NRA: Government research into gun violence is not necessary

[JEDI]

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/28/us/guns-5-things/index.html?hpt=hp_c3

pressure from the National Rifle Association led Congress to cut $2.6 million from the budget of the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's Center for Injury Prevention that had been devoted to finding out what works.

To underscore its point, Congress -- in a move led by Jay Dickey, a former gun-rights advocate and Republican legislator from Arkansas -- added this language to the agency's appropriation: "None of the funds made available for injury prevention and control at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention may be used to advocate or promote gun control."

Congress added the same restrictive language it had imposed on the CDC to all agencies of the Department of Health and Human Services.


i own guns but this is stupid!
it makes it look like us gun owners are hiding something. 😡

 

[ivwshane]

Is this new? Because the same restrictions have been in place since the 90's.

And yes it is disgusting!


People complain about bad laws and research is the key to not passing bad laws.

 

[glenn1]

Is gun violence a disease now? If not, then I agree that the Center for Disease Control shouldn't be spending money on it.

 

[Lithium381]

You mean alcolohism is a disease but addiction to smoking isn't glenn? $$$

i would support a study of VIOLENCE, but to limit it to violence caused by guns is biased IMO. . .

 

[glenn1]

You mean alcolohism is a disease but addiction to smoking isn't glenn? $$$

i would support a study of VIOLENCE, but to limit it to violence caused by guns is biased IMO. . .

If you want to study violence, then do it via the FBI or some other agency with expertise in the subject matter. The CDC funding 'violence studies' is akin to the Aviation Administration funding studies on peanut rot disease just because nuts are sometimes served as an in-flight snack.

 

[Texashiker]

i own guns but this is stupid!
it makes it look like us gun owners are hiding something. 😡

I see nothing wrong.

Is gun crime related to disease prevention?

 

[monovillage]

The problem was that the CDC was using faulty statistics and knowingly skewing the results of their "studies" It was a politically backed action by the CDC and was rightfully suspended. If they're not going to be honest, scientific and unbiased why should they continue to get funding?

 

[Jhhnn]

The problem was that the CDC was using faulty statistics and knowingly skewing the results of their "studies" It was a politically backed action by the CDC and was rightfully suspended. If they're not going to be honest, scientific and unbiased why should they continue to get funding?

All in your humble opinion, of course.

The NRA? They're just a different kind of advertising for gun lobby manufacturers, dealers, importers and a host of ancillary manufacturers of sights, ammo, accessories of all kinds, so forth & so on.

Their modern role is the spreading of FUD, the kind that boosts sales. They're doing a great job.

They create demand by creating a headset, the headset that something bad might happen & that you'll need a gun to defend yourself. They create demand by going on and on about gun restrictions that don't have a prayer, promoting a get it now before you can't mentality in the process.

They operate at the level of Faith, of getting people to believe in things that aren't necessarily true at all. They also realize, or should realize, that actual data might paint a different picture of reality than what they want to project.

If that can be suppressed, their narrative is enhanced..

 

[irishScott]

If you want to study violence, then do it via the FBI or some other agency with expertise in the subject matter. The CDC funding 'violence studies' is akin to the Aviation Administration funding studies on peanut rot disease just because nuts are sometimes served as an in-flight snack.

This. The CDC has a decades-old record of treating guns as a public health concern. In some cases they openly compared them to cigarettes.

I'm all for research into gun violence and gun control, but treating guns as a public health hazard is intrinsically biased and intellectually dishonest. If the CDC was willing to drop that perspective, I'd be in favor of funding their gun research.

 

[irishScott]

All in your humble opinion, of course.

The NRA? They're just a different kind of advertising for gun lobby manufacturers, dealers, importers and a host of ancillary manufacturers of sights, ammo, accessories of all kinds, so forth & so on.

Their modern role is the spreading of FUD, the kind that boosts sales. They're doing a great job.

They create demand by creating a headset, the headset that something bad might happen & that you'll need a gun to defend yourself. They create demand by going on and on about gun restrictions that don't have a prayer, promoting a get it now before you can't mentality in the process.

They operate at the level of Faith, of getting people to believe in things that aren't necessarily true at all. They also realize, or should realize, that actual data might paint a different picture of reality than what they want to project.

If that can be suppressed, their narrative is enhanced..

Lol. With all the money Bloomberg is throwing at gun control you'd think he could spare a few million for an unbiased study. Of course it's quite possible (probable IMO) that he refuses to do so because he knows such a study will paint a picture he wouldn't like.

