NTSB rules that Tesla shares blame in deadly 2016 crash

[Puffnstuff]

This doesn't bode well for them as they have been officially blamed for the fatality accident. They also revealed that the driver had used Mary Jane but didn't state his level of impairment. This has the potential to impact future autonomous cars and could possibly lead to much needed federal guidelines outlining autonomy.
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/te...icksource_4380645_5_heads_posts_headlines_hed

 

[JSt0rm]

Yes. Car companies will be the ones who carry insurance in the future.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Yes. Car companies will be the ones who carry insurance in the future.

I've read several articles in recent months that all point to that possibility.

 

[JSt0rm]

I've read several articles in recent months that all point to that possibility.

I mean Im certainly not going to be responsible - sitting in a car without a steering wheel.

 

[urvile]

So if the car is autonomous. I wonder if that means you can just get hammered jump in and say siri drive me home? Or would you need to be sober (legally) so you can take control if the car has a failure? Because nothing that complex is fool proof but then given the speeds.....still sounds mighty risky.

Although there is already some autonomous features in mass produced cars. One that mine has is it avoids running into the back of another car. By braking for me* if I don't react fast enough it also projects a big warning message to BRAKE onto the HUD.

Another thing is radar cruise control.

*Just to add the functionailty is to avoid running into the back of another car at slower speeds. Stopping at a traffic light for instance. The other car has to be stopped or moving slowly. Anyways....

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Yes. Car companies will be the ones who carry insurance in the future.

Which will be passed along to the consumer in the price of the car.

 

[JSt0rm]

Which will be passed along to the consumer in the price of the car.

And?

 

[JSt0rm]

You a communist or some shit?

I'll bet ford will get a nice price on insuring 500k cars. And I'll bet Mazda will as well. And I'll bet they will both entice you with low prices to get you in thier vehicle. Competing with each other.

Stop being a nonce.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

You a communist or some shit?

I'll bet ford will get a nice price on insuring 500k cars. And I'll bet Mazda will as well. And I'll bet they will both entice you with low prices to get you in thier vehicle. Competing with each other.

Stop being a nonce.

ROFL!! Sure they will, because car manufacturers are customer service organizations and don't care about profit. Yes, Ford and Mazda will get good prices. And the insurance will be passed along at greatly inflated prices just like air conditioning, floor mats, stereos and extended warranties.

What is your compulsive need to make a fool of yourself? EVERY single piece of a car is a profit maker and changing insurance from customer coverage to manufacturer coverage will be the same. You will be charged more than it's worth, that's how the car business works.

 

[sandorski]

So if the car is autonomous. I wonder if that means you can just get hammered jump in and say siri drive me home? Or would you need to be sober (legally) so you can take control if the car has a failure? Because nothing that complex is fool proof but then given the speeds.....still sounds mighty risky.

Although there is already some autonomous features in mass produced cars. One that mine has is it avoids running into the back of another car. By braking for me* if I don't react fast enough it also projects a big warning message to BRAKE onto the HUD.

Another thing is radar cruise control.

*Just to add the functionailty is to avoid running into the back of another car at slower speeds. Stopping at a traffic light for instance. The other car has to be stopped or moving slowly. Anyways....

One day having your car drive you home after getting hammered might be ok. Autonomous vehicles need some time to prove themselves first though. The Law also needs to be amended at some point as well.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

So if the car is autonomous. I wonder if that means you can just get hammered jump in and say siri drive me home? Or would you need to be sober (legally) so you can take control if the car has a failure? Because nothing that complex is fool proof but then given the speeds.....still sounds mighty risky.

Although there is already some autonomous features in mass produced cars. One that mine has is it avoids running into the back of another car. By braking for me* if I don't react fast enough it also projects a big warning message to BRAKE onto the HUD.

Another thing is radar cruise control.

*Just to add the functionailty is to avoid running into the back of another car at slower speeds. Stopping at a traffic light for instance. The other car has to be stopped or moving slowly. Anyways....

Or simply a blind person, can they drive an autonomous car? What if a human is needed for driving during the trip?
I see great potential but rules need to be worked out.

 

[urvile]

Or simply a blind person, can they drive an autonomous car? What if a human is needed for driving during the trip?
I see great potential but rules need to be worked out.

One day having your car drive you home after getting hammered might be ok. Autonomous vehicles need some time to prove themselves first though. The Law also needs to be amended at some point as well.

The laws will need to change for sure. Also there are enough problems with regular cars being recalled as it is. The last thing you want is your autonomous car having serious bugs in the control software. Which it probably will.(I am a pessimist)

The technology will have to mature considerably and there are a lot of considerations including security. It will put a lot of taxi and uber drivers out of work but I look forward to the day when I can stumble out of the pub and my car drives me home.

