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DigDog

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oh god no. No.
He's weak; and old. How the hell can this thin, frail old man impersonate a believable action-hero vigilante. The guy can't even stay awake past 9pm !

Or maybe this will be Batman the same way that Bubba-Ho-Tep was Elvis.
 

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Ghosts Of War 4/10

I really enjoyed most of it. There were a few issues here and there, but overall it kept my attention.

And then the last 20 minutes of the movie happened, and it the director decide to go full cheese.
 

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How do rattlesnakes fare in cold weather?
I ask cuz some dude walked into a trap filled with rattlesnakes, and they were quite active. BUT, it was very cold at night in the woods. You could see their breath in the air.
I wondered if maybe rattlesnakes curled up and slept in the cold, or moved a lot slower.
 

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Watched Justice League. Thought it sucked whish is the common opinion of most people. 4/10

Zack Synder is a lack luster producer IMO. 300 was good, not great. Has he ever produced a great movie? Dawn of the Dead was a good remake. Man of Steel? Anyway, the villan was just there. He didn't have much going on. Flash and Wonderwoman were decent. Why was Aquaman in this movie again? Thought he was out of place.
 

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I kill Giants -7.5/10 because Madison Wolfe is fantastic.

The story is tight enough to keep the story interesting but they(writer/director) over played their hand
of is it mental or there are giants? It keep going back and forth till the end, pick one damit.
 

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Watched Justice League. Thought it sucked whish is the common opinion of most people. 4/10

Zack Synder is a lack luster producer IMO. 300 was good, not great. Has he ever produced a great movie? Dawn of the Dead was a good remake. Man of Steel? Anyway, the villan was just there. He didn't have much going on. Flash and Wonderwoman were decent. Why was Aquaman in this movie again? Thought he was out of place.

Remember that he had to bow out (family crisis? can't remember) halfway through production and Joss Whedon took over. There's allegedly going to by a 'Synder Cut' of JL because he wasn't happy with the final result.

I'd like to think it could make a notable difference though I'm pretty tired with the typical (especially lately) comic book movie plot of "this guy is going to destroy the world! we have to stop him!".

Hmm, that thought has tempted me to watch the first X-Men movie again!
 

shortylickens

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Joss Whedon is only good if he has absolute control of a project from the very beginning. He's terrible at fixing things halfway thru.
 

DigDog

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Wasn't Michael Keaton already Batman?
yeah, 30 years ago. Tim Burton's Batman, 1989, with Keaton being completely overshadowed by Nicholson. I remember him struggling to raise his right arm with that rubber suits, to shoot the bat-hook. And THAT is about as vigorous as Keaton can be. I do not see a 2020 Batman film being character-driven and atmospheric, because kids would think it's lame. No, it needs stuff go boom.
 

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:oops: Oh, well, like they say, no accounting for taste. Actually, I can account for it, you whiffed on it, that's all.

Tomato meter has it as #17 of 26.

Critics Consensus: Diamonds are Forever is a largely derivative affair, but it's still pretty entertaining nonetheless, thanks to great stunts, witty dialogue, and the presence of Sean Connery.
Synopsis: In this spy adventure, James Bond is involved in a scheme by the insidious Ernst Blofeld to force the world... [More]
Starring: Sean Connery, Jill St. John, Charles Gray, Lana Wood
Directed By: Guy Hamilton

Well, like I said, I just melted for Connery's Bond. 007 goes to Heaven. That's where I'm at.

And like I said, the car chase scene through the Las Vegas Strip was to me the greatest ever.

I'm not saying it was the greatest Bond movie or even one of the greatest. I am in no position to say. Probably 1/2 or more I've never seen. Take my 9/10 with a pinch of salt, I only said that because the thread title says you're suppose to give an x/10 rating.

Note: 3 of the top 4 of the 26 Bond movies rated at Rotten Tomatoes were Connery's.

https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/guide/james-bond-movies/

Edit: It's the first Connery Bond movie I've seen in maybe 20-30 years, so maybe I can be forgiven for delighting in it. Sheesh. Goldfinger is coming. Supposed to be the greatest Bond movie ever. Prepare for 11/10.
weird though, you think Die Hard was unrealistic but love 007?
 

