nRollo has been banned

[lavaheadache]

for some reason I'm sad. I don't know why cause I was never particularly fond of him but I feel like "big brother " is watching me now

*** edit on a second note though I can name atleast one other person that I want to whack in the face everytime I read his/her post. The blatant trolling and baiting of some of these nvidia cheerleaders really urk the bajesus out of me. Give me an "N" !! haha

 

[MegaWorks]

Originally posted by: conlan
I NEVER said nRollo was inncocent, in fact, i posted in this thread that he deserved his first ban.

I posted the above links to disprove an accusation made earlier.

And now YOU are making untrue accusations about ME. Read the whole thread, get your facts straight or shut up.

Thank you for telling me to shut up! I've read what you said about how "FFAAIIRRRR" he is, and speaking of untrue accusations read your own post Mister. :roll:

 

[sandorski]

Good riddance. Since he was reinstated I just passed over his posts due to his past stupidity. Now I don't have to. :thumbsup:

 

[BFG10K]

Guys, just a friendly heads-up: this thread is being monitored by the mods so if you want to keep it open, try not to derail it by getting too personal.

This is not a mod warning from me, just a friendly observation on my part to ensure the discussion stays open. 😉

I know that not everyone agrees with the ban, and that?s perfectly fine given everyone is equally entitled to their opinion.

 

[Elfear]

nRollo was really getting on my nerves. I personally think the forum is better without the sales pitches. He did have some good information at times but not enough to outweigh the annoyance of the Nvidia marketing. As others have mentioned, to those who have been here awhile it was easy to take everything he said with a grain of salt, but to the new guy who is o so subtley given his green-tinted glasses by a paid fanboi I think this is a good move.

 

[LOUISSSSS]

i don't know why the nvidia fanboys are defending him in this thread, is it because you know him personally? and now that he's banned you can't have a beer with him because you're friends?

or is it because you're a nvidia fanboy and without him, you feel you're weaker?

what about banning those members that blatantly go out of their way to find every possible way to show that nvidia is better than ati when they are not?

he will not be missed.

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: conlan

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder

Originally posted by: conlan

Originally posted by: toyota
I never really noticed anything inappropriate from him. 😕

With all due respect, neither have I, unless i've just missed it.

I was here long before he was banned the first time. He deserved that one.

Since his return he's been mostly fair with his posts. Even going so far as to recommending ATI from time to time which shocked me.

There are a few fanboys here, of both camps, that are worse.

The moderators said that he was allowed back to redeem himself and prove that he was worth having by helping out with Nvidia users questions. He was not to be an Nvidia marketer. But if you read through his posts, take cmdrdreed's example above, he's clearly doing nothing but trying to push Nvidia.

Like I said, I think at times he certainly did add value to these forums, but more often then not he was in marketing mode. Some of his posts reminded me of a used car salesman... he'd say anything to get you into that new green set of wheels. There were plenty of scenarios where an Nvidia card would have been the better option for someone, there were plenty of times with an AMD card would have been the better option, but Rollo was always there to push the Nvidia option. While I wouldn't say he would out-right lie, he certainly did put his spin on things.

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Again, i'm no one's apologist or no companies fanboy.....but if you're going to accuse someone of something, you'd better be able to back it up.

In all but one of those threads, I saw him mentioning an NV option or discussing NV in some way (except the HD4870 vs HD4870X2 post).
Also some of those go back quite a way, recently he seems to be going on and on and on about PhysX, CUDA and Stereo 3D, no of which (it seems) are worth it at the moment, based on either cost, availability, usefulness or performance.
They are good technologies, but nothing worth investing in with current cards, much like the first DX10 cards didn't offer very good DX10 performance, but he seemed to be pushing current card abilities with those technologies as a reason to buy, even when horribly inappropriate.

He seemed to calm down at a point, but recently he has seemed to be in overdrive with marketing these new NV features, which is possibly one reason for rebanning him.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: solofly
Great news! This place will become much more pleasant now to visit...

