NRA comes out against legislation on ban against bump stocks

[Youreallretared]

What does racial/cultural diversity have to do with gun ownership/crime?

Information you can get from the FBI website regarding Homicides, despite being 13% of the US population African Americans accounted for ~52% of homicides. Majority of which were "Black on Black" crimes.

 

[Puffnstuff]

The hypocrisy on the left just kills me. They cry about guns but march for the right to access abortion. Which action results in more deaths? Did the fetuses have a voice in the matter? Hell no they didn't yet there they go to the medical waste bin.
Excerpt from the CDC:
In 2013, 664,435 legal induced abortions were reported to CDC from 49 reporting areas. The abortion rate for 2013 was 12.5 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15–44 years, and the abortion ratio was 200 abortions per 1,000 live births.

https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/data_stats/abortion.htm

 

[fskimospy]

Which Countries were observed in determining your claims, or do you have a link to your supposed source? If you're trying to compare Gun ownership/crime in the US to a Country like Australia, it's kind of difficult to relate a Country that's almost the same size of the United States with over 300,000,000 less citizens and a lot less racial/cultural diversity.

The US was observed in determining my claims. Here's some research I've linked in other threads but trust me there is much, much more showing the same thing.


http://www.cjcj.org/uploads/cjcj/documents/jpj_firearm_ownership.pdf

Examining violent crime, homicide, rape, robbery, and assault for 1,997 counties in the United States, the findings indicate that increased prevalence of firearms was associated with increased violent crime, homicide, rape, robbery, and assault.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4167105/

We found no robust, statistically significant correlation between gun ownership and stranger firearm homicide rates. However, we found a positive and significant association between gun ownership and nonstranger firearm homicide rates. The incidence rate ratio for nonstranger firearm homicide rate associated with gun ownership was 1.014 (95% confidence interval = 1.009, 1.019).

http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/abs/10.2105/AJPH.2015.302703

Consistent with prior research, this study demonstrated that Connecticut’s handgun permit-to-purchase law was associated with a subsequent reduction in homicide rates. As would be expected if the law drove the reduction, the policy’s effects were only evident for homicides committed with firearms.

http://annals.org/aim/article/18144...timization-among-household-members-systematic

Conclusion:

Access to firearms is associated with risk for completed suicide and being the victim of homicide.

If you meant it when you said you care about facts then you will admit that gun ownership for the purpose of personal safety is a poor choice for the average American.

 

[Jhhnn]

The hypocrisy on the left just kills me. They cry about guns but march for the right to access abortion. Which action results in more deaths? Did the fetuses have a voice in the matter? Hell no they didn't yet there they go to the medical waste bin.
Excerpt from the CDC:
In 2013, 664,435 legal induced abortions were reported to CDC from 49 reporting areas. The abortion rate for 2013 was 12.5 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15–44 years, and the abortion ratio was 200 abortions per 1,000 live births.

https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/data_stats/abortion.htm

More duh-version.

 

[Youreallretared]

Observed? determining? claims? ok well then we'll call them the countries of Harvard and Stanford

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/do-guns-make-us-safer-science-suggests-no/

https://law.stanford.edu/2015/10/12...do-not-support-claim-that-guns-make-us-safer/

Harvard cites National Crime Victimization Survey as their source, yet if you look at the table on the site Victimization crimes have been declining that past few years.

Stanford tries to compare the US to Australia, which as I said before doesn't work.

 

[brycejones]

The hypocrisy on the left just kills me. They cry about guns but march for the right to access abortion. Which action results in more deaths? Did the fetuses have a voice in the matter? Hell no they didn't yet there they go to the medical waste bin.
Excerpt from the CDC:
In 2013, 664,435 legal induced abortions were reported to CDC from 49 reporting areas. The abortion rate for 2013 was 12.5 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15–44 years, and the abortion ratio was 200 abortions per 1,000 live births.

https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/data_stats/abortion.htm

In regards to the subject of guns and more specifically bump stocks your post is as meaningless as trying to discuss smoking in this thread. 1/10 for your attempt at duhversion

 

[Atreus21]

Why couldn't the legislation just ban bump stocks explicitly?

 

[Youreallretared]

In regards to the subject of guns and more specifically bump stocks your post is as meaningless as trying to discuss smoking in this thread. 1/10 for your attempt at duhversion

Banning bump stocks won't do anything, you can get the same result of rapid fire using a rubber band bought at your local convenience store.

 

[hal2kilo]

Why couldn't the legislation just ban bump stocks explicitly?

Because of the backlash from the NRA against their bought and paid for politicians. Duh!

 

[TheVrolok]

Anyone figure out who this guy is who "just happened to register for this discussion" on a political sub forum of a tech forum in its twilight?

 

[hal2kilo]

Anyone figure out who this guy is who "just happened to register for this discussion" on a political sub forum of a tech forum in its twilight?