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weird though, you think Die Hard was unrealistic but love 007?
Oh, I'm just so weird. :rolleyes:

How could I like Connery's 007 films and not like Die Hard? I agree with Roger Ebert, the makers of Die Hard "shot themselves in the foot."

OTOH, Ebert perceives the genius of Diamonds are Forever

From Cinemania 97:

Diamonds Are Forever
UK (1971): Spy
Roger Ebert Review: 3.0 stars out of 4

119 min, Rated PG, Color, Available on videocassette and laserdisc

The cultists like the early James Bond movies best, but I dunno. They may have been more tightly directed films, but they didn't understand the Bond mythos as fully as GOLDFINGER and DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER. We see different movies for different reasons, and DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER is great at doing the things we see a James Bond movie for.

Not the least of these is the presence of Sean Connery, who was born to the role: dry, unflappable (even while trapped in a coffin at a crematorium), with a mouth that does as many kinds of sly grins as there are lascivious possibilities in the universe. There's something about his detachment from danger that props up the whole Bond apparatus, insulating it from the total ridiculousness only an inch away.

In DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER, for example, Bond finds himself driving a moon buggy (antennae wildly revolving and robot arms flapping) while being chased across a desert—never mind why. The buggy looks comical, but Connery does not; he is completely at home, as we know by now, with every form of transportation. Later, after outsmarting five Las Vegas squad cars in a lovely chase scene, he nonchalantly flips his Mustang up on two wheels to elude the sixth. But not a sign of a smile. There is an exhilaration in the way he does it, even more than in the stunt itself.

The plot of DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER is as complicated as possible. That's necessary in order to have somebody left after nine dozen bad guys have been killed. It has been claimed that the plot is too complicated to describe, but I think I could if I wanted to. I can't imagine why anyone would want to, though. The point in a Bond adventure is the moment, the surface, what's happening now. The less time wasted on plot, the better.
 
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Roger Ebert thinks HE understands films, but everyone else is an idiot. What a moron.
Now, *I* understand film, and everyone else is an idiot. Totally different case.
 
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Roger Ebert thinks HE understands films, but everyone else is an idiot. What a moron.
Now, *I* understand film, and everyone else is an idiot. Totally different case.
You misunderstand Roger Ebert. And probably a whole lot else (no doubt).
 

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oh god no. No.
He's weak; and old. How the hell can this thin, frail old man impersonate a believable action-hero vigilante. The guy can't even stay awake past 9pm !

Or maybe this will be Batman the same way that Bubba-Ho-Tep was Elvis.
Are they perhaps going to do one of the 'Batman has grown old' plots? Maybe to revive the Batman Beyond universe?
 

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come on, seriously, Ebert is not difficult to understand.

He doesn't like "peasant" stuff. No love for any Schwartzenegger films, doesn't get the thrill of a good buttkicking. He likes "old" film, father figures, and attempts at art. I would guess that he thinks The Seventh Seal is the most important film ever made.

I will let you draw your own conclusions. Everyone has a different opinion, obviously, and we base this on our observations of the world around us. We can't all observe *everything* so at some point our conclusions will diverge, simply based on different experience.

My father, who was born in 1918 and worked in film for most of his life, told me a story once. Casablanca was viewed as "pulp fiction" when it came out. Critics hated it, they thought the Rick was an unrealistic, forcibly macho character that should be ridiculed.

I don't think Ebert ever got the memo. He still thinks that way.
 

DigDog

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me, i made the mistake of watching some Jodie Whittaker's Doctor Who and i regret it.

I started with the Christmas special, which traditionally is a longer, better-made episode, and can be either outside of the main plotline, or pivotal to it.
There's a bunch of daleks that, for once, kill a lot of stuff. Shoot first daleks. US Police daleks.
Good because i hate the daleks' constant shouting of "exterminate" and yet it takes them ages to kill ONE guy.
So The Doctor decides to call in more daleks and the daleks kill the daleks.

