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Now that gays are getting married how has your life been affected?

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So I'm watching the Daily Show and they're doing a set on this issue. In the middle of the joke(s) John Stewart makes an interesting comment, "If you want a Constitutional Amendment to protect the sanctity of Marriage, then why not a Constitutional Amendment against Adultery?"

Just an interesting twist.
 
I want to say 2 things...

First of all, congrats to Conjur for making rational, intelligent arguments throughout this thread. While some of his comments may be perceived as "personal attacks", I think he conducted himself with an admirable of restraint & civility considering the arguments of his opponents.

Second, why aren't the people clamoring for "marriage=man+woman" always demanding a law that would make it a felony to divorce or commit adultery? I'm so sick & tired of hearing the "sanctity of marriage" argument - it's a BS argument designed to legislate conservative Christian beliefs into US law. Christian beliefs have no place in US law. The fact that US laws and Christian beliefs have some commonality (ie murder, stealing, etc) does not change the fact that the US was NOT founded by Christians, on Christian scripture. The founding fathers were deists who, from history & experience, knew that religion and the state should remain separated for the purity of both.

And for those so-called Christians who still wish to argue, do the words "and the meek shall inherit the earth" mean ANYTHING to you? As an American, you have a right to be an obnoxious, ignorant fool. As a Christian, I would you think you might do better to follow your savior's teachings & quit casting stones.
 
Originally posted by: Genesys
Wow, just wow

If you can't tell that's slanted, then you must be slanted yourself. I mean, every single one of those arguments could be made towards men and women being together. How ridiculous...

Besides, that has nothing to do with the right to get married. Sluts get married all the time.
 
Genesys is a bigot and uses his bigotry to justify his bigotry. Actually the hate he feels is for himself. That's why we have to hope he gets well. Self hate is Hell. You can't get out of Hell if you don't know what it is.
 
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: Genesys
Wow, just wow

If you can't tell that's slanted, then you must be slanted yourself. I mean, every single one of those arguments could be made towards men and women being together. How ridiculous...

Besides, that has nothing to do with the right to get married. Sluts get married all the time.

let me guess, its slanted because it actually takes a hard line against homosexuality and homosexuals? its slanted because its not 'open minded'? and go ahead with your silly argument, you wont get very far.

and yes, it has everything to do with marriage. why do sluts get married? money, medical benefits, insurance, tax breaks, etc... why do homosexuals want to get married? dont delude yourself and say "why, because they love each other" its for exactly the same reasons the sluts do it.

Moonebeam, you're being facetious. Oh, and if you keep using the word bigot in any form, its meaning is going to wear off and loose its meaning [kind of like marriage.]
 
Originally posted by: Tegeril

Originally posted by: abaez
Is that like the 12 steps for alchohol addiction? I didn't know gays could make a choice on who they are attracted to.

Hahaha, I can see it now 😛. People will cry of a cure, personally, I prefer being the way I am, if a "cure" (as it is referred to) existed, I wouldn't take it, because in my opinion, there's nothing to cure.

heh heh

I was watching the Tracy Ullman show for a few min. this morning as I was waking up. It was an episode called Religion and the behaviors in it mirror many of the bigots up here quite well! It was hilarious. Some formerly gay character was praising some Christian conversion program that "cured" gays. He abducted some lesbian and was putting her thru some sort of electro-shock therapy to "cure" her.

I'm sure had people like AmdEmAll, Genesys, BugsBunny et al. had seen it, they'd have been praising it as proof that gays can be cured!


Originally posted by: Genesys
and yes, it has everything to do with marriage. why do sluts get married? money, medical benefits, insurance, tax breaks, etc... why do homosexuals want to get married? dont delude yourself and say "why, because they love each other" its for exactly the same reasons the sluts do it.
Wow. Just...wow.

It's *you* who is seriously deluded. Do you ever stop and read what you wrote? Do you not see your bigotry glaring at you in the face?
 
Originally posted by: Genesys

and yes, it has everything to do with marriage. why do sluts get married? money, medical benefits, insurance, tax breaks, etc... why do homosexuals want to get married? dont delude yourself and say "why, because they love each other" its for exactly the same reasons the sluts do it.

Moonebeam, you're being facetious. Oh, and if you keep using the word bigot in any form, its meaning is going to wear off and loose its meaning [kind of like marriage.]



