Nuclear Weapons, are we insane!!

Czar

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It all seems so far away when you read about it or hear something about it, but when you see the effects like this then it changes everything. The last ones are the most scary.

I mean why would anyone want these things? even if they are not used just the posibility of one going of in a populated area is enough to make them to dangerous.

First nuclear explosion.
Project name: Trinity
Date: 16.07.1945, 5:29
Loading: 21 kilotons
Video: 39 sec, 1.8M, ASF
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Hiroshima. View from onboard camera of american bomber.
Project name: LittleBoy
Date: 06.08.1945, 8:15
Loading: 15 kilotons
Video: 22 sec, 1.0M, ASF
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Nagasaki. View from onboard camera of american bomber.
Project name: Fatman
Äàòà: 09.08.1945, 11:02
Loading: 20 kilotons
Video: 13 sec, 0.7M, ASF
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First above-water explosion.
Project name: unknown
Date: year 1946
Loading: about 20 kilotons
Video: 40 sec, 1.9M, ASF
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First under-water explosion.
Project name: Baker
Date: 26.07.1946, 8:35
Loading: 21 kilotons
Video: 61 sec, 3.0M, ASF
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Project name: Yoke
Date: 01.05.1948, 6:09
Loading: 49 kilotons
Video: 34 sec, 1.6M, ASF
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First soviet nuclear bomb. Created thanks to the spy named Claus Fukes, who placed at disposal of soviets original Trinity design
Project name: Unknown
Date: 29.08.1949
Loading: about 20 kilotons
Video: 19 sec, 0.9M, ASF
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Attempt to create rangerable bomb
Project name: Ranger-Able
Date: 27.01.1951, 5:45
Loading: 1 kiloton
Video: 12 sec, 0.6M, ASF
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Structural effect test. One of the most powerful explosions in the human history.
Project name: Easy
Date: 20.04.1951
Loading: 47 kilotons
Video: 49 sec, 2.3M, ASF
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First test of boosting principle
Project name: Item
Date: 24.05.1951
Loading: 45.5 kilotons
Video: 35 sec, 1.7M, ASF
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First full-scale H-Bomb testing
Project name: Ivy Mike
Date: Unknown
Loading: 10 megatons
Video: 41 sec, 2.0M, ASF
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Tactical nuclear weapon testing. Demonstration of strike factors.
Project name: Unknown
Date: Unknown
Loading: Unknown
Video: 88 sec, 4.1M, ASF
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Largest U.S. Thermonuclear device
Project name: Castle Bravo
Date: 28.02.1954
Loading: 15 megatons
Video: 103 sec, 4.8M, ASF
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sharkeeper

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What do you mean update the media player? I have the same problem! There is no way I'm putting that #@$% POS Media Slayer Seven on my system!!! :|

Cheers!
 

sharkeeper

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HA HA! It's not the player, it's the MIME settings in the browser! I was able to right click every one of those links and save the files to the desktop. Running them works fine.

Cheers!
 

Zoltar

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One thing I found most insane, which I am not sure was just a rumour or not. (I'd believe people, although the brilliant minds of scientists, would be stupid enough anyway.)

Before the first detonation, physicists were not even sure that once a nuclear reaction was started on the surface of the earth, that it may not stop. Believing the whole earth may be consumed.

They went ahead with the tests anyway.
 

Pretender

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<< Nuclear Weapons, are we insane!! >>

Usually, you'd add question marks to the end of a question. If you must make it a declaration, you should probably switch the &quot;are&quot; and the &quot;we&quot;.


Regardless of whether it's a question or a statement, I disagree (or answer negatively, depending on how you meant it). We are not insane. Nuclear weapons are the &quot;greatest&quot; form of warfare in existance. How many people died in the Cold War? How many people died in WW1+WW2? Their ability to wreak destruction is high, which, considering that we only have one planet, is a good thing. Think about it.
 

Bakwetu

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One of the most powerful explosions in human history (well one that was recorded anyway) was natural. When Krakatau went up in 1883, it has been estimated to be about 10 000 hiroshima bombs. Not that this has anything to do with the subject, but still.
 

