Originally posted by: CptObvious
Our blood sweat and tears so THEY can make money....uhhh, No
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Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
IT IS NOT ABOUT FRANCE RUSSIA THE US OR ANYONE ELSE BUT THE IRAQIS
Hopefully someone heard me. The French cannot legitimize anything, nor can we. Only the Iraqis can. Now the role everyone else CAN play is in assisting the Iraqis in rebuilding in the way THEY want too. Christ sakes people this isnt a pissing match.
Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
IT IS NOT ABOUT FRANCE RUSSIA THE US OR ANYONE ELSE BUT THE IRAQIS
Hopefully someone heard me. The French cannot legitimize anything, nor can we. Only the Iraqis can. Now the role everyone else CAN play is in assisting the Iraqis in rebuilding in the way THEY want too. Christ sakes people this isnt a pissing match.
Actually I don't see Bush as a Neo Conservative unlike Wolfowitz and the rest of those Neo Neanderthal Dregs in the State Department. That doesn't mean that some of their ideas aren't on the mark, you just have to differentiate their sound ideas from their lunancy and ignore their lunacy.Originally posted by: AndrewR
The French do not matter. Period. They can send food, medicine, and money, but they will not be involved in the rebuilding of Iraq because quite simply they wanted Saddam to remain in power. Once that is widely known in Iraq, I wouldn't want to be driving around in a Renault (well, I wouldn't want to drive a Renault in any case but that's different).
I don't like abortion, I don't like 'Hollywood' values, and I definately think we need to enforce some sort of moral (if not religious) values in our public schools, but I'd HATE to identify as a conservative. This pompous, self-righteous attitude some of the neo-conservatives have sickens me, and I hate that we're now using this in our foreign policy. Everytime I hear Bush speak about 'WMD' and 'terrorism' and 'Sah-dum' I feel like I'm being strung along in some hype circus and I feel dumber for having listened to him. The very least he could do is maintain a consistent message about what the hell we plan to do in Iraq and what our goal is for post-war Iraq when we're done.
Quite unlike your pompous, self-righteous attitude, eh?
Holy Sh!te batman.In fact France should be replaced as a permanent member of the Security Council by a much more relevant country like Japan.
As a part of NATO and at the host countries request and permission. The German government had a full on hissy fit when the US NATO commander suggested we don't need our bases there anymore. I say if they want us to leave then lets leave and spend the money on something else worthwhile, like a downpayment on kicking North Korea's ass.Let's see now, World War II ended when? And US Forces are still stationed where? And there is some reason to believe that things are going to be different this time?
Originally posted by: yowolabi
Originally posted by: mboy
Originally posted by: AT
Originally posted by: mboy
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American,British, Australiana and some Polish tax money funded this war with a positive outcome being the Iraqi people are liberated. Since France, Germany and Russia contributed NOTHING, why should the coalition of the willing allow French, GErman or Russian construction firms come in get the contracts to rebuild the infrastructure.
Because it is not the coalition of the willing's choice but the Iraqi people's. I'm sure they will give most/all contracts to coalition but it is still THEIR choice.
Actually it is OUR choice until the Iraqi's have a functionin Government, Military and Police aparatus in place. Until then, OUR military is running the show in order to bring the country to a point where it can be run by themselves.
Ask Germany and Japan what happened after we defeated them.
Ever hear of the Marshall plan? Do u know who/what Marshall was?
We were at war with Japan. They were a conquered nation. We have stated time and time again that our goal is to get rid of the dictatorship and liberate Iraq, not conquer it. That's why when someone put the US flag up early in the war, his commander made him take it down. What we are allowed to do in this war is nothing similar to Japan or Germany. We aren't dictating terms to a defeated foe. The people we fought against are now out of power, and the people of Iraq get to decide what happens next.
Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
IT IS NOT ABOUT FRANCE RUSSIA THE US OR ANYONE ELSE BUT THE IRAQIS
Hopefully someone heard me. The French cannot legitimize anything, nor can we. Only the Iraqis can. Now the role everyone else CAN play is in assisting the Iraqis in rebuilding in the way THEY want too. Christ sakes people this isnt a pissing match.
