Now that Apple has officially angered me ...

[dawheat]

From Reddit - of all the way for Apple to execute their new wireless vision...this just isn't it.

 

[poofyhairguy]

Back to the original premise of the thread...

I've narrowed my list down a bit (thought not as much as I'd like):

1) Keep current iPhone 6 and see what the future holds (iPhone 8, Pixel) -aka the "boring option"
2) iPhone 6s Plus (Swappa)
3) Galaxy 7 or 7 Edge (Swappa)
4) Non-Explosive Note (Once they're available)

This could be a good opportunity to get back in on Android for at least a little while. Maybe I'll like what I see on the Galaxy 7/7 Edge? The prices on Swappa are certainly nice. Or I could just go with the safe play since I know I prefer iOS.

On Swappa, I've never used the service. Do you guys who use it generally have good luck with it? Assuming it's the standard idea of try to focus on buying from reputable sellers and limit your search criteria to Mint/New (possibly Good).

I like my 6s Plus and am not planning to upgrade (I never used that camera effect on the M8). I think the S7 Edge also kicks ass with a bigger battery than the Note 7 (and less explosivey). Either one is a winner.

 

[quikah]

I'd like to see a teardown of the dongle to see what's in it.

I am going to go with wires and the usual lightning connector circuit. Seems too small to have anything else in there. The lightning port is outputting analog audio? Granted it is all hard to say from just pictures.

 

[zerocool84]

If Apple would have included wireless charging, then getting rid of the headphone jack would be less of a hassle, but being ok with having two dongles connected to your phone just so it can charge and listen to music at the same time is unacceptable.

 

[WelshBloke]

I am going to go with wires and the usual lightning connector circuit. Seems too small to have anything else in there. The lightning port is outputting analog audio? Granted it is all hard to say from just pictures.

That would mean that the lightning connecter can do analogue, which would be news.

It would also mean that there's a DAC in the phone, which makes the decision to remove the analogue connection even weirder.

 

[biostud]

 

[Kazukian]

What if they went with wireless charging and dropped all connectors, except for a diagnostic port?

 

[Fingolfin269]

What if they went with wireless charging and dropped all connectors, except for a diagnostic port?

Then they could no longer call themselves a music company with a straight face. Unless they somehow use magic to make wireless audio sound as good as wired. I would of course support that magic if it happened.

 

[Megatomic]

Back to the original premise of the thread...

I've narrowed my list down a bit (thought not as much as I'd like):

1) Keep current iPhone 6 and see what the future holds (iPhone 8, Pixel) -aka the "boring option"
2) iPhone 6s Plus (Swappa)
3) Galaxy 7 or 7 Edge (Swappa)
4) Non-Explosive Note (Once they're available)

This could be a good opportunity to get back in on Android for at least a little while. Maybe I'll like what I see on the Galaxy 7/7 Edge? The prices on Swappa are certainly nice. Or I could just go with the safe play since I know I prefer iOS.

On Swappa, I've never used the service. Do you guys who use it generally have good luck with it? Assuming it's the standard idea of try to focus on buying from reputable sellers and limit your search criteria to Mint/New (possibly Good).

I've bought from Swappa, it's a straightforward and safe process.

 

[jpiniero]

What if they went with wireless charging and dropped all connectors, except for a diagnostic port?

No ports at all is going to happen. It's only a matter of time.

 

[xeleron]

So,Apple was justifying the removal of the jack port by saying that they did that in order to make the phone thinner,and to make room for other things inside the phone, about the last part,what have they added?I highly doubt the Iphone is so cramped on the inside that they needed to remove the jack port.

 

[quikah]

It would also mean that there's a DAC in the phone, which makes the decision to remove the analogue connection even weirder.

There will always be a DAC in the phone as long as there are speakers in it.

 

[T_Yamamoto]

I really hope the average consumer doesn't get used to the sound quality you get from a $100 Bluetooth headset. Then again, people are ok with the subpar sound of bluetooth audio streaming in their cars now so I wouldn't be surprised.

The average joe isn't going to notice or care about the sound quality a whole lot. As long as it sounds "alright".

For me, if I'm out and about, I don't really have a care for the sound quality, as long as it doesn't sound distorted.

 

[T_Yamamoto]

So,Apple was justifying the removal of the jack port by saying that they did that in order to make the phone thinner,and to make room for other things inside the phone, about the last part,what have they added?I highly doubt the Iphone is so cramped on the inside that they needed to remove the jack port.

Made it waterproof/dustproof to a certain extent (headphone jack makes it hard to make it waterproof. Larger battery, CPU/GPU is a larger die if IIRC. The addition of that feedback thing.

Phone are pretty cramped on the inside...

 

[Megatomic]

Made it waterproof/dustproof to a certain extent (headphone jack makes it hard to make it waterproof. Larger battery, CPU/GPU is a larger die if IIRC. The addition of that feedback thing.