And don't even get me started on "getting people to believe in things that aren't necessarily true at all." The NRA certainly has its propaganda, but the other side is hardly the bastion of truth. Hell as I recall, Mayors Against Illegal Guns recently named the Boston Bomber as a "victim of gun violence." Granted they quickly rescinded it, but the fact that his name even appeared on the list in the first place speaks volumes about who works for them. Don't even get me started on all of the technical details they get wrong.

 

[shady28]

You mean alcolohism is a disease but addiction to smoking isn't glenn? $$$

i would support a study of VIOLENCE, but to limit it to violence caused by guns is biased IMO. . .

Right on. I smoke, drink, and own a gun.

Can I get disability?

 

[Jhhnn]

This. The CDC has a decades-old record of treating guns as a public health concern. In some cases they openly compared them to cigarettes.

I'm all for research into gun violence and gun control, but treating guns as a public health hazard is intrinsically biased and intellectually dishonest. If the CDC was willing to drop that perspective, I'd be in favor of funding their gun research.

Heh. In other words, framing the facts is obviously bad while framing fantasy isn't, right?

Heck, we're better off w/o the facts, right?

I mean, guns are an emotional issue, so let's just keep it that way, a fact free zone where truthiness rules.

 

[thraashman]

Well the CDC studies motor vehicle safety and deaths.
http://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/
It studies youth violence and prevention.
http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/youthviolence/stats_at-a_glance/national_stats.html
It studies accidental and unintentional deaths and injuries.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/acc-inj.htm

So why can't they study gun violence? Oh, that's right, because their studies show the truth that owning a gun is directly correlated with increased chances of being the victim of homicide or suicide. And the truth doesn't sit well with gun nuts and their agenda.

 

[ivwshane]

Well the CDC studies motor vehicle safety and deaths.
http://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/
It studies youth violence and prevention.
http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/youthviolence/stats_at-a_glance/national_stats.html
It studies accidental and unintentional deaths and injuries.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/acc-inj.htm

So why can't they study gun violence? Oh, that's right, because their studies show the truth that owning a gun is directly correlated with increased chances of being the victim of homicide or suicide. And the truth doesn't sit well with gun nuts and their agenda.

You don't get it do you?! It's called the center for disease control and in the mind of a righty that means they only study what's in their name, ie diseases.

/s

Lol! Fucking idiots!

Of course these same fucking morons are quick to call BS on any study the CDC comes up with. However if you ask them what's wrong with the study they either won't have an answer or will spew an NRA talking point. These idiots are truly sheep and will eat whatever shit is thrown at them so long as it comes from their masters.

 

[Fenixgoon]

promote/advocate gun control does not mean that you can't say "here's what's happening." you could also use such info to say "here's where you should focus police efforts and trauma centers". does the CDC make any sort of policy or is it strictly research (legit question)?



most firearms crimes occur with illegally owned pistols in urban areas.

DoJ study of previous AWB found negligible if any effect. a limited study on the impact of magazines with > 10rd capacity found that the majority of crimes did not involve magazines with greater than 10rd capacity, and of those that did, it was unclear whether that made any meaningful difference.

and you know what the kicker is? felons legally do not have to register their firearms, because that goes against their 5th amendment rights (not that you would anyway if you were a felon to begin with).

it's almost getting to the point where it's better to be a criminal.

 

[piasabird]

What makes a firearm illegally owned if the constitution says we have the right to bear arms? This just means that we have a lot of unconstitutional laws.

 

[piasabird]

Guns are not a crime, murder is a crime and battery is a crime and assault is a crime and rape is a crime. However, people can be criminally insane and like killing and threatening people. Some people like being violent whether they use a club, a gun, a knife, a baseball bat or sex as a weapon it is all this enjoyment of hurting and abusing power. That in itself is a kind of atni-social psycological disease. If you can be a sex addict, why cant you be addicted to criminal activity? It is all about gangs and and this lust to hurt other people. Fighting guns will not get rid of gang and criminal activity.

All gang members should just get the death penalty for any crime they commit. It is naive to think we can rehabilitate gang members. They deserve only death. All break-ins should result in the death penalty. Assaults - Death Penalty. Gun Crimes - Death Penalty. Steal a car - Death Penalty. This is what criminals deserve.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

Is gun violence a disease now? If not, then I agree that the Center for Disease Control shouldn't be spending money on it.

You mean alcolohism is a disease but addiction to smoking isn't glenn? $$$

i would support a study of VIOLENCE, but to limit it to violence caused by guns is biased IMO. . .

If you want to study violence, then do it via the FBI or some other agency with expertise in the subject matter. The CDC funding 'violence studies' is akin to the Aviation Administration funding studies on peanut rot disease just because nuts are sometimes served as an in-flight snack.