Dude you are a bigot. You are a racist, prejudice, self-righteous hypocrite. For you to say that homosexuals don?t want to get married because they love each other but because they want a tax break. That has to be the one of the most generalized ignorant statements i have every heard. Do you have swastikas hanging around in your house and a shrine to Hitler? You honestly think that someone?s sexual orientation gives them the inability to love someone enough to want to spend the rest of their lives with them and to be married? i am sorry for you and hope you seek forgiveness for your prejudice points of view. As far as that whole debate wther "gay" is a disease and can be "cured". That?s a load of hoarse caca too. I cant speak for all homosexuals out there but only the 2 that are very close to my heart, both of them have said they would have never choose for the life they have had to live. My brother and his struggle for acceptance and my friend who has had to listen to ridicule and prejudice and sit there and take it because the people round him and unaware of his homosexuality. But now that they are both "out" they probably wouldn?t change a thing. My brother has a "partner" now that well maybe when all this pans out i will be able to see my brother wed, and my friend is going along with his life just like any one else seeking a career and a family. Neither one of them go out and participate in mass orgies as a lot of people seem to believe. You are also generalizing homosexuals as being sluts. What?s your definition of that? Well, i have sex, I?m not married, i must be a slut. cant get married now.
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they have the same sex life style that myself or most other "normal" heterosexual people do. I have one partner, they have one partner. maybe we can all get married in one ceremony just to piss of all you right wing self-righteous hypocrites. Wouldn?t happen but it would be pretty cool.
 
It think that people are missing the point of the question asked in the topic. It was not "Do you think homosexual marriage is wrong?" I do not see how it affects our daily lives. If they are illegal, do you think your kids will not see gays holding hands, etc.? Them being married makes no difference. If gay marriage should be illegal, than so should adultery, which is only illegal for members of the US military under the Uniform Code of Military Justice. (I am a former Marine.)

I look at it this way. I am married with four beautiful children. Life is tough enough, and if you can find someone to love, grab hold. If you are gay (I don't believe it is a sickness, as most gays I have known have been like that as long as they can remember) that means another of the same sex, so be it. This country and society has a lot bigger fish to fry. The biggest blow to the sanctity of marriage in this country was the establishment of the "No Fault" divorce. That increased the divorce rate exponentialy, and we should thank the extreme women's liberation movements of the 60's for that.

BTW - For those discussing the Roy Moore issue, saying the Constitution states that there should be a separation of church and state is wrong. The Constitution states:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

That has been interpreted by the courts to mean separation of church and state, but it is obviously not what the founding fathers intended. They did not want a repeat of a single government required religion such as in England, which was already happening in several states shortly after the Revolution. Examples include:
Established a loyalty oath for legislators and government employees, requiring them to believe in the Trinity, and/or the divine inspiration of the Bible.
Prohibited clergy from holding office.
Required legislators to be Protestant Christians.
Permitted the state to support the Christian religion from general tax revenue.
Granted religious and other human rights only to Christians, or only to theists.
Specified "The Protestant Religion" (whatever that meant) to be the established religion of the state.
Required citizens to observe the Sabbath or Lord's day.

Allowing the ten commandments to be shown in a courthouse is in no way a violation of the Bill of Rights. It is the historical basis of our current laws.

Realize, I am a fairly conservative Republican, however, I am not a blind follower. I see that Pres. Bush has announced today support for a Constitutional Amendment banning Gay marriage. That is just retarded. This issue is something for local states to decide, much like pornography laws. What is acceptable in San Francisco is extremely different from what is acceptable here in Alabama. State rights is something that has been lost over the last century, and that is something that the founding fathers truly believed in, as evidenced by the minimal Federal government at this countries inception.

It was tasked with inerstate commerce, military defense, and taxation. not legislating the morality of this country, which is and has been folly.
 
Originally posted by: SoundsAV
It think that people are missing the point of the question asked in the topic. It was not "Do you think homosexual marriage is wrong?" I do not see how it affects our daily lives. If ther are illegal, do you think your kids will not see gays holding hands, etc.? Them being married makes no difference. If gay marriage should be illegal, than so should adultery, which is only illegal for members of the US military under the Uniform Code of Military Justice. (I am a former Marine.)

I look at it this way. I am married with four beautiful children. Life is tough enough, and if you caqn find someone to love, grab hold. If you are gay (I don't believe it is a sickness, as most gays I have known have been like that as long as they can remember) that means another of the same sex, so be it. This country and society has a lot bigger fish to fry. The biggest blow to the sanctity of marriage in this country was the establishment of the "No Fault" divorce. That increased the divorce rate exponentialy, and we should thank the extreme women's liberation movements of the 60's for that.