Phone are pretty cramped on the inside...

They also added the haptic feedback hardware for the fake home button.

 

[Fingolfin269]

At this point it looks like I'm going to go with the Galaxy S7. I'll revisit the iPhone next year when they hopefully/finally make a major change. And I hope that change is positive enough for me to offset the negative loss of the headphone jack.

 

[zerocool84]

Made it waterproof/dustproof to a certain extent (headphone jack makes it hard to make it waterproof. Larger battery, CPU/GPU is a larger die if IIRC. The addition of that feedback thing.

Phone are pretty cramped on the inside...

Phones with headphone jacks are already even more water resistant than the new iPhone. Apple is going to make a ton on money off dongles and accessories because they all have to be licensed by Apple.

 

[WelshBloke]

There will always be a DAC in the phone as long as there are speakers in it.

Doh!


I wonder if it's better than the one in the dongle (if there is one there).

 

[WelshBloke]

Made it waterproof/dustproof to a certain extent (headphone jack makes it hard to make it waterproof. Larger battery, CPU/GPU is a larger die if IIRC. The addition of that feedback thing.

Phone are pretty cramped on the inside...

But there are other phones that manage to have all that plus physically larger batteries and screens in a similar package.
Minus the extra hepatic thing for the button. But if it takes that much space why not just stay with a button?

 

[Eug]

The iPhone is indeed very cramped inside but that's because they like very thin designs. The headphone jack can readily be accommodated with all the stuff they want but there becomes a point where it becomes more difficult to shrink the design even further because of the thickness and depth of the jack.

Basically Apple is doing this because:

1) It pushes people to more expensive Apple and Beats headphones.

2) It pushes 3rd parties to licence the Lightning connector.

3) It allows Apple more flexibility in future designs, including a thinner iPhone. For example, this is one big reason they got rid of VGA ports on Mac laptops ages ago, even though VGA use remains relatively common even in 2016.

So, you can be sure that the 2017 iPhone will not have a headphone jack, and I betcha it will be thinner than the iPhone 7, and consequently thinner than other designs out there. The iPhone 7 is an iterative design aesthetically that will prime the market for a new thinner and more radical design in 2017. Except the radical part of it won't be the headphone jack anymore because that already happened a year earlier.

BTW, you can be sure that the dongle will have a Lightning chip in it. It will NOT just be a dumb analogue-only cable.

 

[poofyhairguy]

Minus the extra hepatic thing for the button. But if it takes that much space why not just stay with a button?

Because the next move is to take away the fake button and make that whole part of the phone a haptic control.

Basically this iPhone is the transition iPhone, the bridge to get people ready for a sea change next year.

I personally don't like paying Apple full price for stopgaps but a lot of people bought an iPad 3 so what do I know.

 

[Eug]

Because the next move is to take away the fake button and make that whole part of the phone a haptic control.

Basically this iPhone is the transition iPhone, the bridge to get people ready for a sea change next year.

I personally don't like paying Apple full price for stopgaps but a lot of people bought an iPad 3 so what do I know.

This is a way, way better device for its generation than the iPad 3 ever was. In some ways it's the opposite approach.

iPad 3 got Retina but was vastly underpowered.

iPhone 7 Plus gets significant under the hood improvements along a hugely improved camera, yet maintains the same rez screen.

iPhone 7 (non-Plus) is more iterative though, I agree.

 

[Kazukian]

This is a way, way better device for its generation than the iPad 3 ever was. In some ways it's the opposite approach.

iPad 3 got Retina but was vastly underpowered.

iPhone 7 Plus gets significant under the hood improvements along a hugely improved camera, yet maintains the same rez screen.

iPhone 7 (non-Plus) is more iterative though, I agree.

The CPU/GPU and camera got my attention.

 

[Mopetar]

Because the next move is to take away the fake button and make that whole part of the phone a haptic control.

The button is never going away, even if it's no longer a physical button as it's used for the finger print reader as well.

I don't know if they'll make the entire device haptic anytime soon either. They added force touch previously and it seems like a feature that isn't widely used or that most people ignore. Maybe haptic feedback makes force touch better, but I expect it will be years before we see it.

Basically this iPhone is the transition iPhone, the bridge to get people ready for a sea change next year.

I don't see a big change next year. The biggest legitimate gripe about the the iPhone right now is the display resolution, so if there's any big changes it will be there. As much as Apple likes to brag about innovation, they're mostly about steady refinement after a big initial splash. Today's iPhones have more in common conceptually with the original iPhone than the original iPhone had with devices that came prior to it.

 

[poofyhairguy]

The button is never going away, even if it's no longer a physical button as it's used for the finger print reader as well.

The whole screen (or a large chunk) will be the fingerprint reader.