Castle Bravo is about the best demonstration of what happens when a TMD is detonated. The stages it depicts are classic in any instantaneous release of colossal energies.
Pretend that you are invincible and a TMD was detonated 2 kM away. At first, you see a great white flash of light. It is so bright that you can't see anything. It's like taking a picture of total darkness and making it a negative. The temperature starts rising. Everything around you immediately starts smoking. The longwave IR travels at the speed of light and there are copious amounts of it. Anything remotely flammable begins to burn. It has been three seconds since the detonation. The ground starts shaking like a 8.0. Then you hear a roar of a freight train. This is the shockwave that is propagating away at 2000 km/hour. The windspeeds increase immediately to mach 1.2. All buildings around you not made of reinforced concrete are immediately turned to splinters and dust. Large metal structures bend, if they're extremely heavy and well made they may still stand back up after the shock wave passes. Most are pulled out of the ground and tossed. Cars are crushed like soda cans. Tractor trailer containers are ripped open and their contents shredded and deposited everywhere. Fierce firestorms erupt and burn bright blue-white. It has been 25 seconds since the detonation.
In a real world scenario, if a TMD were deployed and successfully detonated, losses would of course be very high. Even if you were 30 kM away from today's largest nukes, you could still get severely burned by the IR radiation. The affect of the ionising radiation and overall contamination is so severe and has so many effects I won't even begin to discuss them!
TMD's are great to prevent the attack on our country! Real deployment is VERY bad, as is testing them! Underwater nuclear testing was done as recently as 1995 by France. (albeit with great protest and rightfully so)
Of course, today's biggest fear (unlike that of the 60's and 70's of the US and USSR pushing buttons) is the Third World Countries producing (read: buying from a nuclear capable country) a device and using it.
Cheers!
Pretend that you are invincible and a TMD was detonated 2 kM away. At first, you see a great white flash of light. It is so bright that you can't see anything. It's like taking a picture of total darkness and making it a negative. The temperature starts rising. Everything around you immediately starts smoking. The longwave IR travels at the speed of light and there are copious amounts of it. Anything remotely flammable begins to burn. It has been three seconds since the detonation. The ground starts shaking like a 8.0. Then you hear a roar of a freight train. This is the shockwave that is propagating away at 2000 km/hour. The windspeeds increase immediately to mach 1.2. All buildings around you not made of reinforced concrete are immediately turned to splinters and dust. Large metal structures bend, if they're extremely heavy and well made they may still stand back up after the shock wave passes. Most are pulled out of the ground and tossed. Cars are crushed like soda cans. Tractor trailer containers are ripped open and their contents shredded and deposited everywhere. Fierce firestorms erupt and burn bright blue-white. It has been 25 seconds since the detonation.
In a real world scenario, if a TMD were deployed and successfully detonated, losses would of course be very high. Even if you were 30 kM away from today's largest nukes, you could still get severely burned by the IR radiation. The affect of the ionising radiation and overall contamination is so severe and has so many effects I won't even begin to discuss them!
TMD's are great to prevent the attack on our country! Real deployment is VERY bad, as is testing them! Underwater nuclear testing was done as recently as 1995 by France. (albeit with great protest and rightfully so)
Of course, today's biggest fear (unlike that of the 60's and 70's of the US and USSR pushing buttons) is the Third World Countries producing (read: buying from a nuclear capable country) a device and using it.
Cheers!
Ok, fine. We can ban it. But what about the Russians? The Chinese? The Iraqis? Bin laden? They would have a massive advantage over us. We get nuked. All you anti-nuke people die. End of story.
"Nuclear weapons are the "greatest" form of warfare in existance. How many people died in the Cold War? How many people died in WW1+WW2? Their ability to wreak destruction is high, which, considering that we only have one planet, is a good thing. Think about it."
The Problem is, it only takes one nuclear war to end it all.
WW1, WW2 were both great wars in size, scale, and length, as well as impact, but one nuclear war would greatly surpass any previous war. How many years do you think we could go without having one, with the threat of having one existing all the time? Thats just my opinion.
