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[pyroluv]

Amd should lock out nvidia cards on their motherboards so only ati cards can work on their mobo . I wonder where nvidia will go? to intel? seem like their relationship with intel aint doing that good .....

 

[Voo]

So all defenders of Nvidia think that as long as you wrote some code you can decide on which hw it will run.

I really hope that Intel doesn't read this here or gets similar thoughts on their own, because if they start doing this whenever they get a modern GPU, it'll get really ugly. "Game only works with Intel CPU+GPU!" - great PR stuff.

And hands down, Intel will have by FAR the largest budget for those things and who stops them from writing code for more important parts of a game? Only the developers, but if Intel has a good enough market share and "supports" them well enough, who knows.

If that or something similar ever happens I'm sure to remember this thread so we can see how some guys start changing their mind

 

[Genx87]

Amd should lock out nvidia cards on their motherboards so only ati cards can work on their mobo . I wonder where nvidia will go? to intel? seem like their relationship with intel aint doing that good .....

AMD did with Nvidia chipsets.

 

[Skurge]

AMD did with Nvidia chipsets.

Explain.

 

[Creig]

AMD did with Nvidia chipsets.

Please tell me you're not going to try and continue your "I couldn't get my All-In-Wonder TV Capture function working on an Nvidia motherboard so ATi must have deliberately disabled it" theory again...

 

[Genx87]

Please tell me you're not going to try and continue your "I couldn't get my All-In-Wonder TV Capture function working on an Nvidia motherboard so ATi must have deliberately disabled it" theory again...

I didnt realize that theory was proposed. Can you point to where I stated that?

 

[Creig]

I didnt realize that theory was proposed. Can you point to where I stated that?

I remember reading about it, but now I'm not so sure if it was you and wasn't somebody else. I apologize if I'm confusing you with somebody else. It was a really bizarre thread.

 

[Genx87]

I remember reading about it, but now I'm not so sure if it was you and wasn't somebody else. I apologize if I'm confusing you with somebody else.

Well I had a very hard time with my 9600 AIW driver installs. On reboot about 50% of the time it would grab 100% of the CPU at the highest priority. Couldnt even move the mouse.
But i just chalked that upto shitty driver install and not because the machine had an Nforce chipset

 

[NoQuarter]

I remember reading about it, but now I'm not so sure if it was you and wasn't somebody else. I apologize if I'm confusing you with somebody else. It was a really bizarre thread.

I thought that was BenSkywalker, saying the ATI All-In-Wonder wouldn't work if it wasn't the primary render device and that it wasn't stated on the box so we should be pissed about it, except that someone who actually used one posted that it does work, so..

 

[Creig]

ATI really did used to have crappy drivers back then, especially with their TV-Wonder and All-In-Wonder series. You had to go through about a dozen steps to install the drivers in the proper order to even have a hope of it working properly.

 

[Creig]

I thought that was BenSkywalker, saying the ATI All-In-Wonder wouldn't work if it wasn't the primary render device and that it wasn't stated on the box so we should be pissed about it, except that someone who actually used one posted that it does work, so..

Ah, that might have been it. It just stuck in my mind because (if it was Ben), he was adamant that ATi was doing it deliberately. I simply chalked it up to the crappy AIW drivers available at the time, having used TV-Wonders myself.

 

[railven]

AMD did with Nvidia chipsets.

AMD locked out nVidia chipsets from working with AMD processors/GPUs? When did that happen?

I got an nForce9 board that will disagree.

 

[Genx87]

AMD locked out nVidia chipsets from working with AMD processors/GPUs? When did that happen?

I got an nForce9 board that will disagree.

I thought AMD didnt renew Nvidia's license and any new AMD CPUs were to be off limit to Nvidia? Either way I didnt really care, just thought if they did that it is an example of AMD doing what he was proposing.

 

[GaiaHunter]

I thought AMD didnt renew Nvidia's license and any new AMD CPUs were to be off limit to Nvidia? Either way I didnt really care, just thought if they did that it is an example of AMD doing what he was proposing.

I'm not sure if NVIDIA isn't quitting the AMD chipset market, on their own accord, though. Think I've read something about it.

 

[Creig]

I thought AMD didnt renew Nvidia's license and any new AMD CPUs were to be off limit to Nvidia? Either way I didnt really care, just thought if they did that it is an example of AMD doing what he was proposing.

