NPR's Ron Schiller ousted after another sting by O'Keefe

[Phokus]

Phokus: 1) I Don't see anything untruthful or wrong about what was said.

DesiPower: 1) so was Juan Williams'

1) You still ignore the fact that O'Keefe has a history of doctoring videos to show the exact opposite of what actually happened.

2) Here's a little thought experiment. If an NPR employee said something racist against black people and terminated him, do you think Fox News and the right would have had a problem with canning a journalist? I personally think NPR went to far in firing Juan, but i have no problem with some form of punishment (edit: not even suspension, just a written warning would have sufficed).

3) Again, what the NPR guy said is nothing really controversial. The GOP is the party of the southern strategy.

 

[IronWing]

NPR needs to stop differentiating between the Tea Party and the Republican Party. They are one in the same. The tea partiers are just pretending to be something difference in order to absolve themselves and their policies from the fiasco they created.

 

[PokerGuy]

Why don't you try to compile actual evidence? I mean it's so obvious and all, right?

That IS actual evidence, you just can't see it until you take off the left wing blinders.

Anyone who actually listens to NPR knows that they are evenhanded, often to a fault.

Bull. I do listen to NPR occasionally (always good to know what the other side is thinking), and the coverage is anything but evenhanded. That's like saying Fox is fair and balanced.

 

[boomerang]

Schilling had already announced he was leaving.

He stated that what he was saying was his opinion.

NPR did not take the $5 million.

All this outrage over the tapes is just hot air. The tapes had nothing to do with Schilling leaving. From the portion of the tapes I saw, there was nothing worth getting worked up over - and I want taxpayer funding of NPR eliminated.

Why you all mad? NPR will still be around and they can be even more biased to the left. No more having to make their reporting look somewhat even-handed.

I can only guess that the root of this outrage is the funding issue. This is symptomatic of the very deep divide in the country right now. We absolutely have to rein in spending, but we can't actually make any cuts. Harry Reid is not even willing to forego funding for cowboy poetry reading. Absofuckinglutely amazing.

 

[Phokus]

That IS actual evidence, you just can't see it until you take off the left wing blinders.



Bull. I do listen to NPR occasionally (always good to know what the other side is thinking), and the coverage is anything but evenhanded. That's like saying Fox is fair and balanced.

Why don't you take your rightwing blinders off and realize the guy taping is also the same guy who edited the ACORN tapes to make it look like something criminal was going on when it was the exact opposite?

Some people just don't learn their lesson:

The heavily edited video

That should ring sirens.

 

[PokerGuy]

I've heard republicans criticize every major news organization on the air except Fox as being left wing biased.

Well duh. Survey after survey shows that the vast majority of people in that industry ARE left wingers, it's impossible for them to completely cast aside that bias at all times, and it shows. Are you seriously going to argue that main stream journalism as a field is not generally left leaning?

If so then they might as concede that most of the country is now leftist by their definition

You're making the mistake of assuming that just because the certain media and news organizations hold certain viewpoints that the country as a whole also holds those viewpoints. That's clearly not the case. This is another reason why Fox does so well, while other new agencies have lousy ratings.

 

[PokerGuy]

Breaking news update: CEO and president Vivian Schilling (not related to that idiot Ron Schiller) is resigning.

Rats leaving the sinking ship. Now that people are getting a glimpse into the real organization they know things are not going to be as easy.

 

[spikespiegal]

I listen to NPR, and don't find their coverage *that* left leaning, although they tend to soft-ball real issues and that makes them sound liberal. Like PBS they are increasingly becoming a portal for better programming. The better programming is exceptionally neutral and informative; BBC, Planet Money, etc.

Where I have a problem is with NPR centric programming when they focus on specific issues and beat one side to death. Best example of this is I swear they've had a biography and sob story on every prisoner at Guantanamo Bay being unjustly prosecuted. This does get annoying and tends to give them a rep for being left of center.

This is another reason why Fox does so well, while other new agencies have lousy ratings.