Obviously there is one excessively evil rich person who ruins his own life by being rich and evil. EXACTLY like the same identical character in the episode aptly named "dalek".

Not horrible, but really, doesn't feel like a Doctor Who show anymore, as the background events take more and more space and the doctor's personality is more and more irrelevant.

Then i googled a bit to see what i'd missed in these two years and i watched The Timeless Child, (Doctor Who) and witnessed a colossal fuckup of retconning THE ENTIRE LEAD CHARACTER'S BACKGROUND STORY and "frankly" i thought to myself "i don't know why i do this".

would not recommend, 5/10
 

Muse

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come on, seriously, Ebert is not difficult to understand.
But you obviously misunderstand him.

My father, who was born in 1918 and worked in film for most of his life, told me a story once. Casablanca was viewed as "pulp fiction" when it came out. Critics hated it, they thought the Rick was an unrealistic, forcibly macho character that should be ridiculed.

I don't think Ebert ever got the memo. He still thinks that way.
Ebert's take on Casablanca, from Cinemania 97:

Casablanca
US (1942): War/Drama
Roger Ebert Review: 4.0 stars out of 4

102 min, No rating, Black & White, Available on videocassette and laserdisc

CASABLANCA is The Movie.

There are greater movies. More profound movies. Movies of greater artistic vision or artistic originality or political significance. There are other titles we would put above it on our lists of the best films of all time. But when it comes right down to the movies we treasure the most, when we are—let us imagine—confiding the secrets of our heart to someone we think we may be able to trust, the conversation sooner or later comes around to the same seven words:
"I really love CASABLANCA."
"I do too."

This is a movie that has transcended the ordinary categories. It has outlived the Bogart cult, survived the revival circuit, shrugged off those who would deface it with colorization, leaped across time to win audiences who were born decades after it was made. Sooner or later, usually before they are twenty-one, everyone sees CASABLANCA. And then it becomes their favorite movie.

It is The Movie.

In 1992, CASABLANCA was over fifty years old. That is a long time in movie history, since the movies themselves are only about a hundred. But it is an instant in the span of time, and some of the people who made it, including two of its writers, are still alive. The stars are all dead, but Curt Bois, who played the little pickpocket who warned visitors to Casablanca against the pickpockets, died only in 1992. The story of how it was made, of how quickly and inevitably this wonderful film seemed to flow through the studio system, is part of Hollywood legend. It is told again in a new book, Casablanca: The Script and the Legend, 50th Anniversary Edition (Overlook Press), which includes the screenplay, a memoir by co-writer Howard Koch, and essays by various people who love the film, myself included.

Movies are, in a sense, immortal. It is likely that people will be watching CASABLANCA centuries from now (and how wonderful it would be if we could see movies from centuries ago). In another sense, however, movies are fragile. They live on long flexible strips of celluloid, which fade, and tear, and collect scratches every time they travel through a movie projector. And sometimes films burn or disintegrate into dust.

For the 50th anniversary of CASABLANCA, the Turner movie division, which now owns the film, has brought out a restored black-and-white 35mm theatrical print. The chances are it looks better than any version of CASABLANCA you have ever seen. This new print is also the basis for a new videotape release of the film, and prints of comparable quality have been made into laserdiscs by Warner Bros. and the Criterion Collection. I admire the tape and both of the discs, but I will offer one urgent piece of advice: If there is any way you can see this movie in 35mm in a theater, with an audience, do it.

And as for The Movie itself …

The key passages in CASABLANCA, of course, are the ones that immediately follow the unexpected entrance of Ingrid Bergman, as Ilsa, into Rick's place. These are unusual among classic movie scenes in being more emotionally affecting on subsequent viewings than they are the first time, and indeed, CASABLANCA is one of those rare films that actually improves with repeated viewings.

