NRA comes out against legislation on ban against bump stocks

[cytg111]

I'm not sure a bump fire really increases the rate of fire. It certainly makes it easier to do (with practice) for extended amounts of time. I think the number of times a bump stock has been used in crimes can be counted on fingers on one hand. Did you even click on the videos I posted of people shooting just as fast without a bump stock?

Yea ok, i've seen a guy almost matching 'bump speed' manually too... That does not make A equal to B here. Take note that you write "I think" and "not sure".. Not a whole lot of factual being put forth, I think you are basing this on emotional preferences rather than logic. Maybe?

 

[Puffnstuff]

Bump stocks aren't the same as select fire so I find myself supporting the NRA on this one.

 

[Gryz]

You are a great example of partisan politics today. You assume to know so much about me because I support the 2A.

This is an example of partisan politics ?
Get a grip.
It's the Republicans that have invented the concept of partisan politicans. It started somewhere after 2008. Or at least, that's when it became very obvious. Even to foreigners like me. I'm sure I don't need to repeat the details.

I am not in love with the NRA, far from it.

I wasn't talking about you. I don't know who you are.

I was making a general statement about modern-day politics. It seems many political parties employ a strategy where they put their public focus on matters that do not really matter much. E.g. having a gun is a non-issue. You can have a nice, full-filling and peaceful life without having a gun. Or talking about guns. Or even having seen a real gun in your life ever. 500 million Europeans are proof of that.

The political parties seem to want to talk about these non-issues. So do the media (left and right, main-stream and underground). The talk about bathrooms, they talk about the right to own a gun. In my country the new government has promised to remove all M/F tick-boxes from forms and databases. Who cares ? The left in my country thinks the most important thing in life is to allow all Africans into our country, and give them welfare and a cheap house. Oh, and global-warming of course. It isn't much different in other countries, including the US. Focus on unimportant stuff, that doesn't cost anyone real money.

In the mean-time, while nobody is paying attention, increases taxes for the lower and middle-class. Make sure wages for the average person do not rise. Lower taxes for companies and rich people. Deregulate corporate laws. Give banks free reign. Give multi-nationals free reign. Privatise everything that is important, to 1) make sure somebody is making a profit, and 2) don't care about the quality or price of services.

The right-wing parties do that. The left-wing parties allow it.

Another example: my country got a new government this week. They remove tax that companies have to pay when paying out dividends on their stock. That's cool for rich people. They remove tax-deductions for house-owners with a mortgage (which is huge in my country). And they bring back extra tax for house-owners without a mortgage. So the middle-class has to pay a few thousand euros extra per year. Maybe 10-20k euros even (if you have a large mortgage). Then they increase the "low V.A.T." rate. Which impacts food and other practical stuff. So the lower-class has to pay extra too.

But corporations pay significantly less tax on a bunch of stuff. Nobody talks about that.
And we get some insignificant rules about gender-neutrality, some promises about climate-change that will be met 20+ years from now, we pay a little extra development aid to the poor kids in Africa, etc, etc. Meanwhile the lower and middle class get to pay again.

Yeah, I'm ranting a little. But I am pissed off that the right is doing it, the left is allowing it, and all the media help them diverting attention to matters that don't matter. And many countries seem to follow each other's example. The right to own a gun is absolutely unimportant, but for some reason the average redneck thinks it's the most important issue on the planet.

 

[cytg111]

Bump stocks aren't the same as select fire so I find myself supporting the NRA on this one.

correct me if im wrong here
M16 class rifles have selective fire that goes safe-semi-full while the AK line goes safe-full-semi(i think?). I believe that alone puts the two rifles in different categories from the getgo but thats another story.
The bump stock would make an M16 derivative safe-full-* putting it in AK class terretory.
It is not irrelevant when on patrol if your first thumb move is semi or auto ... it makes for another kind of gun and operation.

 

[Thebobo]

This is an example of partisan politics ?
Get a grip.
It's the Republicans that have invented the concept of partisan politicans. It started somewhere after 2008. Or at least, that's when it became very obvious. Even to foreigners like me. I'm sure I don't need to repeat the details.


I wasn't talking about you. I don't know who you are.

I was making a general statement about modern-day politics. It seems many political parties employ a strategy where they put their public focus on matters that do not really matter much. E.g. having a gun is a non-issue. You can have a nice, full-filling and peaceful life without having a gun. Or talking about guns. Or even having seen a real gun in your life ever. 500 million Europeans are proof of that.

The political parties seem to want to talk about these non-issues. So do the media (left and right, main-stream and underground). The talk about bathrooms, they talk about the right to own a gun. In my country the new government has promised to remove all M/F tick-boxes from forms and databases. Who cares ? The left in my country thinks the most important thing in life is to allow all Africans into our country, and give them welfare and a cheap house. Oh, and global-warming of course. It isn't much different in other countries, including the US. Focus on unimportant stuff, that doesn't cost anyone real money.