I love the hypocrisy in this thread, how those who lean towards one company are the most jubilant for Rollo's ban. Although I have not been privy to whatever discussion has gone on behind the scenes. No recent event was pointed out as to what brought this about. So to me it does have the feel of censorship in order to placate one side over the other.

Kind of sad really. I feel that it's a slippery slope that will only get worse. The acerbic responses from certain members only reinforces that thought.

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Ben Franklin

 

[Overgloc]

Thanks

 

[conlan]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
Guys, just a friendly heads-up: this thread is being monitored by the mods so if you want to keep it open, try not to derail it by getting too personal.

This is not a mod warning from me, just a friendly observation on my part to ensure the discussion stays open. 😉

I know that not everyone agrees with the ban, and that?s perfectly fine given everyone is equally entitled to their opinion.

I could care less if nRollo stays or goes, it's not about nRollo. My point was that I didn't think he deserved being banned this time.

We all knew where he stood. We all knew he received goods from nVidia. We all knew where his loyalty is. If we start banning people based on their opinions, what kind of Forum is this. If you don't like someone's opinion, skip over it.

What I DO care about is people making a "drive-by" view of this thread, making a snap judgment, then posting inflammatory and untrue allegations about others opinions.

 

[AVP]

Originally posted by: motodude
Big difference between fanbois and someone who is a paid fanboi.

Yeah, one is stubborn and dumb while the other has a job and a reason.

*Edit there is nothing wrong with having fanboys in a community, just don't ask me to try to reason with them.

**CONSUMER or brand fanboy-ism to any extent beyond simple satisfaction or informed preference, such as is seen on these forums, are what is silly, but it isn't like it adds nothing.

sorry, drinking...

 

[LOUISSSSS]

Originally posted by: conlan

We all knew where he stood.

NOT those who are new to the forums looking for an honest answer. guess what they will think?

you obviously do care if rollo was banned or not, if you are in here telling us that he doesn't deserve it.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: conlan
Goes to show you only see what you want to see.]

I was merely pointing out that he, at times recommended ATI cards which he clearly did in those posts, you just chose to highlight where, in the same posts, he also recommended nVidia.

And don't call me an apologist for pointing out the above accusations were untrue. I'm fed up with the pigeonholing.

I don't think those links really prove I'm wrong...

You think Rollo or anyone is going to suggest someone get an 8600GT over a 3850? No, he knows that the 3850 is much more powerful and would agree it's the better card. Of course his next line suggests to grab a 9600GT instead of the 3850 or an 8800GT. Not sure how you think Rollo wasn't pushing Nvidia there and that example somehow proved I was wrong. Infact it if anything it provided evidence for exactly what I said. I'm kind of confused on why/how you would think that link doesn't support what I said about him pushing Nvidia. 😕 Infact all he's doing there is shooting down some other posters suggestion of the 8600GT as it doesn't compare to the 3850 and then suggests two Nvidia alternatives.

Your next example really doesn't have anything to do with what I said one way or another. It's Rollo saying that the GPU maker can't control what the card maker does. It looks like the OP was complaining about how expensive his card was and that it's now 2 years old and failing. Really, this is just Rollo doing damage control for the hardware industry, by defending AMD/ATi there, he's really also defending Nvidia at the same time.

Yup, you're right. Rollo wasn't going to try and tell the OP that a 7 series card was worth keeping compared to a newer 3870. He didn't suggest an Nvidia card there. Maybe this was his token pro-AMD comment to seem fair and balanced.

Next one, how is that not an example of Rollo pushing an Nvidia product? He says the 4850 is better for gaming then suggests an Nvidia card as it is more quiet. For the record, I don't think it was that bad of a suggestion from Rollo as the OP sounded like he was torn between performance vs. noise, but I don't see how you think this in anyway supports the idea of Rollo not pushing Nvidia cards pretty much every chance he gets.