Funny, I don't know a single person with an I.Q. over 80 that admits to watching FOX frequently and their ratings are often on par with professional wrestling, although on occasion I've noted that Brit Hume is fairly neutral. While FOX does have a distinctive right slant, the difference is that this slant -vs- left leaning journalism is the former relies on getting people to hate something.

Conservatives have a problem with Federal funding of NPR and PBS, and I have a problem starting wars with countries because they aren't Christian.

 

[PokerGuy]

All this outrage over the tapes is just hot air.

Really? Care to explain why CEO and president V. Schiller just got ousted by the board over it?

There's a lot more there that's just going to start leaking out, the tip of the iceberg.

NPR will still be around and they can be even more biased to the left. No more having to make their reporting look somewhat even-handed.

True, but they can do it without my money, and without the veneer of pretending to be balanced.

 

[IBMer]

Really? Care to explain why CEO and president V. Schiller just got ousted by the board over it?

There's a lot more there that's just going to start leaking out, the tip of the iceberg.

You tend to just ignore things don't you?

 

[alphatarget1]

Some of the footage is probably cut to take things out of context.

With that said, Ron Schiller is totally a tool and an elitist for suggesting that if one is highly educated, one must be liberal. Just because you get a MA/PhD in liberal arts doesn't mean you are automatically smarter and better than someone who doesn't have the luxury to get the same education. Nothing is black and white, and I dare to say most of these liberals would not survive in the "real world", i.e. generating wealth and creating things to help make our fellow citizens' lives better.

You libs realize people like Ron Schiller is why Democrats are hated by middle America right?

 

[boomerang]

Really? Care to explain why CEO and president V. Schiller just got ousted by the board over it?

There's a lot more there that's just going to start leaking out, the tip of the iceberg.
I honestly don't care why. Who's running the show over there is immaterial to me. If she resigns/gets fired over the tape - whatever.


True, but they can do it without my money, and without the veneer of pretending to be balanced.
We're on the same page here.

We're on the same page on all this. I don't really understand why you're making an issue of this with me but whatever. I would hope that most right leaner's would realize that we can't legislate progressive thinking out of existence. We have to deal with it on a case by case basis.

If NPR gets their taxpayer funding cut off, I'm a happy camper. Just one of thousands of cuts that need to be made to help ensure our longevity.

 

[CitizenKain]

You libs realize people like Ron Schiller is why Democrats are hated by middle America right?

No, he's hated by the same dipshit knownothings that are in the tea party, not middle America.

 

[Tab]

That IS actual evidence, you just can't see it until you take off the left wing blinders.

What evidence? That some business person thinks the Republican Party has racist and xenophobic elements?

 

[Jaskalas]

What evidence? That some business person thinks the Republican Party has racist and xenophobic elements?

And the posters here firmly believe those are not elements but ALL of conservatism. Brilliant intellectualism on display.

 

[Tab]

And the posters here firmly believe those are not elements but ALL of conservatism. Brilliant intellectualism on display.

They do? Really? Oh, sorry I didn't realize we were discussing what so-and-so really believes instead of another O'Keefe stunt.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

And the posters here firmly believe those are not elements but ALL of conservatism. Brilliant intellectualism on display.

Well it doesn't help that one can make it a solid argument for damn near every social, economic, and political position conservatives take. Conservatives dance around bigotry and racism like children holding their finger half an inch away from you shouting "I'm not touching you, I'm not touching you."

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

If you can't see NPR bias...or Fox News bias for that matter...you're drinking way too much KoolAid.

Indeed, stick to Doc Savage!

 

[werepossum]

I listen to NPR, and don't find their coverage *that* left leaning, although they tend to soft-ball real issues and that makes them sound liberal. Like PBS they are increasingly becoming a portal for better programming. The better programming is exceptionally neutral and informative; BBC, Planet Money, etc.

Where I have a problem is with NPR centric programming when they focus on specific issues and beat one side to death. Best example of this is I swear they've had a biography and sob story on every prisoner at Guantanamo Bay being unjustly prosecuted. This does get annoying and tends to give them a rep for being left of center.