In the mean-time, while nobody is paying attention, increases taxes for the lower and middle-class. Make sure wages for the average person do not rise. Lower taxes for companies and rich people. Deregulate corporate laws. Give banks free reign. Give multi-nationals free reign. Privatise everything that is important, to 1) make sure somebody is making a profit, and 2) don't care about the quality or price of services.

The right-wing parties do that. The left-wing parties allow it.

Another example: my country got a new government this week. They remove tax that companies have to pay when paying out dividends on their stock. That's cool for rich people. They remove tax-deductions for house-owners with a mortgage (which is huge in my country). And they bring back extra tax for house-owners without a mortgage. So the middle-class has to pay a few thousand euros extra per year. Maybe 10-20k euros even (if you have a large mortgage). Then they increase the "low V.A.T." rate. Which impacts food and other practical stuff. So the lower-class has to pay extra too.

But corporations pay significantly less tax on a bunch of stuff. Nobody talks about that.
And we get some insignificant rules about gender-neutrality, some promises about climate-change that will be met 20+ years from now, we pay a little extra development aid to the poor kids in Africa, etc, etc. Meanwhile the lower and middle class get to pay again.

Yeah, I'm ranting a little. But I am pissed off that the right is doing it, the left is allowing it, and all the media help them diverting attention to matters that don't matter. And many countries seem to follow each other's example. The right to own a gun is absolutely unimportant, but for some reason the average redneck thinks it's the most important issue on the planet.

Nicely said but no amount of reasonable discussion will move the line with the Zealots. While America is held hostage by a minority of conservative lobbyist the injustice of being slaughtered continues. The NRA extremist have contributed in making this county a more dangerous place.

The 5th amendment says we have Rights to Life, Liberty, and Property. Being slaughtered I would argue violates the 5th amendment, my right not be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of the law.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Actually bump fire stocks require finesse to work like that. On a select fire weapon when you move the selector lever to a desired rate of fire it does so independent of how you hold the weapon. Bump stocks require that you pull the front of the weapon away from you while holding the rear against your shoulder and even then if you don't have a feel for it you can't make it rapid fire.

Its kind of like driving a high performance rear wheel drive car. Two drivers with different skill sets can get behind the wheel and achieve two different results. The good one can take corners at speed steering into them using throttle steering to make a beautiful turn while a not so skilled one would spin out and wreck.

 

[Youreallretared]

Yup, it will muffle around 70% of the midrange which is where that bang is.

There is a myth about a loud bang from a 5.56 breaking the sound barrier, it is not true at all. The air vibrations from that would be at size*velocity/30 which would produce a sound of about 7db for a 5.56 bullet... That's not even a whisper.

Suppressor wouldn't do you any good at a continued high rate of fire, it would melt.

 

[Youreallretared]

Convince? OMG fuck you! Did you forget that 58 people died and some 500 were wounded in under 10 MINUTES because this asshole used bump stocks? So you are ok if happens again? Seriously fuck you.

84 people died in a lot less than 10 minutes when someone drove a truck into a crowd in France. We should ban Trucks, or are you saying you're ok if it happens again?

 

[Thebobo]

Actually bump fire stocks require finesse to work like that. On a select fire weapon when you move the selector lever to a desired rate of fire it does so independent of how you hold the weapon. Bump stocks require that you pull the front of the weapon away from you while holding the rear against your shoulder and even then if you don't have a feel for it you can't make it rapid fire.

Its kind of like driving a high performance rear wheel drive car. Two drivers with different skill sets can get behind the wheel and achieve two different results. The good one can take corners at speed steering into them using throttle steering to make a beautiful turn while a not so skilled one would spin out and wreck.

If only the man that slaughtered all those people knew that it required more "finesse." It would've saved a lot of lives. 🙄

look at me I'm a gun expert, bullshit.

 

[Thebobo]

84 people died in a lot less than 10 minutes when someone drove a truck into a crowd in France. We should ban Trucks, or are you saying you're ok if it happens again?

Yes you are.

 

[cytg111]

Actually bump fire stocks require finesse to work like that. On a select fire weapon when you move the selector lever to a desired rate of fire it does so independent of how you hold the weapon. Bump stocks require that you pull the front of the weapon away from you while holding the rear against your shoulder and even then if you don't have a feel for it you can't make it rapid fire.

Its kind of like driving a high performance rear wheel drive car. Two drivers with different skill sets can get behind the wheel and achieve two different results. The good one can take corners at speed steering into them using throttle steering to make a beautiful turn while a not so skilled one would spin out and wreck.

The fact that you need to have it firmly tocked in shoulder AND pull away on the grip... that doesnt sound reliable or operatable for anything outside fun and very specific use cases. Its operation reminds me of MG42.

