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Spikesoldier

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my i3 530 will be here on wednesday.

we'll see how far it goes on air, going to use a brand new noctua NH-D14.

i have a goal of 5GHz also, but looks like 4.8 may be the furthest i can safely take it on air.
 
Hey Zeus

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Spikesoldier said:
my i3 530 will be here on wednesday.

we'll see how far it goes on air, going to use a brand new noctua NH-D14.

i have a goal of 5GHz also, but looks like 4.8 may be the furthest i can safely take it on air.
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I think if you disable HT you can do 5Ghz on air but without HT this chip is a DOG
 
Spikesoldier

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can you share some OC settings, this is my first go at a nehalem/clarkdale system. still used to fsb and memory tuning.

got any tips to help me out or save some time on wednesday?
 
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what did you expect them to do? if they left the GMA alone and gave you a 32nm MCH hooked up to the i7 cache, you'd have a precariously fast dual core stealing customers away from lynnfield like how the E8500 often bested Q9550s in mainstream apps. intel had to bring the MCH off die to fit the performance of the segment they were marketing to. the jewish cache is just there to remind you. the days of high-end dual cores with fat caches (E8600, 8700) are over.
 
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alyarb said:
what did you expect them to do? if they left the GMA alone and gave you a 32nm MCH hooked up to the i7 cache, you'd have a precariously fast dual core stealing customers away from lynnfield like how the E8500 often bested Q9550s in mainstream apps. intel had to bring the MCH off die to fit the performance of the segment they were marketing to. the jewish cache is just there to remind you. there days of high-end dual cores with fat caches (E8600, 8700) are over.
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Agreed. These chips would be so much more badass with alittle more L2 cache. Take an E8600 and add HT and 32nm and you have an unbeatable DC that would lay waste to EVERY amd chip
 
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the i7's do fine with the 256K L2, but the latency has gotten worse and it's the L3 that has been shamed. also, taking the memory controller off die sucked. having it on the CPU package is no better than the standalone MCH used by P45/G45. if you noticed anandtech's clarkdale article, memory latency with the clarkdale MCH has gone up: it is 10% slower than the P45 MCH. all but the execution core hardly bear any resemblance to what we call "nehalem."
 
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alyarb said:
the i7's do fine with the 256K L2, but the latency has gotten worse and it's the L3 that has been shamed. also, taking the memory controller off die sucked. having it on the CPU package is no better than the standalone MCH used by P45/G45. all but the execution core hardly bear any resemblance to what we call "nehalem."
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Intel HAD to cripple the Clarkdales this way or they would have taken sales away from the quad's. The I3 lays waste to anything amd can muster in the DC market
 
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Are you suggesting that a $144.99 Core i3 540 with a $209.99 board and $114.99 of RAM is the cheap overclocker/buyer choise for not going to AMD's Quads?
 
DrMrLordX

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A 4 ghz Phenom II 965 probably comes in cheaper overall and is faster in most apps. That being said, I'm sure he could have gone with a cheaper board to save a few pennies, and the i5-530 to boot.
 
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Ofcourse. Now try the same clocks and tests with 70$ H55/P55 boards and consumer off the shelve RAM and you will have your case against much stronger, because noone will take it for seriously from the Value price/performance point. In case you dont know, overclocking with expensive components bores everyone to tears, go ghetto and be proud at it.
 
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Ofcourse. Now try the same clocks and tests with 70$ H55/P55 boards and consumer off the shelve RAM and you will have your case against much stronger, because noone will take it for seriously from the Value price/performance point. In case you dont know, overclocking with expensive components bores everyone to tears, go ghetto and be proud at it.
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There is no price/performance ratio here. I didn't buy it as a budget build. I bought it because i wanted it.

I'm sick of all the Amd fanboi's getting on my case because you can get an X4 965/790X board for less. I'm glad you can get it for less but i can careless. I had amd for a long time. It was nice but i've come over to intel now. Better tech, better performance, better quality. Amd is crap. Amd can only compete with the Intel Dual core's and gets spanked by everything else.
 
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Hey Zeus said:
Thank you. Wasn't anything personal ofcourse i just deal with amd reply's on a daily basis. "Oh you can get a X4 630 for 109.99. Why would anyone want a dual core" Ugh. :D
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Well, I guess I am one who is on that side, but a $99 quad and a $80 mobo can usually beat the 540 I3 in performance(each OC'ed to their max). Each to his own is fine, but you can't argue that the AMD is crap, because it isn't. Their dual-core gets spanked by the I3, granted, but pure $/performance, they win, and with quality products for the money.

