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[Lucky]

lock me please

 

[Scipionix]

Originally posted by: Lucky
I've heard this all over the news, with jews and isreal reaming the US for not declaring yesterday's airport shooting terrorism. Now assuming he acted alone and there wasnt a plot linked to terrorist orgainizations, someone explain to me how a lone guy killing two people can be terrorism while similar crimes not involving jews are just hate crimes?

Why does isreal automatically assume it to be "terrorism" simply because jews were targeted?

"Hate crimes" are silly. Murder is murder. But murder can also be terrorism.

 

[Lucky]

so at what point does a "hate crime" (I dislike them as well, BTW) become terrorism?

 

[Spook]

Its not about who is killing who... Its about the intentions behind them... If you want to get right down to it, I guess you could say the KKK were/are terrorists...

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: Lucky
so at what point does a "hate crime" (I dislike them as well, BTW) become terrorism?

There really is no definition per say that I am aware of. In modern times terrorism is generally defined as an act committed against civilian targets designed to inspire fear and terror in the populace with the hope of achieving some political or social end. Pehaps the reason the Israelis are calling the LAX incident terrorism is that there might well have been many more people killed and injured if not for the fast actions of the security personnel on the scene.

 

[Scipionix]

Originally posted by: Lucky
so at what point does a "hate crime" (I dislike them as well, BTW) become terrorism?

I guess the distinction is supposed to be that racial hatred merely forms part of the motive in a hate crime, while with a terrorist act part of the motive must be political. I think hate crime laws are moronic, because it shouldn't matter why someone killed another for purposes of sentencing, at least not beyond the malice and premeditation standards. In this case I suppose we can't be sure of the shooter's motives, but I find it hard to believe that his actions were not intended to have political ramifications.

EDIT and clarification: I do not mean to say that terrorism as a motive should have an effect on sentencing either, except to discriminate different degrees of murder. But I have no problem with calling this a terrorist act.

 

[Lucky]

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: Lucky
so at what point does a "hate crime" (I dislike them as well, BTW) become terrorism?

There really is no definition per say that I am aware of. In modern times terrorism is generally defined as an act committed against civilian targets designed to inspire fear and terror in the populace with the hope of achieving some political or social end. Pehaps the reason the Israelis are calling the LAX incident terrorism is that there might well have been many more people killed and injured if not for the fast actions of the security personnel on the scene.

Interesting...

 

[Miramonti]

Israel was whining to call this terrorism before there were any facts released. They do their best to win the propaganda war, while at the same time they kill a palestinian suspect with a car bomb yesterday. They incite more terror into the palestinian people than the opposite, thus they are equally terrorists by even their own definitions.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Lucky
so at what point does a "hate crime" (I dislike them as well, BTW) become terrorism?

There really is no definition per say that I am aware of. In modern times terrorism is generally defined as an act committed against civilian targets designed to inspire fear and terror in the populace with the hope of achieving some political or social end. Pehaps the reason the Israelis are calling the LAX incident terrorism is that there might well have been many more people killed and injured if not for the fast actions of the security personnel on the scene.[/quote]
I agree. I think murder becomes terrorism when it's being done to make a political point. Also, terrorism is when murder is being commited in hope of terrorizing the population.

 

[Scipionix]

Originally posted by: jjsole
Israel was whining to call this terrorism <STRONG>before</STRONG> there were<STRONG> any</STRONG> facts released.

What makes you think they didn't get the facts right away from the dozen or so El Al employees who witnessed the event or from American law enforcement? Just because the American public was not told the facts right away does not mean that the Israeli government did not have them. I am rather sure that they did.

They do their best to win the propaganda war

Their best isn't very good, obviously.

while at the same time they kill a palestinian suspect with a car bomb yesterday.

That's what happens when you show Arafat proof that a guy is a terrorist leader and Arafat repeatedly refuses to do a damn thing about it.

They incite more terror into the palestinian people than the opposite, thus they are equally terrorists by even their own definitions.

Now you're just being silly.

 

[Lucky]

from cnn:

"FBI now believes the egyptian national came to LAX airport intending to kill"[/i].

Thank you, captain obvious.

 

[Lucky]

while at the same time they kill a palestinian suspect with a car bomb yesterday.

nothing wrong with that. Its the same as a assasination by gunfire. they are in a war, people die.

 

[Scipionix]

Originally posted by: Lucky
from cnn:
"FBI now believes the egyptian national came to LAX airport intending to kill[/i].
Thank you, captain obvious.

Yep, loaded .45, loaded 9mm, extra magazines for both, knife . . . maybe he just forgot he had them. 😀

I hope I'm not the first one to think that Los Angeles International Airport's three letter code is now the basis for a horribly tasteless pun.

 

[Stark]

Why does white killing blacks=hate crime, but arab killing a jew=terrorism?

1. a white killing a black should not necessarily be labeled a hate crime, unless your name is johnny cochran. In a hate crime the killer must care about the victim enough to actually hate.

2. in 99% of the cases where an arab murders a jew, he was motivated by a religion and culture that told him it was the right thing to do. A terroist does not care about the individual he kills, only the message that the killing sends.

 

[Murphyrulez]

I just wanted to say that I was not surprised to see the man's name who killed the 2 people yesterday in LAX:Hesham Mohamed Hadayet.