Er... you lost me on this one again. He tries to claim that the 4870x2 isn't better for gaming at 1920x1200 then a GTX280, at least not for the extra money (of topic of my replies to you, funny how the GTX295 was always better to him then a 4870x2 though even though the performance was close and the 4870x2 is around $100 less generally) then complains about multi-GPU issues (anti 4870/pro GTX280) and points out unique Nvidia features like CUDA (who very few of us use) and Physx. Didn't see him mention that the 4870x2 supports DX10.1 or 7.1 pass through. I guess that's what you call him not pushing the Nvidia solution? I also like how when someone points out that the 4870x2 wins 14 benches to 1 for the GTX280 (1 tie also) at 2560x1600 res he dismisses that as 'not what he asked'.

Maybe I should have made myself clearer, but I said when someone is looking at part A vs. part B Rollo will tell you to go with the Nvidia part. In this one the OP was asking about two different AMD cards, no Nividia card was ever brought up in the comparrison... sorry, I meant by part A vs. part B being an ATI part vs. an Nvidia part. Maybe I should have been more clear on that. If I asked if I should go with a 9800GT for x$ or a 9800GTX for y$ for my rig, I wouldn't expect an AMD fanboy to jump in and say that I need to get a 4870... same situation here. But we can look at the countless 'should I get a 4870 or GTX280' or 'should I get a 4850 or 9800GTX' threads to see the kind of answers you'll get from Rollo.

Last one... I guess I don't get how this supports or refutes anything. It's a thread about AMD going 40nm. Not a thread about which kind of card someone should get. Rollo said in this one he likes his Phenom... don't know what you are getting at in this one. That Rollo didn't put down the Phenom and push an Nvidia CPU? They don't make one. I don't get why you linked that one I guess.

But I'll agree with you to a point, I shouldn't have said 'always'. That was an exageration. Will you be happy if I edit it to 99% of the time? If I had the energy I could find a LOT of thread where Rollo pushes whatever Nvidia solution is being discussed vs. and ATI card. The opposite is very, very few and far between to practically non-existant.

 

[conlan]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS

Originally posted by: conlan

We all knew where he stood.

NOT those who are new to the forums looking for an honest answer. guess what they will think?

This in was his sig:
As an NVIDIA Focus Group member, I am given free graphics cards and motherboards by NVIDIA Corp.

you obviously do care if rollo was banned or not, if you are in here telling us that he doesn't deserve it.

Nope, I care that people are being flamed for giving their opinion on the matter. I guess that next y'all that so vehemently agree with the ban will want anyone who disagrees with the ban, banned.

 

[conlan]

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder

Originally posted by: conlan
Goes to show you only see what you want to see.]

I was merely pointing out that he, at times recommended ATI cards which he clearly did in those posts, you just chose to highlight where, in the same posts, he also recommended nVidia.

And don't call me an apologist for pointing out the above accusations were untrue. I'm fed up with the pigeonholing.

But I'll agree with you to a point, I shouldn't have said 'always'. That was an exageration. Will you be happy if I edit it to 99% of the time? If I had the energy I could find a LOT of thread where Rollo pushes whatever Nvidia solution is being discussed vs. and ATI card. The opposite is very, very few and far between to practically non-existant.

I agree

 

[apoppin]

it is a decision by the AT administration that does not affect me here

frankly, i won't miss Rollo one bit

.. in fact, i will evidently see even more of him ... now
[thanks to you guys 😛]
---he is posting at 'my' forum tonight
:roll:

 

[Cheex]

Oh well....I for one didn't really have any issues with him but he did rub some people the wrong way sometimes.

 

[akugami]

Originally posted by: conlan
We all knew where he stood. We all knew he received goods from nVidia. We all knew where his loyalty is. If we start banning people based on their opinions, what kind of Forum is this. If you don't like someone's opinion, skip over it.

What I DO care about is people making a "drive-by" view of this thread, making a snap judgment, then posting inflammatory and untrue allegations about others opinions.

