NTSB rules that Tesla shares blame in deadly 2016 crash

[Ns1]

Even though autonomous technology is already safer than human control, it won't be widely adopted as long as there are cases like this.

Seems like they're already safer than the humans they were meant to replace.

We demand perfection from the machine but we will also happily give a driver's license to an 83 year old man with declining motor skills.

 

[crashtech]

In some ways it would be easier to design a self-flying plane than a self-driving car.

 

[dainthomas]

Seems like they're already safer than the humans they were meant to replace.

We demand perfection from the machine but we will also happily give a driver's license to an 83 year old man with declining motor skills.

It comes down to people would rather kill themselves/someone else than have a computer do it (whatever the odds).

 

[Zorba]

I think driver assistance will get us really close to the safety levels of full autonomous. Things like auto-stop, lane departure/blind spot alerts etc will eliminate the vast majority of accidents. Even though autonomous technology is already safer than human control, it won't be widely adopted as long as there are cases like this.

I think liability will be one huge issue preventing adoption. But I also think the last 1% of driving conditions will present huge technically, ethical and legal challenges.

One problem with pushing driver assistance to the extreme, like what Tesla has done, is studies have shown humans really suck at jumping in when stuff gets bad after being checked out forever.

 

[WHAMPOM]

I think this is a case of a driver using his vehicle for something it was not designed for. Other idiot drivers.

 

[JSt0rm]

I'd like to see some data on revenue generation from those those things vs the cost of enforcement. It will disrupt traffic lawyers for sure though so I agree in part.

Havent you ever driven through one of those shit little towns that gets all their police money from sitting on the highway and dinging out of towners?

 

[momeNt]

Havent you ever driven through one of those shit little towns that gets all their police money from sitting on the highway and dinging out of towners?

I don't have a license, deemed mentally uncompetent by the state of Wyoming.

 

[zinfamous]

1 person killed by an autonomous car = pandemonium. tens of thousands of people killed annually because of human drivers = NBD.

That's pretty much what it is going to be, when the wholly irrational public is conveniently steered away from reality by the oftentimes irrational media attention and misdirection.

I understand that's the way it will be, and will probably always be, but for some reason I do maintain hope that the actual data will win out in the end.

 

[urvile]

I think you are going to basically have to get to aviation levels of regulation, safety and over sight before truly autonomous vehicles become a reality. Look at how bad most car manufacturers screw up their entertainment systems, now think of them designing and building a far more complex system that your life depends on with no more oversight.

I think driver assistance features will become more and more standard, but i think we are still a ways away from truly autonomous vehicles being common.

That's the part that scares me. Actually that was a really good point dude. The aviation industry would be a perfect model. When it comes to designing and implementing control system software. I want to see autonomous car systems implemented in ada. Oh yeah ada.

I think driver assistance will get us really close to the safety levels of full autonomous. Things like auto-stop, lane departure/blind spot alerts etc will eliminate the vast majority of accidents. Even though autonomous technology is already safer than human control, it won't be widely adopted as long as there are cases like this.

I don't even bother looking over my shoulder most of the time when changing lanes any more. I just look to see if the blind spot detection is activated. Plus the technology is getting cheaper and cheaper. My car is nothing special it's a mazda 3 but it's got a lot of features. Including a HUD which is awesome btw.

 

[local]

I laugh at the people that think we will have Johnny Cabs anytime in the near future for personal use. In a controlled environment like an inner city, sure maybe in 20 years. In the 80mph barely paved no marked lines parts of BFE, no.

 

[pmv]

It comes down to people would rather kill themselves/someone else than have a computer do it (whatever the odds).

I think it rather comes down to the fact that the capabilities of AI in this area are vastly overhyped and people are too gullible about the claims of technoevangelists.

I laugh at the people that think we will have Johnny Cabs anytime in the near future for personal use. In a controlled environment like an inner city, sure maybe in 20 years. In the 80mph barely paved no marked lines parts of BFE, no.

And that 'inner city' has no need of cars at all, as you can pretty much walk or cycle anywhere you need to go.

 

[JSt0rm]

I laugh at the people that think we will have Johnny Cabs anytime in the near future for personal use. In a controlled environment like an inner city, sure maybe in 20 years. In the 80mph barely paved no marked lines parts of BFE, no.