BTW - For those discussing the Roy Moore issue, saying the Constitution states that there should be a separation of church and state is wrong. The Constitution states:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

That has been interpreted by the courts to mean separation of church and state, but it is obviously not what the founding fathers intended. They did not want a repeat of a single government required religion such as in England, which was already happening in several states shortly after the Revolution. Examples include:
Established a loyalty oath for legislators and government employees, requiring them to believe in the Trinity, and/or the divine inspiration of the Bible.
Prohibited clergy from holding office.
Required legislators to be Protestant Christians.
Permitted the state to support the Christian religion from general tax revenue.
Granted religious and other human rights only to Christians, or only to theists.
Specified "The Protestant Religion" (whatever that meant) to be the established religion of the state.
Required citizens to observe the Sabbath or Lord's day.

Allowing the ten commandments to be shown in a courthouse is in no way a violation of the Bill of Rights. It is the historical basis of our current laws.

🙂 Amen. Bravo. 🙂:beer::beer:
 
Originally posted by: SoundsAV

Allowing the ten commandments to be shown in a courthouse is in no way a violation of the Bill of Rights. It is the historical basis of our current laws.


ha hah hah hah......
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no.

 
Originally posted by: LokiX
Originally posted by: SoundsAV
It think that people are missing the point of the question asked in the topic. q]
The problem is not missing the point as homosexuallity is not a point by point topic. You either oppose it or you don,t. No gray area.No way to logically discuss this issue, in any forumn or platform. For the "small number of gays" to get the platform they have, one of two things has to happen. Either the people that oppose them don,t really care what they do or the democratic machine that created the gay population, to get another voter base are still hoping it might work. The choice thing, I agree with, gays don,t have a choice as someone else has already chosen for them, thats how liberalism works. The thing is No-one really does care one way or the other, but don,t you dare demand from me or the vast majority of population that understands differance between good and evil, ANYTHING, especially the right to share your definition of marrage with the real meaning.;P
 
the democratic machine that created the gay population

What the hell is that? As a Republican I still think that is an ignorant statement. Democrats have championed gay rights, but in no way did they "create" the gay population.

someone else has already chosen for them, thats how liberalism works

Amen!

but don,t you dare demand from me or the vast majority of population that understands differance between good and evil, ANYTHING, especially the right to share your definition of marrage with the real meaning

Where have I demanded anything? Even if gay marriages are made legal, how does that change your right to believe it is wrong? If you believe that abortion is wrong, that isn't nullified by the fact that it is legal. The greatest thing about this country is the right to champion your ideals, even when they are against the legal and accepted norm. You can fight to get the laws changed. You gotta fight for your right to party! 😀

I am in no way championing the gay marriage issue, I am just saying that I don't feel it would instantly negate the sanctity of marriage. Like I said before, No fault marriages did much more damage than that would ever.
 
Originally posted by: AmdEmAll
I dont want my kids, when I have kids, to see 2 people of the same sex together, kissing, holding hands, getting married, etc. It would cause great confusion and I don't really want to have to explain to them in detail why it is happening. This gay marriage thing is just another step in making it Normal or OK to be gay. It may be ok to some people but to the majority it is not. Man and woman were ment to be together, end of question.
Sorry to break it to you, but homosexuals will ALWAYS kiss & hold hands in public. Denying them of marriage isn't going to stop that. You're going to have to explain it to them either way. It's probably a better idea to provide them with clarity and understanding anyways (instead of keeping them in the dark).

To the OP, homosexual marriages has not affected me.

Conjur, thanks for the intelligible posts. Saves the rest of us some typing. :beer:


-Case
 
Originally posted by: Genesys
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: Genesys
Wow, just wow

If you can't tell that's slanted, then you must be slanted yourself. I mean, every single one of those arguments could be made towards men and women being together. How ridiculous...

Besides, that has nothing to do with the right to get married. Sluts get married all the time.

let me guess, its slanted because it actually takes a hard line against homosexuality and homosexuals? its slanted because its not 'open minded'? and go ahead with your silly argument, you wont get very far.

and yes, it has everything to do with marriage. why do sluts get married? money, medical benefits, insurance, tax breaks, etc... why do homosexuals want to get married? dont delude yourself and say "why, because they love each other" its for exactly the same reasons the sluts do it.


This article is rediculous because it is poorly researched and written, riddled with logical errors, hypocritical and misrepresentitive. Not to mention completely irrelevent to the topic at hand. This "scientific publication" is not even peer reviewed, nor published in an accredited medical or scientific journal.