I think the problem with Rollo was that he broke the terms of his reinstatement. Now, as stated I was reinstated myself recently due to a banning that resulted from the blatant trolling of Rollo and other nVidia fanboys. I went by just fine for two or so years without posting on AT. If I get banned again, it's not like the world is going to end. But if I get banned again, it will have been because I broke the forum rules and/or the terms of my reinstatement.

Everyone is entitled to his/her opinions but at the same time everyone must understand that these are still private forums. Most of us are from America or some country with free speech but when you're in a private forum, you must abide by the rules of the host. It's like if I went to your house and you don't allow cussing and I am constantly cussing. If after being warned, politely or not, that you don't tolerate that kind of language and I still cuss, then I deserve to get kicked out of your house. Free speech or not, that is what will happen. Similar to what happened in this case.

As to the actual banning...the offense seems a bit minor for the banning. Maybe he should have been given a warning first before anything was done and with the warning being that if he doesn't cut the marketing, he's going to be perma-banned with zero chance of reinstatement. But at the same time, he knew the rules when he was let back in, if he broke it, I don't think anyone but nVidia cheerleaders are going to be upset. I do think a lot of people (even those who don't like him) feel the infractions were pretty minor to be banned over, unless there are some things kept private by the mods.

I for one hated his elitist attitude about how his circle of friends had money and weren't feeling the effects of the economy and how much money he had. His constant marketing of nVidia was actually far less annoying to me. And keep in mind I'm someone who doesn't really have to work for a living if I didn't want to. If you're going to hate on the guy for anything, it should be that since it seems insensitive to those who are suffering from the bad economy through no fault of their own and certainly not because they were unwilling to work for a living. Bragging about how you can afford to throw away $600+ for toys when most people can't afford spending more than $250 a year to upgrade a video card is not how you make friends.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
i don't know why the nvidia fanboys are defending him in this thread, is it because you know him personally? and now that he's banned you can't have a beer with him because you're friends?

or is it because you're a nvidia fanboy and without him, you feel you're weaker?

what about banning those members that blatantly go out of their way to find every possible way to show that nvidia is better than ati when they are not?

he will not be missed.

The people who use the word "fanboy" are generally the ones to look out for. 😉

 

[TidusZ]

I'm glad Nrollo is finally gone, he was always lying about hardware. Those in the know realize that ATI has been dominant for the past two years, and the 4870 1gb is as fast or faster than the gtx 280 for less money. The 295 is nothing but a slapped together attempt to beat the 4870x2, which it doesn't. Btw, remember to buy domestic everyone, the 2009 imports fall apart after ~50 000 miles to save costs anyway, my GM 2003 has 220 000 miles and has never needed a repair.

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

Nice, with another 2 or so bans I might start posting here again :thumbsup:

Somewhere along the road this forum started to ressemble Hardforum... that speaks for itself

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: TidusZ
Those in the know realize that ATI has been dominant for the past two years, and the 4870 1gb is as fast or faster than the gtx 280 for less money.

😕


Sarcasm meter...broken

 

[LOUISSSSS]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
i don't know why the nvidia fanboys are defending him in this thread, is it because you know him personally? and now that he's banned you can't have a beer with him because you're friends?

or is it because you're a nvidia fanboy and without him, you feel you're weaker?

what about banning those members that blatantly go out of their way to find every possible way to show that nvidia is better than ati when they are not?

he will not be missed.

The people who use the word "fanboy" are generally the ones to look out for. 😉

instead of using winks, why don't you make some sense?

what do you mean by look out for people who use "fanboy?"

 

[s44]

Originally posted by: TidusZ
I'm glad Nrollo is finally gone, he was always lying about hardware. Those in the know realize that ATI has been dominant for the past two years, and the 4870 1gb is as fast or faster than the gtx 280 for less money. The 295 is nothing but a slapped together attempt to beat the 4870x2, which it doesn't.

:laugh:

 

[thilanliyan]

I didn't really care either way (mostly because I know he usually isn't a good source of unbiased information)...but the Stereo and Physx pimping recently was getting annoying considering even a lot of review sites were not saying it was that great.