NRA ranks soar.

[ivwshane]

What? If you mean to criticize all of the people who would rather just follow the media of their parties choice and be more concerned with watching TV reality shows then being concerned about their rights then I think I understand what you just...said.

They don't just fall into your neat little category but I think you get the gist of it.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

You left out this part of the stated CDC mission which is exactly why their funding was reduced.

Okay, where is the evidence that their gun-related research was not "based on sound science"?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I bet there are statistics for later years.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Apparently no one is looking into violence.

 

[monovillage]

Okay, where is the evidence that their gun-related research was not "based on sound science"?

The CDC has a history of "not based on sound science" of course there's always those that claim some of their work such as the recent "zombie apocalypse" still serve a useful function.
http://www.cdc.gov/phpr/zombies.htm

That's not the only example.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...-the-problem/2012/01/25/gIQAHRKPWQ_story.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,39278,00.html

http://www.westernjournalism.com/gun-control-actually-increases-gun-violence/

So along with my original link which included a reference by Dr. Faria. There's other information out there about the politicization of the CDC and their use of "junk science". You may not agree, but in my opinion it's a real problem that's widespread in science.

His appointment to the CDC committee by the George W. Bush Administration was of great interest to public health because during the 1990s, Faria was involved in the gun control debate regarding the CDC's National Center for Injury Prevention and Control (NCIPC).[38][39][40][41][42] Faria and other critics felt the NCIPC's program on gun violence was involved in gun politics and biased against gun owners, promoting "politicized, result-oriented research.”[43][44][45][46] In 1996, Faria testified before the U.S. House Appropriations Subcommittee for Labor, Health, and Human Services to that effect.[9] Faria wanted to defund the NCIPC entirely but Congress opted to act by prohibiting the CDC from funding gun research and proscribed public health officials from using taxpayer's money in lobbying and participating in politically partisan activities.[42][47]

http://rogerpielkejr.blogspot.com/2013/01/review-of-geek-manifesto.html

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/c...1/science-geeks-ready-to-rumble/#.UPLw3_JqWSg

To drag this back on to topic, it's the NRA's job to protect gun rights and to lobby in the interests of their members and that's exactly what it's doing and exactly why their membership is soaring in the present anti-gun media frenzy.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

To reduce funding to the Centers for Disease Control because they're spending it on obviously biased non-scientific fishing expeditions isn't "hiding" statistics. Sorry, I don't buy your premise.

Its not just the CDC, its the ATF as well.

So the NRA helps craft a law based on....science? Please show me where that happened.

Science is self correcting, so if the CDC wants to study something, and they do it improperly, others will prove it so.

But this is more than just studies, ITS RAW DATA.

Why block access to raw data?

Whats to fear?

All you have to counter my premise (its not a premise, its a fact) is a preconceived bias.

Thats not evidence.

 

[monovillage]

Its not just the CDC, its the ATF as well.

So the NRA helps craft a law based on....science? Please show me where that happened.

Science is self correcting, so if the CDC wants to study something, and they do it improperly, others will prove it so.

But this is more than just studies, ITS RAW DATA.

Why block access to raw data?

Whats to fear?

All you have to counter my premise (its not a premise, its a fact) is a preconceived bias.

Thats not evidence.

You are the one making the claim, you can provide all the evidence as far as i'm concerned. Where is the NRA blocking access to raw data? Really.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

Except for the zombie stuff, which is clearly a joke, I think monovillage supported his position pretty well.

The thing is -- there's never going to be universal agreement on these issues. I would rather see studies and research done, which we can then discuss as to its meaning and validity, than remain in the darkness.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

You are the one making the claim, you can provide all the evidence as far as i'm concerned. Where is the NRA blocking access to raw data? Really.

Tiahrt is the author of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) from releasing information from its firearms trace database to anyone other than a law enforcement agency or prosecutor in connection with a criminal investigation. Additionally, any data so released is inadmissible in a civil lawsuit

Extract of full amendment: http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/downloads/pdf/fy10_tiahrt_amendment.pdf

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives shall
include in all such data releases, language similar to the following that
would make clear that trace data cannot be used to draw broad conclusions
about firearms-related crime:

 

[blankslate]

Of course the ranks of the NRA are swelling. There's a sucker born every minute. Also if you have a membership you probably get discounts on ammo purchases at ranges. What's not to like?