Anyone heard the famous speech "vishnu" made by oppenheimer after the declaration and explosion of the first atom bomb? If not here's a link! I love his speech.
The sounds a bit poor, but trust me, you'll want to hear this. Its incredibly poetic yet powerful.
-M.T.O
The Problem is, it only takes one nuclear war to end it all.
WW1, WW2 were both great wars in size, scale, and length, as well as impact, but one nuclear war would greatly surpass any previous war. How many years do you think we could go without having one, with the threat of having one existing all the time? Thats just my opinion.
Anyone heard the famous speech "vishnu" made by oppenheimer after the declaration and explosion of the first atom bomb? If not here's a link! I love his speech.
The sounds a bit poor, but trust me, you'll want to hear this. Its incredibly poetic yet powerful.
-M.T.O
The problem is profoundly greater that almost anyone suspects. Humanity IS insane, but humanity doesn't know it, doesn't want to know it, and doesn't want to know it doesn't want to know. There can be no journey to health without a prior realization of the need for that journey. There is no way around seeing, but to see you have to look. Like everything else, also, there is nothing really more important that anybody can do to save the world than heal himself. The problem is that, inwardly, everybody has suffered maximum defeat and feels totally helpless. It is a lie, but to see it is a lie requires suffering feeling how true it feels. Like I say, it's a tough situation. In order to live we have to die. How many prefer the real thing? Now that you know the truth, notice how it doesn't mean anything.
I see old Moony has been smokin' the "ganja" again....you have to lay off that stuff man.......
Anway, you can't put the genie back in the bottle. Weapons of mass destruction are here to stay. All we can do is handle them responsibly at this point as well as evaluate any possible defense against a first strike scenario by some of the wackos out there.........
Anway, you can't put the genie back in the bottle. Weapons of mass destruction are here to stay. All we can do is handle them responsibly at this point as well as evaluate any possible defense against a first strike scenario by some of the wackos out there.........
well, if every nuclear weapon was to spontaneously blow up, some reports say that power will destroy earth 500x over. In that case, I think we crazy!
I'm guessing once just isn't enough... gotta blow ourselves up 500 times to be happy!!! idiot!
I'm guessing once just isn't enough... gotta blow ourselves up 500 times to be happy!!! idiot!
<<WW1, WW2 were both great wars in size, scale, and length, as well as impact, but one nuclear war would greatly surpass any previous war. How many years do you think we could go without having one, with the threat of having one existing all the time? Thats just my opinion.>>
Forever as long as you aren't dealing with someone that wants to end the earth. The nuclear weapons program was concieved and authorized by Eisenhower. He recognized that a weapon of that power and in number held in stock with the ability to use them would prevent a nuclear war from ever happening. The strategy is called MAD, Mutually Assured Destruction. The principle is that even if you strike first you cannot and will not win a nuclear war. No one wins, hence why fight? The US's triad defense of arial bombers, concelead minuteman missles and nuclear submarines guarantees that no matter how effective or concealed a first strike is that fire will be returned and the world ends.
The big fear is that some radical christain trying to bring the second coming of christ will use one and trigger a nuke war.
Forever as long as you aren't dealing with someone that wants to end the earth. The nuclear weapons program was concieved and authorized by Eisenhower. He recognized that a weapon of that power and in number held in stock with the ability to use them would prevent a nuclear war from ever happening. The strategy is called MAD, Mutually Assured Destruction. The principle is that even if you strike first you cannot and will not win a nuclear war. No one wins, hence why fight? The US's triad defense of arial bombers, concelead minuteman missles and nuclear submarines guarantees that no matter how effective or concealed a first strike is that fire will be returned and the world ends.
The big fear is that some radical christain trying to bring the second coming of christ will use one and trigger a nuke war.
Rahvin, have you been getting into Moony's "ganja" also?
"The big fear is that some radical christain trying to bring the second coming of christ will use one and trigger a nuke war."
I would be much more worried about Bin Laden and or some other Middle Eastern terrorist than any Christian......"The Quran declares that "those who are slain in Allah's way" are not dead, but alive (3:169),[11] and this has often been interpreted to mean that any fighter who is killed in a jihad attains automatic salvation"
"The big fear is that some radical christain trying to bring the second coming of christ will use one and trigger a nuke war."