I see nothing wrong.

Is gun crime related to disease prevention?

The problem was that the CDC was using faulty statistics and knowingly skewing the results of their "studies" It was a politically backed action by the CDC and was rightfully suspended. If they're not going to be honest, scientific and unbiased why should they continue to get funding?

You don't get it do you?! It's called the center for disease control and in the mind of a righty that means they only study what's in their name, ie diseases.

/s

Lol! Fucking idiots!

Of course these same fucking morons are quick to call BS on any study the CDC comes up with. However if you ask them what's wrong with the study they either won't have an answer or will spew an NRA talking point. These idiots are truly sheep and will eat whatever shit is thrown at them so long as it comes from their masters.

None of what you guys have said really gets to the heart of the matter, which is that as far as I know, nobody is now doing statistics-based research into the impact of firearms on society. I agree in that the CDC shouldn't be doing firearms research. But Congress did not provide an alternative agency with the funds for the research, and even if they did, the wording that they used makes it look really, really bad.

 

[michal1980]

Well the CDC studies motor vehicle safety and deaths.
http://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/
It studies youth violence and prevention.
http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/youthviolence/stats_at-a_glance/national_stats.html
It studies accidental and unintentional deaths and injuries.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/acc-inj.htm

So why can't they study gun violence? Oh, that's right, because their studies show the truth that owning a gun is directly correlated with increased chances of being the victim of homicide or suicide. And the truth doesn't sit well with gun nuts and their agenda.

seems like scope creep by the CDC their budget might be too big.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

All in your humble opinion, of course.

The NRA? They're just a different kind of advertising for gun lobby manufacturers, dealers, importers and a host of ancillary manufacturers of sights, ammo, accessories of all kinds, so forth & so on.

Their modern role is the spreading of FUD, the kind that boosts sales. They're doing a great job.

They create demand by creating a headset, the headset that something bad might happen & that you'll need a gun to defend yourself. They create demand by going on and on about gun restrictions that don't have a prayer, promoting a get it now before you can't mentality in the process.

They operate at the level of Faith, of getting people to believe in things that aren't necessarily true at all. They also realize, or should realize, that actual data might paint a different picture of reality than what they want to project.

If that can be suppressed, their narrative is enhanced..

That's revealing but perhaps not in the way you intend. I'd rather see an investigation of something more pervasive, the pathology and prevention of sycophantic partisanship and the associated "Uncle Tom" attitudes associated with it.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

You don't get it do you?! It's called the center for disease control and in the mind of a righty that means they only study what's in their name, ie diseases.

/s

Lol! Fucking idiots!

Of course these same fucking morons are quick to call BS on any study the CDC comes up with. However if you ask them what's wrong with the study they either won't have an answer or will spew an NRA talking point. These idiots are truly sheep and will eat whatever shit is thrown at them so long as it comes from their masters.

You don't get it and you are buying into something sold by President Snooper and Vice President Hypocrite.

The real problem is why America is so violent to begin with. Why do so many want to harm others? Instead Snooper wants to focus on one aspect which gives him political hay while ignoring the more critical issue, but I allow that he's too unprincipled, narcissistic or ignorant to get it.

 

[Demo24]

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's Center for Injury Prevention


Y'all apparently conveniently skipped over that little part right there. CDC's title is probably not fully appropriate to their actual duties. Disregarding that, sigh...yet another NRA move against any form of firearm study.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's Center for Injury Prevention


Y'all apparently conveniently skipped over that little part right there. CDC's title is probably not fully appropriate to their actual duties. Disregarding that, sigh...yet another NRA move against any form of firearm study.

It's not the CDC and it's not the NRA. It's about the politically motivated use of the CDC to avoid the larger issue of the causation of violence for partisan gain. I'd support a broader study but not Hypocrite Joes agenda.

 

[DeadFred]

One of the 23 executive orders handed down by Obama after Sandy Hook required more studies.....and the results are in.

https://www.shtfplan.com/headline-n...t+Hits+The+Fan,+Don't+Say+We+Didn't+Warn+You)

Link to the full study- http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=18319&page=R3

 

[Angry Irishman]

You don't get it do you?! It's called the center for disease control and in the mind of a righty that means they only study what's in their name, ie diseases.

/s

Lol! Fucking idiots!

Of course these same fucking morons are quick to call BS on any study the CDC comes up with. However if you ask them what's wrong with the study they either won't have an answer or will spew an NRA talking point. These idiots are truly sheep and will eat whatever shit is thrown at them so long as it comes from their masters.

The irony and hypocrisy of your sheep comment is amazing.....