You got this from the FRC? The fundie Xian fanatics down in the Springs? Well, that begins to explain a lot already....


To begin, just look at the references. Most of them are out of date (70's), not really relevant to the statement being credited, or gathered under questionable methodology. I would immediately question the crediability of any paper that opens with "Throughout history, the major civilizations major religions condemned homosexuality" (mispelled and poorly worded sentance.)

His big thesis, outlined in "Effects on Lifespan," relies on a single paper presentation which used obituary observations as its major source of data (or at least how Dr. Stupid uses it.) It sought to compare age and causes of death in gay vs hetero by merely comparing obituaries listed in a few "gay publications" versus major newspapers. The conclutions (as presented)? "Less than 2% [of gays] survived to old age; were 116 times more apt to be murdered; lesbians died of murder, suicide, or accident--a rate 487 times higher (!!) than that of white females," and so on. Do these incredible numbers really suggest that there alarming impacts to heath from just being a homosexual, or perhaps there is a flaw in the way the data was gathered or interpreted?
How does one get one's death listed in a "gay" paper? The gay papers may be only listing a distinct set of known gays, or those that died of extraordinary circumstances (like murder, ah ha!) It strikes me that the AIDS vs other CODeath, are very simular. Since this combs obits back to '81, its very possible some of those listed as "other" were really aids-infected but not properly diagnosed. Also, last time I checked, obits in mainstream papers didn't list if a person was gay. Some of these people who lived to a ripe old age could have been gay and never properly included in this study.

Take his whole The Gay Legacy section. Most of what he reports, while coming from crediable sources, has nothing to do with homosexuality. As we all know, AIDS is a huge epidemic in Africa, but no where does he blame the Africans for the "plague that gives every indication of destroying most of them", or imply that health pros should be wary of treating them due to danger of contracting disease.

The rest of what he writes in regard to sexual practices is mostly outdated, overblown ("gays average...106 [to] 1105 different partners/year" (really? 3 diff koks each and every day?
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) or completely substituable for some hetero practices. "Gays who practice oral sex verge on consuming raw human blood"; "It is also common when "toys" are employed (homosexual lingo for objects which are inserted into the rectum--bottles, carrots, even gerbils)" Yeah, no one heard of a d!ldo before those crazy gays, much less thought of using one...

Lastly, under "Compassion," the good old caring Doc says "Homosexuals are sexually troubled people engaging in dangerous activities. Because we care about them and those tempted to join them, it is important that we neither encourage nor legitimize such a destructive lifestyle." I repress you because I love you. :heart: ..... Retard.


I could go on, but I think this is long enough. This article just reinforces the belief that these anti-gay forces are just paranoid and ignorant bigots using religion or now "science" to justify their hate. By presenting this and giving this merit, I question the same things about you.



If Bushites had their way, the US would look like California. High state taxes, soaring deficits, businesses and jobs leaving, unaffordable living, soaring spending on social programs, entitlements for illegal immigrants and lack of development of sustainable energy resources.
 
Originally posted by: Genesys
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: Genesys
Wow, just wow

If you can't tell that's slanted, then you must be slanted yourself. I mean, every single one of those arguments could be made towards men and women being together. How ridiculous...

Besides, that has nothing to do with the right to get married. Sluts get married all the time.

let me guess, its slanted because it actually takes a hard line against homosexuality and homosexuals? its slanted because its not 'open minded'? and go ahead with your silly argument, you wont get very far.

and yes, it has everything to do with marriage. why do sluts get married? money, medical benefits, insurance, tax breaks, etc... why do homosexuals want to get married? dont delude yourself and say "why, because they love each other" its for exactly the same reasons the sluts do it.

Moonebeam, you're being facetious. Oh, and if you keep using the word bigot in any form, its meaning is going to wear off and loose its meaning [kind of like marriage.]

No, it's slanted because it's full of unreferenced facts, and poorly drawn conclusions. It also assumes that heterosexuals can't and don't do all those same things.

You're also saying that all gay people are sluts. That's simply not true. Particularly for lesbians, many of whom never have more than one partner for their entire life, a claim that not many heterosexual girls can make.
 
Originally posted by: LokiX
Originally posted by: Genesys

and yes, it has everything to do with marriage. why do sluts get married? money, medical benefits, insurance, tax breaks, etc... why do homosexuals want to get married? dont delude yourself and say "why, because they love each other" its for exactly the same reasons the sluts do it.