Typically get some interlopers on this site when any discussion about guns come up. Coincidence? I think not.

 

[Youreallretared]

The US was observed in determining my claims. Here's some research I've linked in other threads but trust me there is much, much more showing the same thing.


http://www.cjcj.org/uploads/cjcj/documents/jpj_firearm_ownership.pdf



https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4167105/



http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/abs/10.2105/AJPH.2015.302703



http://annals.org/aim/article/18144...timization-among-household-members-systematic



If you meant it when you said you care about facts then you will admit that gun ownership for the purpose of personal safety is a poor choice for the average American.

~1/3 of Americans have some type of firearm in their home, including all intentional, unintentional, accidental, non fatal, and suicides there are ~130,000 incidents involving guns in the US per year. Even if you only count the 1/3 that own a firearm, that's still less than 1%, so it's not a poor safety choice for the "Average" American.

 

[fskimospy]

~1/3 of Americans have some type of firearm in their home, including all intentional, unintentional, accidental, non fatal, and suicides there are ~130,000 incidents involving guns in the US per year. Even if you only count the 1/3 that own a firearm, that's still less than 1%, so it's not a poor safety choice for the "Average" American.

As I figured when presented with empirical research that shows owning a gun makes you more likely to be the victim of homicide or suicide you simply deny and ignore it. Purchasing something for the purposes of safety that makes you more likely to die sure sounds like a dumb decision to me.

You shouldn’t come here and complain about people not caring about the facts only to ignore the facts yourself when they tell you things you don’t want to hear. The research has been clear on this for a long time. Owning a gun makes you less safe, not more. If you’re genuinely interested in rational debate as you claim then the first step is accepting reality even if you don’t like it.

 

[Youreallretared]

Anyone figure out who this guy is who "just happened to register for this discussion" on a political sub forum of a tech forum in its twilight?

If you're referring to me, I started off looking for a solution to a memory leak and wound up here after seeing the "New Posts" section.

 

[brycejones]

If you're referring to me, I started off looking for a solution to a memory leak and wound up here after seeing the "New Posts" section.

WWYBYWB?

 

[Puffnstuff]

If you're referring to me, I started off looking for a solution to a memory leak and wound up here after seeing the "New Posts" section.

You have just as much right to post as anyone else does.😀

 

[J.Wilkins]

As I figured when presented with empirical research that shows owning a gun makes you more likely to be the victim of homicide or suicide you simply deny and ignore it. Purchasing something for the purposes of safety that makes you more likely to die sure sounds like a dumb decision to me.

You shouldn’t come here and complain about people not caring about the facts only to ignore the facts yourself when they tell you things you don’t want to hear. The research has been clear on this for a long time. Owning a gun makes you less safe, not more. If you’re genuinely interested in rational debate as you claim then the first step is accepting reality even if you don’t like it.

I've been considering an analogy with fire extinguishers that cause fires more often than they are used to put out fires.

Those would be completely banned for use or ownership by the public no matter how effective they were for putting out fires.

Hell, the Kinderegg is illegal to even import to the US but guns? Yeah, you can have those, those are fine, those are safe.

 

[J.Wilkins]

If you're referring to me, I started off looking for a solution to a memory leak and wound up here after seeing the "New Posts" section.

What source and system?

 

[Youreallretared]

As I figured when presented with empirical research that shows owning a gun makes you more likely to be the victim of homicide or suicide you simply deny and ignore it. Purchasing something for the purposes of safety that makes you more likely to die sure sounds like a dumb decision to me.

You shouldn’t come here and complain about people not caring about the facts only to ignore the facts yourself when they tell you things you don’t want to hear. The research has been clear on this for a long time. Owning a gun makes you less safe, not more. If you’re genuinely interested in rational debate as you claim then the first step is accepting reality even if you don’t like it.

Not ignoring facts by any means, you're trying to say that the Average American is in danger when owning a firearm, yet if you count every single firearm incident in the US including fatal and non-fatal vs. the number of Americans that own a firearm, it's less than 1%, so it's actually not the "Average American" that's in danger, it's a very small minority.

You also claim that with guns overall Crime also increases, which isn't necessarily true. Despite having extremely high Gun Control and a higher Police presence, per capita, the UK has more Crime Victims, Assault Victims, Drug Offenders, Robbery Victims, and Rape Victims.

 

[fskimospy]

Not ignoring facts by any means, you're trying to say that the Average American is in danger when owning a firearm, yet if you count every single firearm incident in the US including fatal and non-fatal vs. the number of Americans that own a firearm, it's less than 1%, so it's actually not the "Average American" that's in danger, it's a very small minority.

I didn’t say anything about people being in danger, I said that gun ownership makes you less safe, not more, meaning if you’re buying a gun for the purposes of personal safety you’ve made a poor choice.