I think that was just Intel that blocked nVidia, not AMD :

PC Magazine also reported as an unexplained aside that work on AMD chipsets has also been halted, despite the fact that the Intel DMI issue should have no bearing on NVIDIA's AMD platform plans.

http://arstechnica.com/hardware/news/2009/10/day-of-nvidia-chipset-reckoning-arrives.ars

 

[railven]

I thought AMD didnt renew Nvidia's license and any new AMD CPUs were to be off limit to Nvidia? Either way I didnt really care, just thought if they did that it is an example of AMD doing what he was proposing.

Your post above seemed definite.

If AMD did do that (which they might have since there aren't many nForce 9 based boards, least that I could find), how is that different from what Intel did?

AMD doesn't have a need since they make their own NBs, and same with Intel. No reason to give up marketshare, but note - AMD still offers it, Intel doesn't.

 

[digitaldurandal]

Amd should lock out nvidia cards on their motherboards so only ati cards can work on their mobo . I wonder where nvidia will go? to intel? seem like their relationship with intel aint doing that good .....

They would lose a huge part of their market. You would make a terrible CEO. Nvidia discreet solutions dominate the market.

ATi is making great gpus, and AMDs cpus are okay too - but Intel and Nvidia have way too much marketshare for them to be able to do that

 

[yh125d]

They would lose a huge part of their market. You would make a terrible CEO. Nvidia discreet solutions dominate the market.

ATi is making great gpus, and AMDs cpus are okay too - but Intel and Nvidia have way too much marketshare for them to be able to do that

I thought ATI and NV discrete market shares were pretty near parity atm?


Not that it makes the situation any more viable

 

[thilanliyan]

I remember reading about it, but now I'm not so sure if it was you and wasn't somebody else. I apologize if I'm confusing you with somebody else. It was a really bizarre thread.

That was BenSkywalker.

 

[SlowSpyder]

That was BenSkywalker.

Yea, and I looked and found a .pdf of the manual for the 9600 AIW. It stated in the manual that it had to be the primary rendering unit to work as advertised. At least it was notated. Pulling the carpet out on AMD/Geforce PPU users is a completely different situation.

 

[BenSkywalker]

I thought that was BenSkywalker, saying the ATI All-In-Wonder wouldn't work if it wasn't the primary render device and that it wasn't stated on the box so we should be pissed about it, except that someone who actually used one posted that it does work, so..

Actually what happened is someone posted that ATi admitted they were stopping it in the manual and linked to it. It was not posted on the box however. I assure you I was quite right on the AIW not working when it is not the primary rendering card, it's just when ATi does the *exact same thing* as nVidia it is entirely in goodness with purity of heart evident. When nV does it it becomes evile. Praise Orton!

 

[NoQuarter]

Actually what happened is someone posted that ATi admitted they were stopping it in the manual and linked to it. It was not posted on the box however. I assure you I was quite right on the AIW not working when it is not the primary rendering card, it's just when ATi does the *exact same thing* as nVidia it is entirely in goodness with purity of heart evident. When nV does it it becomes evile. Praise Orton!

But someone posted right after you saying they had the card and that it worked...

 

[SlowSpyder]

Actually what happened is someone posted that ATi admitted they were stopping it in the manual and linked to it. It was not posted on the box however. I assure you I was quite right on the AIW not working when it is not the primary rendering card, it's just when ATi does the *exact same thing* as nVidia it is entirely in goodness with purity of heart evident. When nV does it it becomes evile. Praise Orton!

Regarding what you bolded...

ATI sold their AIW part than later changed the requirements (after they took your money) to no Nvidia parts as the primary rendering card with their part after it had worked for many months? Because the manual clearly states that you cannot use any other card as the primary rendering unit. Seems to be not at all the 'exact same thing'.

Nvidia sold GeForce 8 series and above parts as Physx capable. They sold them to be used as parts for outputing graphics as well as to be used as stand alone PPU's. Later on, after they happily had your money, they changed the requirements to no AMD parts as the primary rendering unit... the same parts they sold without that requirement earlier and that worked fine.

Do you see the difference? One was sold and the manual stated that it had to be the primary rendering unit to have all functions. The other sold without said requirement, than changed that after they already had sold who knows how many for PPU functionality with AMD cards.

 

[waffleironhead]

Actually what happened is someone posted that ATi admitted they were stopping it in the manual and linked to it. It was not posted on the box however. I assure you I was quite right on the AIW not working when it is not the primary rendering card, it's just when ATi does the *exact same thing* as nVidia it is entirely in goodness with purity of heart evident. When nV does it it becomes evile. Praise Orton!

So the AIW cards worked previously and then ATI came along and locked them out in a driver update? Thats good to know. Thats about the only way it could be " the exact same thing". One is from the start stating a limitation, another is removing previously working configurations.

 

[thilanliyan]

Praise Orton!

Are you trying to be nCharlie?