The first time we see the film we know nothing of the great love affair between Rick and Ilsa in Paris, and so we are simply following along, and the byplay between Ilsa and Rick has still to be decoded. We know it means something, but as yet we don't fully understand it. Then the film continues, and we experience the memories of Paris, we understand the depth of Ilsa's feelings, and the movie sweeps on to its magnificent conclusion. The next time we see it, every word between Ilsa and Rick, every nuance, every look or averted glance, has a poignant meaning. It is a good enough scene the first time we see it, but a great scene the second time.

In a sense the whole movie demands the same kind of repeated viewings. Find, if you can, someone who has never seen it, and sit next to your friend during the film. You will almost certainly find yourself more involved than your companion. Your friend is not an insensitive boor; he or she simply does not understand, as you do, the infinite gradations of poignancy to be found behind every look, and overheard in every line. And a first viewing may not even pick up on some of the film's quieter asides, such as the subplot involving the young woman who will do anything to help her husband get out of Casablanca.

If familiarity makes the movie more effective, it also exposes some weaknesses that are not at first apparent. There came a time, in my history with CASABLANCA, when I realized that I did not like Victor Laszlo, the Paul Henreid character, very much. He is a heroic leader of the resistance, but he has no humor and no resilience. If in peacetime he finds himself in political office, I believe he will be most comfortable in a totalitarian regime. When at the end of the film Rick tells a lie about what happened between himself and Ilsa, in order to preserve Ilsa's image in Laszlo's eyes, Laszlo hardly seems to care. In fact, I think he hardly deserves Ilsa. Rick tells her that her place is at Victor's side, but does Victor notice her there, or need her there? In the long run he is married to his career and his heroism, and there will be more nights when she hears "As Time Goes By" and realizes she made a mistake when she got on that airplane.

Of course, CASABLANCA is not about love anyway, but about nobility. Set at a time when it seemed possible that the Nazis would overrun civilization, it seriously argues that the problems of a few little people don't amount to a hill of beans. The great break between CASABLANCA and almost all Hollywood love stories—even wartime romances—is that it does not believe love can, or should, conquer all. As I analyze my own feelings about the small handful of movies that affect me emotionally, I find that I am hardly ever moved by love, but often moved by self-sacrifice.

Like everyone who deeply cares for movies, I identify with some characters more than I might want to admit. In CASABLANCA, I identify with Rick, and what moves me is not his love for Ilsa but his ability to put a higher good above that love. The Henreid character is a pig because he wants to have his cake and eat it too. What kind of a serious resistance fighter would drag a woman around with him, placing her and his work in unnecessary danger, unless his ego required her adoration? A true hero would have insisted on leaving Casablanca alone, both for the good of his work and for the happiness of the woman he loves. Laszlo is so blind he does not even understand what exists between Rick and Ilsa. The movie makes a half-hearted attempt to show that Ilsa loves both men, but we can read her heart.
Bogart has never been more touching than as he sits alone with his bottle and his cigarette, drenched in self-pity. The cruelty with which he assaults Ilsa after she walks back into the empty club is all the more painful because it is masochistic; talking that way hurts Rick himself much more than it hurts her. He is tearing at an open wound. She is a little slow to understand, but then one of the screenplay's subtle qualities is that Ilsa is always a beat behind what is really happening.

If it were true, as legend has it, that the ending of the movie was not written until the last day, and that Bergman never knew which of the two men Ilsa would end up with, that would explain her air of being slightly dazed. Alas, this wonderful legend is almost certainly not true, because the Hollywood Production Code of the day would not have allowed her to abandon the man she was legally married to, and stay behind with the man she loves. No matter how often we hear that the ending was not delivered until the last day of shooting, CASABLANCA could only have ended as it does. And not simply because of the code, but also because the whole moral undercurrent of the movie requires Rick to sacrifice Ilsa.

Yet Bergman is utterly convincing as she turns from one man to the other on the tarmac of the airport. She is torn. And emotional confusion in the presence of a man she loves was always one of Bergman's strongest qualities as an actress. We can see that in Hitchcock's NOTORIOUS, a film with a buried theme remarkably similar to CASABLANCA, in which Cary Grant plays the man who loves her—but must pretend not to because of the higher goal of fighting the enemy.