How did I know it would have a Mohamed in it?

 

[Random Variable]

Originally posted by: jjsole
Israel was whining to call this terrorism <STRONG>before</STRONG> there were<STRONG> any</STRONG> facts released. They do their best to win the propaganda war, while at the same time they kill a palestinian suspect with a car bomb yesterday. They incite more terror into the palestinian people than the opposite, thus they are equally terrorists by even their own definitions.

I was about to be very critical of Israel's use of the word "terrorism," but after reading your asinine post, I have changed my mind. :disgust:

 

[Miramonti]

What makes you think they didn't get the facts right away from the dozen or so El Al employees who witnessed the event or from American law enforcement?

No, I don't think so. Just as reports were coming out about it, the labeled it immediately. The id/nationality of the person wasn't even released yet.

They incite more terror into the palestinian people than the opposite, thus they are equally terrorists by even their own definitions. Now you're just being silly.

No, this is true too. The have killed more people as well as decimated the infrastructure of the palestinian lands, decimated the economy, decimated homes, fired on innocent civilians who were confused about a curfew, etc. If this isn't terror I don't know what is...not to mention that I haven't got a silly bone in my body.

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: Lucky

while at the same time they kill a palestinian suspect with a car bomb yesterday.

nothing wrong with that. Its the same as a assasination by gunfire. they are in a war, people die.

Perhaps, but its without regard to possible innocent lives that can be lost in the process. This is "terror" and this is the same trigger-happy wrecklessness that Israel has been applying this past year+, while they always claim to not target civilians, they do not try very hard to avoid them, and this creates a war of hostility that they will never win.

 

[Scipionix]

Originally posted by: jjsole No, this is true too. The have killed more people

How does that make them wrong?

as well as decimated the infrastructure of the palestinian lands,

the PA infrastucture, i.e. the terrorist state infrastructure

decimated the economy,

only by prohibiting access to green line Israel, which just shows that the Palestinians have no economy of their own and are completely parasitic, relying entirely on Israel to provide them with jobs.

decimated homes,

You can't decimate a home. And if they do bulldoze homes that are either occupied by terrorists as a defensive measure or demolish the homes of suicide bombers as a deterrent, fine with me.

fired on innocent civilians who were confused about a curfew, etc.

Confused people should not be running toward soldiers at night, especially when suicide bombers work this way.

if this isn't terror I don't know what is...not to mention that I haven't got a silly bone in my body.

Can't help you there.

 

[Random Variable]

When Israel fights back, they are vituperated the world over. But if they were to not fight back, their civilians would be slaughtered on a daily basis. It's a no-win situation if you ask me.

 

[thebestMAX]

Got to give the Israelis credit. They solved THIS PARTICULAR problem in less than 15 seconds.

No wounding, taking prisoners or negotiating let alone 60K per year to house this scum. He picked on innocents, not soldiers, he deserved no mercy.

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: Scipionix

Originally posted by: jjsole Israel was whining to call this terrorism before there were any facts released.

What makes you think they didn't get the facts right away from the dozen or so El Al employees who witnessed the event or from American law enforcement? Just because the American public was not told the facts right away does not mean that the Israeli government did not have them. I am rather sure that they did.

They do their best to win the propaganda war

Their best isn't very good, obviously.

while at the same time they kill a palestinian suspect with a car bomb yesterday.

That's what happens when you show Arafat proof that a guy is a terrorist leader and Arafat repeatedly refuses to do a damn thing about it.

They incite more terror into the palestinian people than the opposite, thus they are equally terrorists by even their own definitions.

Now you're just being silly.

Don't believe everthing you hear, especially the part about civilians running towards soldiers! lol

 

[Lucky]

Originally posted by: thebestMAX
Got to give the Israelis credit. They solved THIS PARTICULAR problem in less than 15 seconds.

No wounding, taking prisoners or negotiating let alone 60K per year to house this scum. He picked on innocents, not soldiers, he deserved no mercy.

I agree. 🙂

 

[Murphyrulez]

Originally posted by: jjsole


No, I don't think so. Just as reports were coming out about it, the labeled it immediately. The id/nationality of the person wasn't even released yet.

Ummmm... Your level of intellect is amazing.

Who do you think shot the SOB dead? An El Al security officer. Who do you think were the first people to touch his body, search him for identification? El Al security. How soon do you suppose El Al security got on the phone to their superiors in Israel? Maybe ummmm... 1 minute?

Just because CNN didn't know who the guy was for 4 hours doesn't mean Israel didn't.

Think first, before spouting your anti-Semetic BS.

 

[mrCide]

Originally posted by: Murphyrulez

Originally posted by: jjsole


No, I don't think so. Just as reports were coming out about it, the labeled it immediately. The id/nationality of the person wasn't even released yet.

Ummmm... Your level of intellect is amazing.

Who do you think shot the SOB dead? An El Al security officer. Who do you think were the first people to touch his body, search him for identification? El Al security. How soon do you suppose El Al security got on the phone to their superiors in Israel? Maybe ummmm... 1 minute?

Just because CNN didn't know who the guy was for 4 hours doesn't mean Israel didn't.

Think first, before spouting your anti-Semetic BS.

i love how just because you have a different opinion, you're anti-semetic. and does scipionix remind anyone of tex?