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NV 4060 / 4060TI reviews
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Heartbreaker
Diamond Member
I don't usually watch the Q&A, but their reactions were pretty funny.
20% cheaper than what now? There doesn't really seem to be an official AMD price, just various deals/sales, and I never very good ones at Amazon.ca (The only place I will buy for reasons).
If I had seen 6800 XT for $650 CAD, or a 6800 for $550 CAD, I would have bought one. That would been cheaper enough to miss out on the NVidia features, but even then, I wouldn't be that enthusiastic, because I really don't want RDNA2 at this point. I'd prefer the latest generation with AV1 encoders and latest features, so if it was about the same performance, I'd MUCH prefer a RDNA3 7800 over RDNA 6800 XT. Features do matter, so a NVidia ADA is not only a newer generation of features, but it's also has NVidia lead on features.
But there is also the problem, that AMD doesn't want a price war, where in the end you just end up in the same relative position, just at lower margins...
Aapje
Golden Member
I think that you are wrong because they just pick a price that will sell (or actually a price above that and then discount until it starts selling). They actually want more sales for RDNA2 than for 3, because they have a glut of RDNA2 cards, but can just produce fewer RDNA3 cards. So the price/performance for the new cards will probably remain stagnant or even be a bit worse.
Daniel-San has a vid up. Not bringing much value vs the 6800XT for gaming
Heartbreaker
Diamond Member
I don't need a video to show that. Obviously, if choosing between those two at the same price for gaming, get the 6800XT, it outperforms 4060 Ti by about 30% (at 1440p, ~40% at 4K), so a completely different performance class above.
The problem here all along, is that 6800 XT are more like 4070 price, in which case, I'd just get the 4070.
Today, it's 4070: $797 CAD, vs 6800 Xt $773 CAD, and there are no 4060 Ti 16GB at my preferred outlet Amazon.ca ($680 CAD at newegg).
None of these are very compelling to me, but I'd definitely choose 4070 out the three.
GodisanAtheist
Diamond Member
In the US, the 6800xt is ~$530 on Amazon, while the 4070 is ~$590.
The 4060ti 8GB is ~$400, and the 16gb version is an outrageous $600 (only one model in stock). Found more for $500 at Newegg.
The 4060ti 8GB is ~$400, and the 16gb version is an outrageous $600 (only one model in stock). Found more for $500 at Newegg.
Heartbreaker
Diamond Member
At those prices, I'd choose 4070 there as well.
The complete lack of stock on 16GB 4060 Ti, is strange. Yes it's ridiculously overpriced, but so is the 8GB version and everyone built tons of those.
Did NVidia twist arms to build the 8GB version, and for 16GB version, just told them to do whatever they felt like?
igor_kavinski
Lifer
They could just be testing the waters. If all available 4060 Ti 16GB stock sells out, they may go with a larger manufacturing batch. But it really depends on how wise gamers are (most of them aren't).
My advice to the moron named Jensen would be to price 4060 8GB at $350 and rename it to 4050 Ti. Cancel 4060 Ti 8GB and just make the 4060 Ti 16GB @ $475.
SteveGrabowski
Diamond Member
Why? The 6800 XT performs the same when not VRAM limited and has 4GB more of VRAM while costing $60 less.
Heartbreaker
Diamond Member
Performs the same at raster. A GPU is more than just Raster gaming.
6800 XT lacks DLSS, lacks AV1 encoder, Lacks AI cores, has much weaker RT, and has less support/performance in productivity use cases.
If the only thing that matters to you is raster performance, by all mean save the $60.
I think the extras are well worth the $60.
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SteveGrabowski
Diamond Member
Are you a streamer, an AI researcher, or use CUDA a lot? Then yeah the 6800 XT wouldn't make much sense. If not I think I'd value the extra 4GB of VRAM over DLSS being significantly better than FSR when upscaling from 1080p and below. With RT being so VRAM heavy I also wouldn't think too much of the 4070's ability to hold onto that big lead on RT performance it has right now. Don't really see the 4070 as the kind of gpu you'd get to run heavy RT since for instance Cyberpunk barely gets to 60 fps at 1080p with heavy RT effects on a 4070 and that's one of the few big games designed for PC first. Just seems more like a price class where you'd focus on raster and say light RT effects, eg maybe turning reflections on at low to medium settings and turning off RT shadows that hurt performance pretty badly while not offering a ton of visual improvement. I just don't see the appeal of Nvidia's 4000 series gaming cards other than the 4090, which AMD has no answer for.
If Remnant II is a fair preview of what UE5 games will require in terms of GPU horsepower, then 4060/Ti are horribly priced given the fatal flaw of 8GB on a new GPU in 2023.
As far as AV1, Twitch still doesn't support it and the gold standard for streamers is still to use a dedicated streaming PC with CPU rendering for the quality.