Michael Curtiz's direction of CASABLANCA is remarkable for being completely economical. He creates a picture we would be hard-pressed to improve, and does it without calling attention to the fact that it has been directed at all. Mostly he uses the basic repertory of cinematic storytelling, as encoded by Griffith and rehearsed in thousands of earlier films: establishing shot, movement, medium shots, alternating close-ups, point-of-view shots, reactions. Is there a single shot that calls attention to itself for its own sake? I cannot think of one (there are dozens in CITIZEN KANE). Curtiz is at the of the characters and the story. Nobody ever asks, "Remember that great shot in CASABLANCA?" because there are no great shots in CASABLANCA. Anyone who thinks there are was misinformed.

Howard Hawks, asked for his definition of a great movie, said: "Three great scenes, no bad scenes." CASABLANCA multiplies his formula by four.
 
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Muse, do you think i'm going to read that wall ?

Casablanca is from .. uh, 1939 ? 1942. The critics hated it THEN.
Ebert is most from the 70s to the 80s (and then people stopped paying attention to him). In the 80s, he didn't like the equivalent of Casablanca. Too easy for him to parrot what other have said before him on Casablanca, but when you put him face to face with a first impression of an exagerated character, he doesn't know how to respond.


I mean, the guy isn't blind so occasionally he'll get something right, but my question to you is: which other film critics do you hold in esteem?

See, people .. humans, they are funny. They tend to make fast judgement and then defend it, regardless of its quality. The longer they defend it, the more entrenched they become.

Ebert's claim to fame was that he got a TV show. We .. tend to idealize people in such positions, and blindly accept what we are told. And, if not that, once we are made to agree with such person, we believe that no other opinion can exist. (actual science experiments have proven this, FYI)


Again, you can draw your own conclusions. If i take a whole bunch of past and present film critics, throwing into the pot even people like Red Letter Media, Roger Ebert is not one which i would pick .. for any characteristic. Not more knowledgeable, not more intuitive, not witty, impersonal .. he just doesn't seem to me, to have any .. outstanding qualities.

I would put WAAAY ahead of him Every Frame A Painting and then some.
 

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Edit, because sadly, it needs to be a separate post.

It's ok, it's a different line of thought from the previous. Almost as if i was replying to someone else. See, i mistakenly read the wall of text above and i wish i didn't.

Ebert's review of Casablanca is, frankly, SHIT. Here is why.

1. .. i cannot believe i have to do this. Bogart's name isn't even mentioned in the "about the film" section, but oh, Bergman is.
Except that Bergman is totally replaceable. You can have any TV star play Ilsa and the film will be just as well because Ilsa is irrelevant except as a plot device to complete Rick's character arc.

2. Ebert doesn't like Lazlow. Uh.
He's meant to be a flat, pointless character to project that Bogart could steal back Ilsa at any time and he wouldn't be able to do anything about it. As the leader of La Resitance, he can't even get his papers signed. This provide a temptation for Bogart to NOT be noble.
At least Ebert isn't blind enough to not get that the film is about nobility of the spirit.

THIS IS NOT BEING INTUITIVE. I mean, either that, or i'm a genius. This is about as intuitive as opening a carton of milk and wanting a prize for figuring out that the liquid therein contained is, in fact, milk.

FYI Henreid did not get on well with his fellow actors; he considered Bogart "a mediocre actor" Wikipedia

While Claud Rains [The Invisible Man] is pretty darn good as the happy-go-lucky Capt Renault of La Gendarmerie, this film is a Bogart show. Bogart is SO FUCKING COOL and, you know, saying "i identify with Rick because he is noble" without ever mentioning that he's damned or that he's an anti-hero or that he's cool makes me think Ebert comes from another planet.
Keep in mind that a good part of Rick's character is that he doesn't want Ilsa back. "you belong with Laszlo" is an excuse for him to avoid the pain.
Being a hero is only a coincidence, to Rick. Laszlo doesn't even need to exist. Ilsa doesn't exist, if not as a memory, and Rick understands that he's not the same man anymore, and that's why he can never go back .. to "Paris".