Note that I have I7, and mostly Intel, because I want power, and I am not worried about the fact that they cost a little more. My 2 940 black editions however are cranking F@H just fine @ 3.6 on cheap motherboards.

At least you admit you chose it because it what you wanted it, no need to defend that !
 
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Well, I guess I am one who is on that side, but a $99 quad and a $80 mobo can usually beat the 540 I3 in performance(each OC'ed to their max). Each to his own is fine, but you can't argue that the AMD is crap, because it isn't. Their dual-core gets spanked by the I3, granted, but pure $/performance, they win, and with quality products for the money.

Note that I have I7, and mostly Intel, because I want power, and I am not worried about the fact that they cost a little more. My 2 940 black editions however are cranking F@H just fine @ 3.6 on cheap motherboards.

At least you admit you chose it because it what you wanted it, no need to defend that !
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Amd does give you a great budget buy but its not what im after. I have an 860 sitting in it's box next to my rig. I just bought the 540 to fuck around with.
 
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Hey Zeus said:
Amd does give you a great budget buy but its not what im after. I have an 860 sitting in it's box next to my rig. I just bought the 540 to fuck around with.
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100% agree with that !!!!! :) Just like I got the 940 to play with. Not impressed, but they were cheap and work well FOR THE MONEY.
 
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i ditched a q9550 E0 @ 3.7 platform to a friend so i could sidegrade to the 530.

why? because i truly feel like i didnt need a quad and can get by with a duallie.

i had the same idea as zeus, to try something very new. and so the order button was smashed on launch morning last thursday.

got the i3 today and pieced everything together and was ready to crank it up, but unfortunately my noctua d-14 cooler had a bolt that was .5mm too big in diameter according to my digital caliper, delaying the OCfest until i get a replacement. bad noctua! no spare parts included! im left hanging on the intel stock HS/F!

i'll reply when i get some stable numbers when im able to bolt the beast that the D14 is to the board/cpu. i fully intend on pushing the 530 to the max 24/7 limit, no matter the vcore. for a very long time, all CPU's ive owned run their max from day1 and stay that way.

new build:
i3 530; VID=1.1v
ASROCK P55 extreme
2x 2GB gskill eco PC3-10666|7-7-7-21 1.35v
noctua NH-D14
PC power&cooling 750 silencer
 
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Hey Zeus

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Spikesoldier said:
i ditched a q9550 E0 @ 3.7 platform to a friend so i could spring for the 530 easily.

why? because i truly feel like i didnt need a quad and can get by with a duallie.

i had the same idea as zeus, to try something very new. and so the order button was smashed on launch morning last thursday.

got the i3 today and pieced everything together and was ready to crank it up, but unfortunately my noctua d-14 cooler had a bolt that was .5mm too big in diameter according to my digital caliper, delaying the OCfest until i get a replacement. bad noctua! no spare parts included! im left hanging on the intel stock HS/F!

i'll reply when i get some stable numbers when im able to bolt the beast that the D14 is to the board/cpu. i fully intend on pushing the 530 to the max 24/7 limit, no matter the vcore. for a very long time, all CPU's ive owned run their max from day1 and stay that way.

i3 530; VID=1.1v
ASROCK P55 extreme
2x 2GB gskill eco PC3-1333|7-7-7-21 1.35v
noctua NH-D14
PC power&cooling 750 silencer
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Don't go over 1.5v on air. Someone already killed his 2 day clarkdale by going with 1.5 :)
 
DrMrLordX

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Hey Zeus said:
Thank you. Wasn't anything personal ofcourse i just deal with amd reply's on a daily basis. "Oh you can get a X4 630 for 109.99. Why would anyone want a dual core" Ugh. :D
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Regardless, your results are quite informative. This gives the rest of us pause to consider the i3 at the very least.

Your i3 put up the fastest single-threaded score in the Cinebench thread. All those people ranting about how great the E8x00 chips were for single-threaded performance have more-or-less been put in their place, I would think.
 
Markfw

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Hey Zeus said:
I run this daily :

23 X 200
4.6Ghz
1.3 - VCore
1.45 - Vid

No issues, No problems, Low 30's idle, High 50's prime
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ummmm I think something is wrong. The last time I saw a 1.45 vid was on a AMD XP cpu... or thereabouts. No way for anything 65 nm or less....
 
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