Once more: owning a gun makes the average person less safe, as established by empirical research. Will you admit this? If not, please stop pretending you actually care about facts.

You also claim that with guns overall Crime also increases, which isn't necessarily true. Despite having extremely high Gun Control and a higher Police presence, per capita, the UK has more Crime Victims, Assault Victims, Drug Offenders, Robbery Victims, and Rape Victims.

You’re trying to use anecdotal evidence to refute empirical research. Reasoned debate doesn’t work that way. Also, weren’t you just dismissing comparisons to Australia as invalid? Why is the UK a valid comparison when Australia is not?

 

[J.Wilkins]

Not ignoring facts by any means, you're trying to say that the Average American is in danger when owning a firearm, yet if you count every single firearm incident in the US including fatal and non-fatal vs. the number of Americans that own a firearm, it's less than 1%, so it's actually not the "Average American" that's in danger, it's a very small minority.

You also claim that with guns overall Crime also increases, which isn't necessarily true. Despite having extremely high Gun Control and a higher Police presence, per capita, the UK has more Crime Victims, Assault Victims, Drug Offenders, Robbery Victims, and Rape Victims.

You say you are not ignoring anything and then you ignore it completely anyway and discarding facts for making up your own bullshit seems to be the only thing you are capable of.

In reality, you are more likely to shoot a family member than you EVER are to shoot an intruder and yet you argue that it's a great way to fend off intruders?

The UK has less Crime Victims, Assault Victims, Drug Offenders (though I don't know what this has to do with firearms), Robbery Victims and Rape Victims than the US per capita, the same goes for every single western nation in the world, period.

Next up, you'll argue that we have less black people and that is why...

 

[Puffnstuff]

Try new and improved primate mr bubble in the convenient family pack. Guaranteed to nourish your hair while it cleans your fur.😀 See I can type garbage too just like some folks here who's only exposure to firearms is through some online pictures combined with fantasy truth.😵

 

[interchange]

Not ignoring facts by any means, you're trying to say that the Average American is in danger when owning a firearm, yet if you count every single firearm incident in the US including fatal and non-fatal vs. the number of Americans that own a firearm, it's less than 1%, so it's actually not the "Average American" that's in danger, it's a very small minority.

You mean by owning a gun there's less than a 1 out of 100 chance that I'll get injured or killed by it each year! Sign me up!

 

[Youreallretared]

You say you are not ignoring anything and then you ignore it completely anyway and discarding facts for making up your own bullshit seems to be the only thing you are capable of.

In reality, you are more likely to shoot a family member than you EVER are to shoot an intruder and yet you argue that it's a great way to fend off intruders?

The UK has less Crime Victims, Assault Victims, Drug Offenders (though I don't know what this has to do with firearms), Robbery Victims and Rape Victims than the US per capita, the same goes for every single western nation in the world, period.

Next up, you'll argue that we have less black people and that is why...

Considering I'm not mentally unstable and have proper safety training, unless the gun decides to shoot itself, which it being an inanimate object is extremely unlikely, I'm not more likely to shoot a family member.

Actually they have more Crime Victims, Assault Victims, Drug Offenders, Robbery Victims and Rape Victims per Capita, unless you're saying the United Nations Office of Drugs and Crime is an unreliable source.

I didn’t say anything about people being in danger, I said that gun ownership makes you less safe, not more, meaning if you’re buying a gun for the purposes of personal safety you’ve made a poor choice.

Once more: owning a gun makes the average person less safe, as established by empirical research. Will you admit this? If not, please stop pretending you actually care about facts.



You’re trying to use anecdotal evidence to refute empirical research. Reasoned debate doesn’t work that way. Also, weren’t you just dismissing comparisons to Australia as invalid? Why is the UK a valid comparison when Australia is not?

Less Safe, opposite of Safe is danger, so by saying someone is less safe you're saying they're more likely to be put in danger, so yes you essentially did say they're in more danger or "Less Safe". I don't believe owning a gun makes the average person less safe. FBI Census regarding Gun Ownership vs. Gun Homicide per state actually shows the opposite. Higher the gun ownership per state, Lower Gun Homicide with the exception of a few outliers.

The UK is much more relate-able in terms of population density.

UK - 93,628 mi², 66 Million People
Australia - 2.97 million mi², 24 Million People
US - 3.797 million mi², 330 Million People

 

[J.Wilkins]

Considering I'm not mentally unstable

Oh quit it with your bragging and if you want to present numbers, present them with the link.

I don't get your point in population density, you are wrong on everything from crime to violent crime to assault to rape to murder, we have less of everything per capita and I don't know what your idiocy by population density has to do with anything but fine.

You go ahead and link your sources, no one is going to buy your bullshit statements here when we all know the opposite is true.