3. no point is even discussing his critique of the direction being flat. it was the 40s. Cameras weighted 200Kgs. And Curtiz is no Welles.
Pacing is on point, though.


We have a longstanding film culture in Italy - due to Cinecitta' being the world's second largest, second busiest film studio after Hollywood - and Casablanca was in near constant rotation on TV. I've seen the film .. rough guess, a cool 30 times. I wore the Hat and the Trenchcoat. I was never as cool as Bogart if not in my mind, but i know my casablanca.
 
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Muse, do you think i'm going to read that wall ?

Casablanca is from .. uh, 1939 ? 1942. The critics hated it THEN.
Ebert is most from the 70s to the 80s (and then people stopped paying attention to him). In the 80s, he didn't like the equivalent of Casablanca. Too easy for him to parrot what other have said before him on Casablanca, but when you put him face to face with a first impression of an exagerated character, he doesn't know how to respond.


I mean, the guy isn't blind so occasionally he'll get something right, but my question to you is: which other film critics do you hold in esteem?

See, people .. humans, they are funny. They tend to make fast judgement and then defend it, regardless of its quality. The longer they defend it, the more entrenched they become.

Ebert's claim to fame was that he got a TV show. We .. tend to idealize people in such positions, and blindly accept what we are told. And, if not that, once we are made to agree with such person, we believe that no other opinion can exist. (actual science experiments have proven this, FYI)


Again, you can draw your own conclusions. If i take a whole bunch of past and present film critics, throwing into the pot even people like Red Letter Media, Roger Ebert is not one which i would pick .. for any characteristic. Not more knowledgeable, not more intuitive, not witty, impersonal .. he just doesn't seem to me, to have any .. outstanding qualities.

I would put WAAAY ahead of him Every Frame A Painting and then some.
I don't need a lecture on human psychology. Every prescient person understands those things intuitively, they don't need to be told, as a matter of fact.

Ebert's claim to fame? He was a long standing film critic at the IIRC Chicago Tribune. He didn't just get a TV show like Trump, who was a brash but failed businessman. Ebert was a successful critic. He wrote one film script, I believe.

I watched his TV show sometimes but it's his written criticism that I admire... a lot of the time. I will say it again: I think the film critic that you can rely on doesn't exist, never has and never will. It's impossible to get it right all the time because no one person can pick up on where every movie is coming from. I sometimes disagree with Ebert, completely. I have read more of his reviews that I agree with or learn from than any other critic.

I don't tend to read criticism, especially before seeing a movie. I like to see a movie with as little idea of what I'm in for as possible. Expectations will affect my experience, is the reason why. If I don't like a movie I may well not have any motivation to see what critics or the public think about it. If I do like it or am seeking demystification (which happens a lot), then I will visit criticism. But I'm more apt to hit Wikipedia for that than a particular critic, because I know that Wikipedia (being pretty much open source) is apt to be a lot less biased than the "average" critical treatment.
 

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We have a longstanding film culture in Italy - due to Cinecitta' being the world's second largest, second busiest film studio after Hollywood - and Casablanca was in near constant rotation on TV. I've seen the film .. rough guess, a cool 30 times. I wore the Hat and the Trenchcoat. I was never as cool as Bogart if not in my mind, but i know my casablanca.
I've seen Casablanca (1942) I figure at least 7 times:

04/03/2014
06/01/2010
05/01/2006
11/01/2005
12/23/2003
04/01/1982
04/01/1964

It's been over 6 years. I figure I'm due. I have the DVD, probably not the best edition but should do.

I got into Bogart in 1964, I was hanging out with a high school buddy who was going to Harvard. They had a Bogart festival at a theater next to the campus.

Edit. Wikipedia's treatment includes this interesting statement:
It was certainly impossible for Ilsa to leave Laszlo for Rick, as the Motion Picture Production Code forbade showing a woman leaving her husband for another man. The concern was not whether Ilsa would leave with Laszlo, but how this outcome would be engineered.
 
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