Funny, I don't know a single person with an I.Q. over 80 that admits to watching FOX frequently and their ratings are often on par with professional wrestling, although on occasion I've noted that Brit Hume is fairly neutral. While FOX does have a distinctive right slant, the difference is that this slant -vs- left leaning journalism is the former relies on getting people to hate something.

Conservatives have a problem with Federal funding of NPR and PBS, and I have a problem starting wars with countries because they aren't Christian.

Simple explanation for your Fox News statement, people with IQs over 80 avoid you like the plague.

Personally I don't see the big deal here. Everyone knows this is NPR's bias, as it is the same bias found in virtually all mainstream news organizations except for Fox News and CNBC (right biased) and MSNBC (far left biased.) And once you accept that NPR is a bunch of lefties, it's actually not bad news. I don't think NPR OR PBS should get public money, but I see nothing shocking, offensive, or unexpected in Schiller's words, nor anything that prohibits their being a legitimate news organization.

 

[Phokus]

Simple explanation for your Fox News statement, people with IQs over 80 avoid you like the plague.

Personally I don't see the big deal here. Everyone knows this is NPR's bias, as it is the same bias found in virtually all mainstream news organizations except for Fox News and CNBC (right biased) and MSNBC (far left biased.) And once you accept that NPR is a bunch of lefties, it's actually not bad news. I don't think NPR OR PBS should get public money, but I see nothing shocking, offensive, or unexpected in Schiller's words, nor anything that prohibits their being a legitimate news organization.

Interesting

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Indeed, stick to Doc Savage!

This may be a little hard for you to wrap your mind around...but Doc Savage =/= Michael Savage.

I understand that a steady diet of KoolAid cause hallucinations.

 

[Phokus]

Some of the footage is probably cut to take things out of context.

With that said, Ron Schiller is totally a tool and an elitist for suggesting that if one is highly educated, one must be liberal. Just because you get a MA/PhD in liberal arts doesn't mean you are automatically smarter and better than someone who doesn't have the luxury to get the same education. Nothing is black and white, and I dare to say most of these liberals would not survive in the "real world", i.e. generating wealth and creating things to help make our fellow citizens' lives better.

You libs realize people like Ron Schiller is why Democrats are hated by middle America right?

Actually that's a pretty big problem, but on the opposite side of the argument. It's not just that Middle America is ignorant, but intellectualism is looked down upon and ignorance is celebrated. That's part of the reason why we get the shitty government we have right now.

 

[thraashman]

Schilling had already announced he was leaving.

He stated that what he was saying was his opinion.

NPR did not take the $5 million.

All this outrage over the tapes is just hot air. The tapes had nothing to do with Schilling leaving. From the portion of the tapes I saw, there was nothing worth getting worked up over - and I want taxpayer funding of NPR eliminated.

Why you all mad? NPR will still be around and they can be even more biased to the left. No more having to make their reporting look somewhat even-handed.

I can only guess that the root of this outrage is the funding issue. This is symptomatic of the very deep divide in the country right now. We absolutely have to rein in spending, but we can't actually make any cuts. Harry Reid is not even willing to forego funding for cowboy poetry reading. Absofuckinglutely amazing.

PokerGuy, you realize you're arguing in part with this guy I'm quoting here. I don't know how much you read these boards, but boomerang here is not exactly a bastion of liberal ideaology. In fact I'd say I disagree with him around 95% of the time. But I'm gonna have to side with boomerang here (once a year is probably enough) and let you know that you, PokerGuy, are coming off pretty nutty in here today (par for the course).

 

[her209]

Actually that's a pretty big problem, but on the opposite side of the argument. It's not just that Middle America is ignorant, but intellectualism is looked down upon and ignorance is celebrated. That's part of the reason why we get the shitty government we have right now.

Middle America is where all the new cutting edge companies are.

/sarcasm

 

[wuliheron]

Personally I don't see the big deal here.

The big deal is that the right wing mantra is "Not with my money!" No doubt if the entire country were libertarians they'd still be yelling "Not with my money!" and calling each other communists.