Moonebeam, you're being facetious. Oh, and if you keep using the word bigot in any form, its meaning is going to wear off and loose its meaning [kind of like marriage.]



Dude you are a bigot. You are a racist, prejudice, self-righteous hypocrite. For you to say that homosexuals don?t want to get married because they love each other but because they want a tax break. That has to be the one of the most generalized ignorant statements i have every heard. Do you have swastikas hanging around in your house and a shrine to Hitler? You honestly think that someone?s sexual orientation gives them the inability to love someone enough to want to spend the rest of their lives with them and to be married? i am sorry for you and hope you seek forgiveness for your prejudice points of view. As far as that whole debate wther "gay" is a disease and can be "cured". That?s a load of hoarse caca too. I cant speak for all homosexuals out there but only the 2 that are very close to my heart, both of them have said they would have never choose for the life they have had to live. My brother and his struggle for acceptance and my friend who has had to listen to ridicule and prejudice and sit there and take it because the people round him and unaware of his homosexuality. But now that they are both "out" they probably wouldn?t change a thing. My brother has a "partner" now that well maybe when all this pans out i will be able to see my brother wed, and my friend is going along with his life just like any one else seeking a career and a family. Neither one of them go out and participate in mass orgies as a lot of people seem to believe. You are also generalizing homosexuals as being sluts. What?s your definition of that? Well, i have sex, I?m not married, i must be a slut. cant get married now.
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they have the same sex life style that myself or most other "normal" heterosexual people do. I have one partner, they have one partner. maybe we can all get married in one ceremony just to piss of all you right wing self-righteous hypocrites. Wouldn?t happen but it would be pretty cool.


NBA Jam Announcer Voice: "The Nail in the Coffin!"
 
Originally posted by: TheBDB
I'm really curious with all the hoopla I have heard about gay marriage how it has affected your heterosexual marriage/life? I know Bush said we need to protect the sanctity of marriage, insinuating that allowing gay marriage would somehow affect heterosexuals. Here is your chance to share the effects. Do you love your wife/husband less now? Do you feel your marriage isn't as real anymore now that some homosexuals have one too? Did your kids tell you they want to be gay when they grow up because it is the cool thing to do? Jeez, if we are going to try to add an amendment to the Constitution banning gay marriage there better be some good stories here.

Did Hitler and his hoopla affect anyone in the beginning? Did Osame and his secular radicalism affect anyone in the begining.
Okay, It has not affected my marriage, yet. nor my life,yet. I love my wife no less,yet. The sanctity has not been affected, yet. My kids not taking views, yet. The problem with the acceptance of homosexuallity is that it is a secular idea. The problem with a secular idea is that its effects take time to manifest and the problem with secularism is that it is a secular idea. A society that accepts secularism without arguement is an invitation to the destruction of that society. All the monstors of history believed in a secularism of their own sorts. All were defeated and with a ban to gay marriage "we" will defeat the newest demand of a immoral secular idea, before it becomes a problem. Adults having sex with children, wouldn,t affect me either. Selective reduction of our older citizens, wouldn,t affect me either. Marriage to multiple persons, wouldn,t affect me either.Any secular society act you can conceive of, wouldn,t affect me either. But only because I will not let it affect me. The "hoopla" you speak of is the secularism knocking at your door demanding to be accepted regardless of what your beliefs are and by accepting that you have already been defeated.
 
Originally posted by: RadBrad
Originally posted by: TheBDB
I'm really curious with all the hoopla I have heard about gay marriage how it has affected your heterosexual marriage/life? I know Bush said we need to protect the sanctity of marriage, insinuating that allowing gay marriage would somehow affect heterosexuals. Here is your chance to share the effects. Do you love your wife/husband less now? Do you feel your marriage isn't as real anymore now that some homosexuals have one too? Did your kids tell you they want to be gay when they grow up because it is the cool thing to do? Jeez, if we are going to try to add an amendment to the Constitution banning gay marriage there better be some good stories here.

Did Hitler and his hoopla affect anyone in the beginning? Did Osame and his secular radicalism affect anyone in the begining.
Okay, It has not affected my marriage, yet. nor my life,yet. I love my wife no less,yet. The sanctity has not been affected, yet. My kids not taking views, yet. The problem with the acceptance of homosexuallity is that it is a secular idea. The problem with a secular idea is that its effects take time to manifest and the problem with secularism is that it is a secular idea. A society that accepts secularism without arguement is an invitation to the destruction of that society. All the monstors of history believed in a secularism of their own sorts. All were defeated and with a ban to gay marriage "we" will defeat the newest demand of a immoral secular idea, before it becomes a problem. Adults having sex with children, wouldn,t affect me either. Selective reduction of our older citizens, wouldn,t affect me either. Marriage to multiple persons, wouldn,t affect me either.Any secular society act you can conceive of, wouldn,t affect me either. But only because I will not let it affect me. The "hoopla" you speak of is the secularism knocking at your door demanding to be accepted regardless of what your beliefs are and by accepting that you have already been defeated.