 

[Youreallretared]

If only the man that slaughtered all those people knew that it required more "finesse." It would've saved a lot of lives. 🙄

look at me I'm a gun expert, bullshit.

The faster you fire, the more expansion you get, the less accurate you are. Not to mention = more recoil = harder to keep on target, so if anything the bump stock kept him from doing maximum damage.

 

[Gryz]

We should ban Trucks ?

No.
Trucks have a very useful purpose in society.
Guns do not.

It's a concept that is not very hard to grasp for people with mediocre intelligence.

 

[Youreallretared]

No.
Trucks have a very useful purpose in society.
Guns do not.

It's a concept that is not very hard to grasp for people with mediocre intelligence.

Protecting yourself or loved ones isn't useful?

 

[Thebobo]

Protecting yourself or loved ones isn't useful?

from what other people with guns?

 

[Youreallretared]

from what other people with guns?

Are you suggesting if a law is passed that makes guns illegal, all of the criminals who commit these crimes will hand over their guns, you know them criminals great law abiding citizens and all.

 

[Thebobo]

Are you suggesting if a law is passed that makes guns illegal, all of the criminals who commit these crimes will hand over their guns, you know them criminals great law abiding citizens and all.

Obligatory your name fits.

 

[shortylickens]

YOU REAL RETARDED!

 

[Youreallretared]

Obligatory your name fits.

How does my name fit? If you knew how to read you'd realize it says retared, which isn't a word. Care to try again? Oh wait, I get it, this is the part where you realize you're not here to debate when facts are presented because you know you have none to back up your claims.

 

[Gryz]

Protecting yourself or loved ones isn't useful?

You don't seem to understand what "society" means.

It's no fun to pay taxes. If you are the only to pay taxes, it sure feels useless. But if everybody pays taxes, suddenly you see the benefit. Roads are build, the country gets electricity, unfortunate people don't need to die next to the road, all kids can go to school. Paying taxes benefits society.

If you are the only one without a gun, and everybody around you does have one, then yes, that's maybe not fun. But if nobody has a gun, society will benefit tremendously. You seem really scared (or else you wouldn't even think about protecting your family). In a country without guns, maybe you don't need to be so scared. America seems to be the biggest pussy-society in the world. I wish for you all to relax a little.

 

[Youreallretared]

You don't seem to understand what "society" means.

It's no fun to pay taxes. If you are the only to pay taxes, it sure feels useless. But if everybody pays taxes, suddenly you see the benefit. Roads are build, the country gets electricity, unfortunate people don't need to die next to the road, all kids can go to school. Paying taxes benefits society.

If you are the only one without a gun, and everybody around you does have one, then yes, that's maybe not fun. But if nobody has a gun, society will benefit tremendously. You seem really scared (or else you wouldn't even think about protecting your family). In a country without guns, maybe you don't need to be so scared. America seems to be the biggest pussy-society in the world. I wish for you all to relax a little.

How would a law preventing people from legally purchasing firearms keep people safe from Criminals who break laws? I'm not scared at all, I know as of right now I'm on a level playing field with any of those Criminals that wish to do me or others harm. America in general actually feels safer than most Countries, you can take a look at Nationmaster, they get their Data from the United Nations Office of Drugs and Crime, and the FBI databases. UK, Canada, Australia all have more fear of crime than the United States. "Pussy-society" you mean like people being afraid of an inanimate object such as a gun? I agree, every Country that banned their Citizens from owning firearms is a very pussy-society.

 

[cytg111]

How would a law preventing people from legally purchasing firearms keep people safe from Criminals who break laws? I'm not scared at all, I know as of right now I'm on a level playing field with any of those Criminals that wish to do me or others harm..

But you are not on the same playingfield at all, coming prepared and taking initiative is everything. The second someone contemplates to harm you you are allready way behind in your state of ignorant bliss.

 

[Youreallretared]

But you are not on the same playingfield at all, coming prepared and taking initiative is everything. The second someone contemplates to harm you you are allready way behind in your state of ignorant bliss.

So you'd rather someone have no means of self preservation than at least a chance.

 

[Thebobo]

How does my name fit? If you knew how to read you'd realize it says retared, which isn't a word. Care to try again? Oh wait, I get it, this is the part where you realize you're not here to debate when facts are presented because you know you have none to back up your claims.

So you'd rather someone have no means of self preservation than at least a chance.

You keep asking baited questions. There is no reason to "discuss" anything with you, you're a zealot.

 

[Youreallretared]

You keep asking baited questions. There is no reason to "discuss" anything with you, you're a zealot.

Can't answer a simple question so you resort to name calling. Fact is you're more sympathetic for criminals than you are law abiding Citizens. You want to make innocent people easier victims for a perpetrator.