DannyLove

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Oct 17, 2000
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:Czar provided the videos:

: DannyLove provides the pics::)

i'll check this thread for sure once i get home, I'm having the same problem here at work with my Crap Media PLayer, and I refuse to update!
 

Shmorq

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Yeah but maybe these testings can also be beneficial in helping design nuclear power plants.
 

Namuna

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Czar
Being a pyromaniac at heart myself, I'm afraid those videos didn't have the intended effect on me.

Now I gotta get crackin with that 'Castle Bravo' vid and adding some 'Excalibur concerto' background music to it. Awwwww baby, that vid is a pyro's wet dream!

Sorry.
 

Czar

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I have Media Player 6.4, works for me. These tests have nothing to do with nuclear power plants, they work under total different theories.
 

rahvin

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<<Before the first detonation, physicists were not even sure that once a nuclear reaction was started on the surface of the earth, that it may not stop. Believing the whole earth may be consumed.>>

The fear wasn't uncontrolled reaction, they knew the reaction would stop once the expansion started. There was the mathmatical possibility that the fireball would have been big enough to incinerate the entire atmosphere. :eek:


Nuke explosions are pretty, call me nuts but some of the big pacific hydrogen bombs are just beautifull (the halo effect is incredible). Go here to see more stuff...


http://www.enviroweb.org/issues/nuketesting/testpix/

If you back out of their gallery a bit you can see the video's and other info.

BTW. some of the &quot;Mike&quot; pictures make great desktops. :)
 

rahvin

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<<I have Media Player 6.4, works for me. These tests have nothing to do with nuclear power plants, they work under total different theories.>>

Those tests were fundemental in understanding the nuclear reaction. Although most research was done to try to improve the yeild have no doubt that it had the effect of improving nuclear reactor technology by further understanding of the reaction. Breeder reactors are probably a direct result of plutonium weapons research.
 

Czar

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True, but all these tests were just to see if the big bomb worked better then the last big bomb, if not then must try something different.
 

rahvin

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<<True, but all these tests were just to see if the big bomb worked better then the last big bomb, if not then must try something different.>>

You make it sound like they had no idea what they were doing. These things were legitimate scientific experiments. Not trial and error, they were testing theories. They would still be doing it if they hadn't learned enough that modern computers can simulate the explosions. Research still continues they just don't need to set of the bombs anymore to test the theories.
 

Czar

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&quot;testing theories&quot;, and these theories were is this bomb bigger than the last one, they ofcorse made calculations if they were right so when they were 100% everything worked as they wanted they tested.
 

rahvin

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That wasn't always the goal, a lot of research went into making the bombs smaller and lighter to facilitate MIRV warhead systems. Yeild wasn't always the primary concern. A lot of the early research was initially in proper deployment to maximize damage from yield.
 

Czar

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Yes, but the scientists knew about the danger, knew about the radiation, knew about it all. Many quit because of this. Still they went on and on making thim.
 

gcliv

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I believe in nukes. Nukes have probably been a big factor in PREVENTING war. The cold war never went to a hot war because if it did we would've nuked each other, and that would be obviously pointless. Look at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, if we hadn't nuked em there would have been millions of casualties on both sides in a very bloody and long invasion, civilians and military alike.
 

Redneck

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We are crazy? The Russians built a 100 megaton device and tested it @ 50 megatons.



<< &quot;testing theories&quot;, and these theories were is this bomb bigger than the last one, they ofcorse made calculations if they were right so when they >>



As an example Castle Bravo was the largest device tested by the US only by accident.The yield of Bravo dramatically exceeded predictions, being about 2.5 times higher than the best guess and almost double the estimated maximum possible yield (6 Mt predicted, estimated yield range 4-8 Mt)- due to the &quot;tritium bonus&quot; provided by the lithium-7 isotope which made up most of the lithium in the device
 

Jmman

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Here is an interesting article talking about the possibility that modern tests could destroy the whole universe.....text

Here are a couple of quotes:
&quot;Scientists always ignore the admonition that curiosity kills cats. Without curiosity, science would go nowhere.

Curiosity is not without its dangers, though. In fact, some alarmists warn, curiosity about quarks might destroy the Earth, if not the rest of the known universe.&quot;

Many scientific projects are inherently dangerous, but I don't lay awake at night and worry about it.....

:D