You just like saying "secular". Admit it!


And....Hitler? Osama?

😕
 
Originally posted by: Genesys
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: Genesys
Wow, just wow

If you can't tell that's slanted, then you must be slanted yourself. I mean, every single one of those arguments could be made towards men and women being together. How ridiculous...

Besides, that has nothing to do with the right to get married. Sluts get married all the time.

let me guess, its slanted because it actually takes a hard line against homosexuality and homosexuals? its slanted because its not 'open minded'? and go ahead with your silly argument, you wont get very far.

and yes, it has everything to do with marriage. why do sluts get married? money, medical benefits, insurance, tax breaks, etc... why do homosexuals want to get married? dont delude yourself and say "why, because they love each other" its for exactly the same reasons the sluts do it.

Moonebeam, you're being facetious. Oh, and if you keep using the word bigot in any form, its meaning is going to wear off and loose its meaning [kind of like marriage.]

WTF is your problem you ass? Gay people can't love eachother just the same? They should have the same rights as everyone else.

You suck x10 :|:|:|
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: RadBrad
Originally posted by: TheBDB
I'm really curious with all the hoopla I have heard about gay marriage how it has affected your heterosexual marriage/life? I know Bush said we need to protect the sanctity of marriage, insinuating that allowing gay marriage would somehow affect heterosexuals. Here is your chance to share the effects. Do you love your wife/husband less now? Do you feel your marriage isn't as real anymore now that some homosexuals have one too? Did your kids tell you they want to be gay when they grow up because it is the cool thing to do? Jeez, if we are going to try to add an amendment to the Constitution banning gay marriage there better be some good stories here.

Did Hitler and his hoopla affect anyone in the beginning? Did Osame and his secular radicalism affect anyone in the begining.
Okay, It has not affected my marriage, yet. nor my life,yet. I love my wife no less,yet. The sanctity has not been affected, yet. My kids not taking views, yet. The problem with the acceptance of homosexuallity is that it is a secular idea. The problem with a secular idea is that its effects take time to manifest and the problem with secularism is that it is a secular idea. A society that accepts secularism without arguement is an invitation to the destruction of that society. All the monstors of history believed in a secularism of their own sorts. All were defeated and with a ban to gay marriage "we" will defeat the newest demand of a immoral secular idea, before it becomes a problem. Adults having sex with children, wouldn,t affect me either. Selective reduction of our older citizens, wouldn,t affect me either. Marriage to multiple persons, wouldn,t affect me either.Any secular society act you can conceive of, wouldn,t affect me either. But only because I will not let it affect me. The "hoopla" you speak of is the secularism knocking at your door demanding to be accepted regardless of what your beliefs are and by accepting that you have already been defeated.

You just like saying "secular". Admit it!


And....Hitler? Osama?

😕

I'm sure "secular" and "liberal" can be interchanged. Quite likely means "communist" though. 😉
 
The whole thing about "sanctity" of marriage is what you make of it for yourself. Sure, some Joe Schmo can go get married in a room in a law office in 10 minutes, but (for some people) religion allows people to make something of it, for others it is a statement of pure committment. It doesn't matter who goes and gets married if you still make the same deal about it for yourself. Live your own damn life and not others' lives. You're going to possibly love your wife less if Bill and Jim downtown get married? Are you kidding? I'd think the average wife would like to know that their husband's love for them is paramount and something like this couldn't interfere with that.

Imagine it reversed, and the people who are religious want to get married, but all the none-religious people think it will destroy what they think of when they think of marriage. Wouldn't you still feel you have the right to be married?

You don't have to accept anything, but you can keep living and let other people keep living and life will go on. By not allowing same-sex marriages, are you not committing the same act you condemn? In this case: "the non-secularism knocking at your door demanding to be accepted regardless of what your beliefs are." I mean, I personally believe love is a universal thing, but clearly lots of people here are set on imposing the idea that it isn't something that exists in the homosexual community upon everyone else.

LIVE YOUR OWN LIFE.
 
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