say :Q :Q :Q :Q

Our reader Lax was kind enough to translate and send in part of the article from chip.de's website. They mention some interesting stuff about the upcoming NV35 GPU.
NV35:
256 Bit Memory Bus
500MHz DDR I (Effective 1000MHz)
500MHz GPU
Low noise cooling solution (Different from NV30)

Here is the translation:

While running a quick benchmark in Quake3, 1600x1200, 4XAA and 8xAF it got 111 FPS, compared to a GeForce FX Ti5800 Ultra that got 48 FPS. However both chips were clocked at 250MHz because it was still a prototype, and they wanted to make an exact comparision to the NV30. So basically both were set to 250 in order to make a fair benchmark.

ElFenix · Mar 20, 2003

great, but can you really trust nvidia's settings to be accurate?

chizow · Mar 20, 2003

Originally posted by: ElFenix
great, but can you really trust nvidia's settings to be accurate?

Don't know how they would manage to pull a Quack, considering the people who allegedly witnessed this were hardware reviewers that do this kind of benchmarking all the time.

Chiz

dangereuxjeux · Mar 20, 2003

We have to be wary of early reports like these... but let's just say that if they can live up to these numbers, they will have a great product on their hands... be curious to see how they reached 500Mhz clock for both memory and chip if those numbers turn out to be accurate.

chizow · Mar 20, 2003

Originally posted by: dangereuxjeux
We have to be wary of early reports like these... but let's just say that if they can live up to these numbers, they will have a great product on their hands... be curious to see how they reached 500Mhz clock for both memory and chip if those numbers turn out to be accurate.

They downclocked the 5800 Ultra; probably b/c the NV35 is early silicon and is having problems running stably at higher clocks.

Edit: Btw, this is a repost, but I'm too lazy to dig

GTaudiophile · Mar 20, 2003

Guess nVidia hasn't learned that it was exactly this kind of hype that ended up screwing them with NV30

BoberFett · Mar 20, 2003

So basically, if those numbers are to be believed, the chip due out in a few months will be 4 times as fast as anything currently on the market?

If they pull it off, it'll be nothing short of astounding. But those kind of leaps are rarely made, so I'll believe it when I see it.

Also, where are they going to get 500 Mhz DDR? I didn't realize there was a pile of PC8000 chips sitting around waiting for Nvidia to use.

erikiksaz · Mar 20, 2003

4 times the speed of anything out there? Wasn't it just 4 times the speed of the old 5.8 ultra?

BoberFett · Mar 20, 2003

Originally posted by: erikiksaz
4 times the speed of anything out there? Wasn't it just 4 times the speed of the old 5.8 ultra?

Twice as fast as the 5800 Ultra, which is roughly as fast as the top ATI chip.

dangereuxjeux · Mar 20, 2003

twice as fast when underclocked, I thought this said... has anybody else heard anything about this display at cebit elsewhere... (hoping like hell that anand somehow manages to get a copy of this card a whole lot sooner than we might think so we can confirm these numbers, c'mon anand.)

erikiksaz · Mar 20, 2003

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: erikiksaz
4 times the speed of anything out there? Wasn't it just 4 times the speed of the old 5.8 ultra?

Click to expand...

Twice as fast as the 5800 Ultra, which is roughly as fast as the top ATI chip.

With that said, i don't understand this

the chip due out in a few months will be 4 times as fast as anything currently on the market?

Wasn't it known that one major weakness of the nv3x was the 128bit memory bus?

magomago · Mar 20, 2003

Whoa...I don't beleive it though b/c that is crazy. UNDERCLOCKED and it'll be TWICE as fast as the 9700pro!!!

I know the 9800pro is pretty much on par with the 9700pro until you crank up all the eye candy (whic is what everyone does) and then it defeats it pretty nicely...

But TWICE

WEll...maybe the price of the Geforce4s will actually fall :\

PraetorianGuards · Mar 20, 2003

Would be cool if it was true, but I doubt it.

Leon · Mar 20, 2003

It's twice as fast based on same clock speed, not 4x as fast. NV30 was downclocked to make it a fair comparison. Assuming NV35 will be clocked the same as NV30, it will be 2x faster than NV30 (based on these results), and 30-80% faster than R350, depending on situation.

Anand Lal Shimpi · Mar 20, 2003

Something you should take note of, look at the configuration in which the test was run (16x12, 4X AA, 8X AF); that should tell you a bit about NV35 already.