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: uncJIGGA
So it really is all about making money in the end? :|Originally posted by: CptObvious
Our blood sweat and tears so THEY can make money....uhhh, No
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Thanks for the clarification...couldn't see past Bush's smoke and mirrors until a fellow conservative cleared that up for me. Ironic how conservatives deny the war is about money and then furrow their brows at those money-grubbing bastards in France, Germany and Russia. How dare they try to profit from our liberation movement!
I don't like abortion, I don't like 'Hollywood' values, and I definately think we need to enforce some sort of moral (if not religious) values in our public schools, but I'd HATE to identify as a conservative. This pompous, self-righteous attitude some of the neo-conservatives have sickens me, and I hate that we're now using this in our foreign policy. Everytime I hear Bush speak about 'WMD' and 'terrorism' and 'Sah-dum' I feel like I'm being strung along in some hype circus and I feel dumber for having listened to him. The very least he could do is maintain a consistent message about what the hell we plan to do in Iraq and what our goal is for post-war Iraq when we're done.
How are we as a country going to MAKE money in this whole thing? You keep saying MAKE, but we will MAKE nothing.
That 70 Billion was an investment for our security. A Free Pro US Independant Iraq will not only benefit America but the Middle East. The Iraqi's are for the most part educated and Industrious People. Without the threat of Hussien over their heads they should prosper and become a great Center for Arab Culture and Economics. With the wealth of their oil they should be able to accomplish great things. Who knows, they may become of of the leading countries in the wold in the latter half of this century and become a Model for Arab Advancement.Originally posted by: Paveslave
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: uncJIGGA
So it really is all about making money in the end? :|Originally posted by: CptObvious
Our blood sweat and tears so THEY can make money....uhhh, No
:disgust:
Thanks for the clarification...couldn't see past Bush's smoke and mirrors until a fellow conservative cleared that up for me. Ironic how conservatives deny the war is about money and then furrow their brows at those money-grubbing bastards in France, Germany and Russia. How dare they try to profit from our liberation movement!
I don't like abortion, I don't like 'Hollywood' values, and I definately think we need to enforce some sort of moral (if not religious) values in our public schools, but I'd HATE to identify as a conservative. This pompous, self-righteous attitude some of the neo-conservatives have sickens me, and I hate that we're now using this in our foreign policy. Everytime I hear Bush speak about 'WMD' and 'terrorism' and 'Sah-dum' I feel like I'm being strung along in some hype circus and I feel dumber for having listened to him. The very least he could do is maintain a consistent message about what the hell we plan to do in Iraq and what our goal is for post-war Iraq when we're done.
How are we as a country going to MAKE money in this whole thing? You keep saying MAKE, but we will MAKE nothing.
Exactly is right, I would like to know too. The way I see it is we've already invested 70 something Billion dollars with a no-refund, no return on that. How exactly are we making money on this war, or after it?
To entertain the thought though... mind you this is not a justification. To entertain it though, even if we do make a profit somehow after this war, how long would it take to earn back our 70 billion? That is not counting what we spend years from now rebuilding their country either, so how are we going to make money from this? We aren't, we don't need too!
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
The Iraqi's are for the most part educated and Industrious People. Without the threat of Hussien over their heads they should prosper and become a great Center for Arab Culture and Economics. With the wealth of their oil they should be able to accomplish great things. Who knows, they may become of of the leading countries in the wold in the latter half of this century and become a Model for Arab Advancement.
Originally posted by: Marshallj
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
The Iraqi's are for the most part educated and Industrious People. Without the threat of Hussien over their heads they should prosper and become a great Center for Arab Culture and Economics. With the wealth of their oil they should be able to accomplish great things. Who knows, they may become of of the leading countries in the wold in the latter half of this century and become a Model for Arab Advancement.
While that utopian thought sounds all good and dandy, I don't think anyone in the middle east will be a "leading country" in the world as long as they're controlled by fundamentalist Islamism. I think that prevents them from thinking outside the box and innovating. They are too stuck on their past to be thinking of the future. Just look over there, many still dress the same way they did hundreds of years ago. They had a pretty advanced civilization thousands of years ago so it's not like they got a late start. They're just too controlled by their religion, much like Europe was controlled by the church in the Dark Ages.
I think if they preach a more moderate religion they'd make greater strides in technology, but as long as they live completely humbled by their religion I don't see them doing much.