 

[techie81]

Of course the ranks of the NRA are swelling. There's a sucker born every minute. Also if you have a membership you probably get discounts on ammo purchases at ranges. What's not to like?

The only suckers in the situation are the ones who think gun control will actual help prevent violence.

 

[classy]

It doesn't mean a thing.

 

[Fayd]

2.5%.

In other news, Equestria Daily is now at 300 million pageviews.

Bronies: 1
NRA: 0

...the two are unrelated. not mutually exclusive.

 

[Fayd]

Umm, a "fucking sheep" is what you become when you allow yourself to be disarmed.

i thought it had something to do with new zealand.

 

[blankslate]

The only suckers in the situation are the ones who think gun control will actual help prevent violence.

Count the people who buy a gun and don't understand that they are more likely to have an unfortunate incident with it than to successfully drive off a murderer as suckers too. I know it's inconvenient for you.

More guns = more violence.

sure there are outliers but that's the case.

 

[spidey07]

Count the people who buy a gun and don't understand that they are more likely to have an unfortunate incident with it than to successfully drive off a murderer as suckers too. I know it's inconvenient for you.

More guns = more violence.

sure there are outliers but that's the case.

That is simply NOT true. Stop repeating that lie. You are much more likely to use a weapon in defense than be harmed by it. In my state alone at least once a week there is a story of a home owner defending themselves.

Firearm ownership and concealed carry have exploded the last decade or longer and yet violent crime has gone down.

More guns = less violence.

 

[monovillage]

Count the people who buy a gun and don't understand that they are more likely to have an unfortunate incident with it than to successfully drive off a murderer as suckers too. I know it's inconvenient for you.

More guns = more violence.

sure there are outliers but that's the case.

and that statistic is from where? *sniff,sniff*

 

[techie81]

Count the people who buy a gun and don't understand that they are more likely to have an unfortunate incident with it than to successfully drive off a murderer as suckers too. I know it's inconvenient for you.

More guns = more violence.

sure there are outliers but that's the case.

Actually, I would gather that the more guns we have the safer we are.

People kill themselves on sitting lawn mowers accidents, we going to ban those too?

You are probably one of those people who have never owned a gun making ignorant generalizations.

A large majority of gun owners keep their firearms locked up and safe.

This is an interesting site: http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp

 

[spidey07]

and that statistic is from where? *sniff,sniff*

Brady campaign, everything they say is a flat out lie.

 

[monovillage]

Tiahrt is the author of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) from releasing information from its firearms trace database to anyone other than a law enforcement agency or prosecutor in connection with a criminal investigation. Additionally, any data so released is inadmissible in a civil lawsuit

Extract of full amendment: http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/downloads/pdf/fy10_tiahrt_amendment.pdf

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives shall
include in all such data releases, language similar to the following that
would make clear that trace data cannot be used to draw broad conclusions
about firearms-related crime:

You mean the law that was passed by the House of Representatives, passed by the Senate and signed by the president? That Tiahrt Amendment?

 

[shadow9d9]

Yes I did, I still found it funny as hell. Who was it that said We have to pass this Bill to find out what's in it?

That isn't what was said at all. Funny that you ate up the talking point and keep repeating it.. but you probably knew what it really meant.

You DO need to pass a bill to see what is in it when the republican go around claiming the sky is falling and that death panels are being created. When the republicans go around lying and making things up, yeah, you WILL need to go read it yourself or wait for the dust to settle to get real info.

And "vicious" attacks against the nra!? AHAHAHAHAHAHA! Poor little gun nut organization! Solution to gun rampages? Give more guns! Have everyone armed at schools! What!?!?!? You don't like that!? Stop the VICIOUS attacks!

What a joke.

 

[shadow9d9]

And when that happens, the left squeals like stuck pigs. Pot, meet kettle.

There is no left in the US. There is the middle/right democrats and the off the cliff right republicans... Which country are you referring to?

 

[blankslate]

That is simply NOT true. Stop repeating that lie. You are much more likely to use a weapon in defense than be harmed by it. In my state alone at least once a week there is a story of a home owner defending themselves.

Stop repeating your lies and go back into your fantasy land where you save your neighborhood from a zombie/commie invasion.

Get some help before you murder some teenager for nothing more than mouthing off to an insane cranky doofus.