 

[JSt0rm]

ROFL!! Sure they will, because car manufacturers are customer service organizations and don't care about profit. Yes, Ford and Mazda will get good prices. And the insurance will be passed along at greatly inflated prices just like air conditioning, floor mats, stereos and extended warranties.

What is your compulsive need to make a fool of yourself? EVERY single piece of a car is a profit maker and changing insurance from customer coverage to manufacturer coverage will be the same. You will be charged more than it's worth, that's how the car business works.

insurance prices will go down. You just dont want to lose your semi driver job.

I mean whats your argument? Insurance will be more expensive with self driving cars? Dont be dumb.

 

[crashtech]

Throws a wrench into everything, like how to underwrite risk. Instead if the age of the driver, will software revision become a factor instead?

 

[JSt0rm]

Throws a wrench into everything, like how to underwrite risk. Instead if the age of the driver, will software revision become a factor instead?

Self driving cars will disrupt a lot on industry. Like how much revenue does a city generate from speeding tickets? No more. Drunk driving? No more. It's amazing.

 

[1prophet]

First lets define what a self driving car is according to most of the public and not what the manufacturers tell you it is just like they tell you, you have unlimited minutes and then find out after the surcharges their definition is not your definition.

This is what most people think of when they hear self driving

And this ain't happening for a long long time no matter how much they tell you it will, like fusion energy and the space elevator it will always be just around the corner.

 

[HomerJS]

One day having your car drive you home after getting hammered might be ok. Autonomous vehicles need some time to prove themselves first though. The Law also needs to be amended at some point as well.

Meh, just let the free market handle it /s

 

[pmv]

I might be in a minority of one, but I remain entirely unconvinced that fully autonomous cars will ever be workable. Not in my lifetime anyway. These sorts of projects always seem to run into massive difficulties when it comes to solving the last few 'minor' problems in the real world.

My big fear is that they will try and solve those problems by 'simplifying' the real world, by remodelling streets and banning all non-motorised/automated transport from them.

 

[realibrad]

This is crazy. The guy was watching a movie while going down a highway not looking at the road. The system was giving him warnings with visual and audio notifications. This is why we cant have nice things.

 

[K1052]

My big fear is that they will try and solve those problems by 'simplifying' the real world, by remodelling streets and banning all non-motorised/automated transport from them.

Sounds good to me. Humans suck pretty bad at obeying the rules of the road as is. I say this as both a driver and a pedestrian. Something about putting our brains in control of anything with wheels creates a super negative psychological feedback when confronted with anything that delays forward momentum.

 

[pmv]

Sounds good to me. Humans suck pretty bad at obeying the rules of the road as is. I say this as both a driver and a pedestrian. Something about putting our brains in control of anything with wheels creates a super negative psychological feedback when confronted with anything that delays forward momentum.

A someone who hates being in a bus, yet alone a car, and who prefers to walk and cycle, I fear ending up like this guy

http://www.riversidelocalschools.com/Downloads/pedestrian short story.pdf

 

[Puffnstuff]

the space elevator

I think that depends on what apartment complex you are in.

 

[Zorba]

The laws will need to change for sure. Also there are enough problems with regular cars being recalled as it is. The last thing you want is your autonomous car having serious bugs in the control software. Which it probably will.(I am a pessimist)

The technology will have to mature considerably and there are a lot of considerations including security. It will put a lot of taxi and uber drivers out of work but I look forward to the day when I can stumble out of the pub and my car drives me home.

I think you are going to basically have to get to aviation levels of regulation, safety and over sight before truly autonomous vehicles become a reality. Look at how bad most car manufacturers screw up their entertainment systems, now think of them designing and building a far more complex system that your life depends on with no more oversight.

I think driver assistance features will become more and more standard, but i think we are still a ways away from truly autonomous vehicles being common.

 

[momeNt]

Self driving cars will disrupt a lot on industry. Like how much revenue does a city generate from speeding tickets? No more. Drunk driving? No more. It's amazing.

I'd like to see some data on revenue generation from those those things vs the cost of enforcement. It will disrupt traffic lawyers for sure though so I agree in part.

 

[dainthomas]

I think driver assistance features will become more and more standard, but i think we are still a ways away from truly autonomous vehicles being common.

I think driver assistance will get us really close to the safety levels of full autonomous. Things like auto-stop, lane departure/blind spot alerts etc will eliminate the vast majority of accidents. Even though autonomous technology is already safer than human control, it won't be widely adopted as long as there are cases like this.