I would be much more worried about Bin Laden and or some other Middle Eastern terrorist than any Christian......"The Quran declares that "those who are slain in Allah's way" are not dead, but alive (3:169),[11] and this has often been interpreted to mean that any fighter who is killed in a jihad attains automatic salvation"
urameatball:
<< well, if every nuclear weapon was to spontaneously blow up, some reports say that power will destroy earth 500x over. In that case, I think we crazy! >>
Please quote your scource, I think you made it up.
Bleep
<< well, if every nuclear weapon was to spontaneously blow up, some reports say that power will destroy earth 500x over. In that case, I think we crazy! >>
Please quote your scource, I think you made it up.
Bleep
urameatball: I think the figure is much closer to 3x, not 500x anyway. Also, why would nukes spontaneously blow up? Nuclear weapons are not so unstable they will spontaneously detonate.
<< The Problem is, it only takes one nuclear war to end it all.
WW1, WW2 were both great wars in size, scale, and length, as well as impact, but one nuclear war would greatly surpass any previous war. How many years do you think we could go without having one, with the threat of having one existing all the time? Thats just my opinion. >>
I agree, if nuclear war were to start, it would result in almost entire annihilation of the human race eventually, but chances are it won't happen. Even the insane middle-eastern terrorists probably wouldn't risk starting a nuclear war, because there are no winners. The good thing about nuclear weapons is that it prevents wars from having a winner. If no one can win, no one will play the game in the first place.
It's not a sure thing, but chances are, war won't break out while we still have nukes.
<< The big fear is that some radical christain trying to bring the second coming of christ will use one and trigger a nuke war. >>
I agree, if some idiot religious group - christian, islamic, muslim, whatever - gets their hand on nukes, we could be in for trouble. If we're smart, we might 'ignore' a single detonated (not launched via missile, but detonated from a bomb) nuke rather than respond by retalliating in the same manner. Who knows...
I agree, if nuclear war were to start, it would result in almost entire annihilation of the human race eventually, but chances are it won't happen. Even the insane middle-eastern terrorists probably wouldn't risk starting a nuclear war, because there are no winners. The good thing about nuclear weapons is that it prevents wars from having a winner. If no one can win, no one will play the game in the first place.
Exactly.. it keeps us in check big time
Exactly.. it keeps us in check big time
<< One of the most powerful explosions in human history (well one that was recorded anyway) was natural. When Krakatau went up in 1883, it has been estimated to be about 10 000 hiroshima bombs. Not that this has anything to do with the subject, but still. >>
the Hiroshima nuke was 21 Kton
the largest nuke available now is ~100 Mton or about 5000 times that
We have more than enough nukes to beat krakatau by a couple of orders of magnitude
BTW: for those of you opposed to nuclear power plants: the average coal power plant produces more radioactive material(due to the radioactive isotopes of carbon and other impurities) that a nuclear power plant producing the same amount of power. And the radioactive material is dumpend straight into the atmosphere without any measures to contain it.
if everybody in china jumped up at the same time that could knock the earth out of its present orbit
Common knowledge CKY, common knowledge........
Actually, they have been planning emergency procedures in case an asteroid is heading for Earth. They discovered that by having all of the people in China jump, they could shift the orbit of the Earth and avoid the asteroid. Hopefully it will never come to that....
Actually, they have been planning emergency procedures in case an asteroid is heading for Earth. They discovered that by having all of the people in China jump, they could shift the orbit of the Earth and avoid the asteroid. Hopefully it will never come to that....
First above-water explosion.
Project name: unknown
Date: year 1946
Loading: about 20 kilotons
Video: 40 sec, 1.9M, ASF
This one is so funny, there are people on boats all around the xplosion!!n HAHA
Project name: unknown
Date: year 1946
Loading: about 20 kilotons
Video: 40 sec, 1.9M, ASF
This one is so funny, there are people on boats all around the xplosion!!n HAHA
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