You won't hear anything from NVIDIA until the chip is ready to go, they're keen on not making the same mistakes over again. I'm not too surprised this test info got leaked, I saw it a couple of months ago

although I would expect tighter control from NVIDIA surrounding NV35

Take care,
Anand

chizow · Mar 20, 2003

Originally posted by: Anand Lal Shimpi
Something you should take note of, look at the configuration in which the test was run (16x12, 4X AA, 8X AF); that should tell you a bit about NV35 already.

You won't hear anything from NVIDIA until the chip is ready to go, they're keen on not making the same mistakes over again. I'm not too surprised this test info got leaked, I saw it a couple of months ago although I would expect tighter control from NVIDIA surrounding NV35

Take care,
Anand

:Q So I guess this brings validity to the news bit.

I want one now!!! ARgggghhh. Great point about the resolution. Looks like the 256-bit mem interface is confirmed, as that seemed to be the only thing holding the NV30 back in AA and AF settings at high resolutions. There should be a decent improvement w/out AA and AF though if they clock it the same as the 5800 Ultra. Time for that core to stretch its legs with its impressive fillrate. :Q I guess it would be too much to ask for an 8x2 pixel pipe though. Don't think an extra 5 million transistors is gonna get that done. Maybe tweaked memory controllers?

Bober, that's a good point about the memory speeds. Is there even 2ns DDR-I out there? I think some of the newer NV31, NV34, RV350 parts are shipping with fast RAM, like 2.5ns @ 400MHz. 500MHz though...hmm. I'm hoping a later revision cools it down as well....FlowFX is not something I want to hear when gaming.

Anand, quick question though. You seemed a lot more restrained in one of the flurry of articles you put out on the NV31/NV34/RV350 previews (I forgot which one) when alluding to the NV35. I know you mentioned you saw working samples, but your comments seemed to be mixed. Was this by design, or out of deference to nVidia? I did pick up the hint you dropped about it competing with the 9800pro and not the R400 as many believed.

Chiz

First · Mar 20, 2003

Originally posted by: chizow

Anand, quick question though. You seemed a lot more restrained in one of the flurry of articles you put out on the NV31/NV34/RV350 previews (I forgot which one) when alluding to the NV35. I know you mentioned you saw working samples, but your comments seemed to be mixed. Was this by design, or out of deference to nVidia? I did pick up the hint you dropped about it competing with the 9800pro and not the R400 as many believed.

Chiz

NVIDIA will send their NV35 Assassins Team to North Carolina if we say much more.

KhoiFather · Mar 20, 2003

Blah!

FishTankX · Mar 20, 2003

Holy crap! 32GB/s of raw memory bandwidth!

BentValve · Mar 20, 2003

Yeah baby!

Alekz · Mar 20, 2003

Was the memory also underclocked? If so, it is possible that the NV35 will have a slightly smaller advantage at final clockspeeds (i.e. the core could have 2.3X the fillrate of NV30, but the real-world memory bandwidth could be only 1.9X or something). DDR-I...hm, seems odd.

GTaudiophile · Mar 20, 2003

According to Anand's review of the Radeon 9800 PRO, it scores 128.5 FPS in QIII with 4X AA/8X Perf Ansio at 1600x1200x32.

I don't see the big news here. By the time NV35 is released, the Radeon 9800 PRO will cost much less and offer say 20-40 fewer FPS in said benchmark if that? And if nVidia releases NV35 this summer or fall, they'll be getting close to R400's release date.

jdogg707 · Mar 20, 2003

But they said it was clocked down by half the original specs for a fair comparison, so I would think that by increasing the speed by another 250MHZ for the final product we will see more than a 20-40 FPS differece.

Ferocious · Mar 20, 2003

Looks like NV35 will be to the 9800PRO what the 9800PRO is to the 5800 Ultra.

Nviida shouild be retaking the crown shortly.

GTaudiophile · Mar 20, 2003

Originally posted by: jdogg707
But they said it was clocked down by half the original specs for a fair comparison, so I would think that by increasing the speed by another 250MHZ for the final product we will see more than a 20-40 FPS differece.

I don't think another 250mhz is going to produce 222 FPS in that benchmark, sorry.

Yes, I expect nVidia to take the crown with NV35, but I also expect ATi to respond swiftly with R400.

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