Who cares about bfe? If the cities had self driving lanes it would solve a ton of real problems where the economy matters the most.

 

[urvile]

I think it rather comes down to the fact that the capabilities of AI in this area are vastly overhyped and people are too gullible about the claims of technoevangelists.



And that 'inner city' has no need of cars at all, as you can pretty much walk or cycle anywhere you need to go.

I am not sure how much AI you would actually need (AI is not my bag though) at least not initially. It's more about having the required sensors, the hardware to process the inputs and then adjust the control surfaces quickly enough. The more I think about it the harder to implement and more dangerous it sounds. At least with a plane it's 40,000 feet in the air and less likely to hit anything. Actually the company I used to work for were doing R&D with swarm theory and UAVs. I wasn't involved in it though.

 

[local]

And that 'inner city' has no need of cars at all, as you can pretty much walk or cycle anywhere you need to go.

Yeah but some kind of motorized transport could help with bar hopping. I know it would be nice to be able to get from Deep Ellum to the West End in Dallas by hopping in some kind of driver-less carriage.

Who cares about bfe? If the cities had self driving lanes it would solve a ton of real problems where the economy matters the most.

That is what I said would happen first, but it will be a very long time before it is possible outside of dedicated self driving lanes and even that will take a while. I can't wait for the first person to hack a self driving car.

 

[UglyCasanova]

To those saying it's not going to happen any time soon I would underestimate the speed at which technology is being developed. We just had the 16th anniversary of 9/11 and when that occurred theres a lot that we'd never dream feasible that we now take for granted. Fast internet on our phones driving down the road, private company launching reusable rockets into space, etc. Technological progress is occurring at break neck speeds and I don't see that slowing down any.

 

[JSt0rm]

I think it's gonna happen a lot fast then you guys think

 

[UglyCasanova]

I don't have a license, deemed mentally uncompetent by the state of Wyoming.

eh?

 

[urvile]

To those saying it's not going to happen any time soon I would underestimate the speed at which technology is being developed. We just had the 16th anniversary of 9/11 and when that occurred theres a lot that we'd never dream feasible that we now take for granted. Fast internet on our phones driving down the road, private company launching reusable rockets into space, etc. Technological progress is occurring at break neck speeds and I don't see that slowing down any.

It will happen for sure. It's essentially the same principal as designing and implementing aircraft control systems but with a lot more variables and a lot more danger. Other cars in close proximity and speed, car system failures and speed etc.

It isn't going to happen anytime soon though. Not fully autonomous anyway but self driving lanes I could see that happening because it's a lot safer and easier to implement. This sort of technology has been around for a long time it's essentially fly by wire (which we kind of have in cars now) with no human interaction but all of the principals are the same. Also I think people have a lot of misconceptions about what AI actually is but whatever.

What I am saying is it's more a matter of letting the technology mature for use in autonomous vehicles. Rather than we don't have the technology.

 

[JSt0rm]

the amount of money on the table for self driving vehicles is staggering. People are sprinting to get it done.

 

[urvile]

the amount of money on the table for self driving vehicles is staggering. People are sprinting to get it done.

I think you are underestimating the safety implications. Whic doesnt really have much to do with money.

Although it is helpful but then maybe i am overestimating the safety implications?

 

[Puffnstuff]

I think it's gonna happen a lot fast then you guys think

The Trump administration just removed several barriers at the federal level to facilitate its implementation without any federal oversight whatsoever.

 

[urvile]

The Trump administration just removed several barriers at the federal level to facilitate its implementation without any federal oversight whatsoever.

Hey bumper cars for you guys!

One of the things about working where i do. Is they sometimes lock the site down and we all have to hide under our desks. Which is where i am right now

 

[JSt0rm]

The Trump administration just removed several barriers at the federal level to facilitate its implementation without any federal oversight whatsoever.

Wait. I thought he promised truckers he would stop self driving?

 

[JSt0rm]

deplorables are doomed.

 

[UglyCasanova]

I think you are underestimating the safety implications. Whic doesnt really have much to do with money.

Although it is helpful but then maybe i am overestimating the safety implications?

There's safety implications for not pursuing it also. There will be crashes, there will be deaths. I would hazard to guess that the amount though will be far, far fewer with autonomously driven vehicles being the norm than human driven.