As far as AV1, Twitch still doesn't support it and the gold standard for streamers is still to use a dedicated streaming PC with CPU rendering for the quality.
Heartbreaker
Diamond Member
Are you arbiter of what other people value? You asked, so I answered for myself, and as I said, if you don't value the extras you free to choose otherwise.
And I'll take the 62 FPS of RT Cyberpunk over the 6800xts 38 FPS any day.
BFG10K
Lifer
6800XT destroys 4060TI 16GB while costing the same $500. It's faster overall even in ray tracing, would you believe.
It uses a lot more power though, so that's a negative.
MLID says NV is cutting back all 4000 production:
He also says there's a huge stockpile of cards sitting in warehouses which NV is intentionally holding back to keep prices high. If true, customers just need to hold off another 6-18 months and this'll break NV, since they can't sit on the stock indefinitely, as eventually it'll permanently lose value. The cards are generally useless for corporate AI, especially the lower VRAM ones.
Also shareholders won't accept millions of dollars of GPU stockpiles depreciating like that.
It uses a lot more power though, so that's a negative.
MLID says NV is cutting back all 4000 production:
He also says there's a huge stockpile of cards sitting in warehouses which NV is intentionally holding back to keep prices high. If true, customers just need to hold off another 6-18 months and this'll break NV, since they can't sit on the stock indefinitely, as eventually it'll permanently lose value. The cards are generally useless for corporate AI, especially the lower VRAM ones.
Also shareholders won't accept millions of dollars of GPU stockpiles depreciating like that.
I prefer the performance/power of the 4060 ti over the 6800xt, and would choose the 4060 ti given those options,
but, it does look unimpressive from pure performance and price, it's not a very exciting product, the older 60s managed to hold more appeal back in their day, still wouldn't go for a power hungry last gen high end card as a good alternative. since 300w TDP has been made normal for that sort of card.
but, I'm totally not in the market for a $500 card.
but, it does look unimpressive from pure performance and price, it's not a very exciting product, the older 60s managed to hold more appeal back in their day, still wouldn't go for a power hungry last gen high end card as a good alternative. since 300w TDP has been made normal for that sort of card.
but, I'm totally not in the market for a $500 card.
Heartbreaker
Diamond Member
Price shifts things a lot. If there was that kind of pricing here, I would get a 6800XT, but the best pricing here today in my Amazon wishlist (Canadian - sold by Amazon):
DUAL-RTX4060TI-O8G by Asus $529.99
ZOTAC Gaming GeForce RTX 4060 Ti 16GB $636.27
XFX Speedster SWFT 319 AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT $767.42 (This is about as low as I've seen it at Amazon).
ZOTAC Gaming GeForce RTX 4070 Twin Edge OC $789.99
Here, 6800 XT is near 4070 price, and if I'm spending that much, it's an easy choice in favor of the 4070.
Both 4060 Ti 8G/16GB are too expensive for what you get, but if I decide to go cheaper, i'd be more likely to go 8GB to save more and lower a couple of settings, so I'd probably not buy either the 6800XT or 16GB 4060 Ti.
Thunder 57
Diamond Member
The 6800 XT is a way better buy than the 4060 Ti. All the 4060 Ti 16GB has going for it is power efficiency.
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Heartbreaker
Diamond Member
As above. Depends on the price, without pricing, that's a meaningless statement.
Thunder 57
Diamond Member
Can't help it prices in your country are unfavorable.
SteveGrabowski
Diamond Member
Is Amazon a must? Because I saw a 6800 XT at $698 on ca.pcpartpicker.com. Of course I don't know how reliable shoprbc.com is or whether they get you back with high shipping fees and such.
TESKATLIPOKA
Platinum Member
For $499 MRSP I would at least want 20gbps memory and Full Ada106. You truly pay $100 for only 8GB more, the rest is the same.
This way you could gain a bit higher performance and better perf/$.
4060Ti vs RX 6800XT
AMD is actually 27%-33%-40% faster in raster, but only 3%-6%-9% faster in RT on average. TPU
It will depend on price difference and If you want to play with RT or not.
Still. I would rather choose from RX 7800XT and RTX 4070.
RTX 4070 would be my top choice, but that 12GB Vram is seriously not to my liking.
Heartbreaker
Diamond Member
No disagreement. It's the worse perf/$ card of an underwhelming generation.
I don't consider that the real contest. For months here, the actual price equivalent models are 4070 vs 6800 XT, and obviously the 4070 has a much stronger case.
Definitely interested in seeing 7800 XT, but expect it will be priced at least $550, and I wouldn't even be surprised if AMD priced it at $600.
igor_kavinski
Lifer
That Videocardz article about AIB partners not interested in putting out 4060 Ti 16GB? They should send their source to a hospital with a flying kick.
All horrendously priced here, though. $567 for the Zotac to $706 for the ROG Strix.
All horrendously priced here, though. $567 for the Zotac to $706 for the ROG Strix.
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