Notre Dame students plan walkout during Mike Pence speech

[GagHalfrunt]

The Pope, the leader of the Catholic church, is at least willing to accept aspects of science like evolution. While I'm not religious, they at least come across as the most open-minded... or understand how to work influence in their favor by absorbing common science into their fold to reduce doubt.

Yay! For the first time in 2000 years there's a guy at the top with half a brain. Francis probably is a decent person with good ideas who could maybe help lead the Catholic church out of the 5th century where it's been mired. But the problem is that people like you and I see him as a positive influence on possibly the most corrupt, vile organization in history, a huge chunk of that organizations membership hates him for that very same reason. They don't want to change, they don't want open minds. They want somebody to tell them that they're special and everyone who isn't them is going to suffer gods wrath.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

if pence is a real christian he wouldn't kill. As president he will have to kill people. Therefore he is no tru™ christian.

Nor Scottsman

A lot of Christians believe war is murder and have gone in service as a CO. If you are interested at all there is a distinction between killing and murder going back forever. Murder is a purposeful act of wrongfully taking a life. If Pence were to become President he has two obligations which are not opposed. He can use force at need (note that word) to defend the nations, however he is obliged to do so only as absolute need. Naturally this is a moral perspective aside from religion and any moral person regardless of beliefs should adhere to. No, you don't have to be religions to do good, and all too much harm is done by those who say they are religious.

 

[justoh]

The Pope, the leader of the Catholic church, is at least willing to accept aspects of science like evolution. While I'm not religious, they at least come across as the most open-minded... or understand how to work influence in their favor by absorbing common science into their fold to reduce doubt.

Guess that's something. What about the whole keeping Africa and South America in the dark ages? Their minds have been permanently colonized. I guess as long as the infallible primate leader is "at least willing to accept aspects of science like evolution," never mind those motherfuckers? Makes sense. Complaining about pence vs the poor when your religion is basically the worst thing that's ever happened to humanity, and continues to be the reason why we have so much poverty everywhere that's catholic, is... ironic? coincidental?

 

[JSt0rm]

Nor Scottsman

A lot of Christians believe war is murder and have gone in service as a CO. If you are interested at all there is a distinction between killing and murder going back forever. Murder is a purposeful act of wrongfully taking a life. If Pence were to become President he has two obligations which are not opposed. He can use force at need (note that word) to defend the nations, however he is obliged to do so only as absolute need. Naturally this is a moral perspective aside from religion and any moral person regardless of beliefs should adhere to. No, you don't have to be religions to do good, and all too much harm is done by those who say they are religious.

A lot of people arent pence. Pence the religious zealot isnt really that religious at all. Makes you think about all the fakeness surrounding christian exceptionalism. doesnt matter though. Pence can kill millions and get "forgiven" by his god later. convenient.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Someone's projecting.

For what it's worth, I did break by back (figuratively, not really, I was a 20-something) and sweat in the heat of Biloxi, MS rebuilding after Katrina.

Not projecting, but stating a general truth to someone boasting in absence of actions. I believe you did good because as I have said that is an ability all men have. Yet, when I have taken trips to strange lands like LA, the majority which stayed the longest were associated with some project which originated in a congregation. The place I mentioned was in the mountains of Jamaica and there were lots of little projects going on, little churches sending people out with no fanfare, no news, no footprint but with new friends who welcomed them. Note i'm not saying others cannot do good, but a church offers a social setting which can promote sensitivity to the needs of others and a body of people willing to help. It's harder in other situations, and again it isn't because an atheist is inferior. Opportunity may not be the same. Well that's my speculation. After all these people found this son of a bitch

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Planning to walk out is now considered "news"? Couldn't they wait until they actually did walk out before reporting on it? Must be a slow news day for the brain-dead lemmings amongst us who live for this kind of crap.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Not projecting, but stating a general truth to someone boasting in absence of actions. I believe you did good because as I have said that is an ability all men have. Yet, when I have taken trips to strange lands like LA, the majority which stayed the longest were associated with some project which originated in a congregation. The place I mentioned was in the mountains of Jamaica and there were lots of little projects going on, little churches sending people out with no fanfare, no news, no footprint but with new friends who welcomed them. Note i'm not saying others cannot do good, but a church offers a social setting which can promote sensitivity to the needs of others and a body of people willing to help. It's harder in other situations, and again it isn't because an atheist is inferior. Opportunity may not be the same. Well that's my speculation. After all these people found this son of a bitch

Hypothetical:
Which is more selfish, a person helping another person because they believes it's what he should do for the protection of society or at least the small social construct they are a part of, or a person helping another person because they believe they're doing work which will eventually lead them to everlasting happiness?

 

[JSt0rm]

Not projecting, but stating a general truth to someone boasting in absence of actions. I believe you did good because as I have said that is an ability all men have. Yet, when I have taken trips to strange lands like LA, the majority which stayed the longest were associated with some project which originated in a congregation. The place I mentioned was in the mountains of Jamaica and there were lots of little projects going on, little churches sending people out with no fanfare, no news, no footprint but with new friends who welcomed them. Note i'm not saying others cannot do good, but a church offers a social setting which can promote sensitivity to the needs of others and a body of people willing to help. It's harder in other situations, and again it isn't because an atheist is inferior. Opportunity may not be the same. Well that's my speculation. After all these people found this son of a bitch

Your such a good person.

 

[JSt0rm]

Planning to walk out is now considered "news"? Couldn't they wait until they actually did walk out before reporting on it? Must be a slow news day for the brain-dead lemmings amongst us.

says the trump voter

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Hypothetical:
Which is more selfish, a person helping another person because they believes it's what he should do for the protection of society or at least the small social construct they are a part of, or a person helping another person because they believe they're doing work which will eventually lead them to everlasting happiness?

What if a person helps another because he religion says that is doing good and trip into heaven isn't what matters most?

My reply is that we should do good. If you do so then you have made the world a better place and to go bibleish, "You will know them by their fruits". If I am in dire need and you really want to help I'd say thank you. You aren't better for being something you are better for doing good. Does that answer your question?

 

[1sikbITCH]

Lol. "Catholic values... " hilarious, buddy

They should embrace pence with open arms.

Eww thought it said penis.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Your such a good person.

Only in my spare time

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

What if a person helps another because he religion says that is doing good and trip into heaven isn't what matters most?

My reply is that we should do good. If you do so then you have made the world a better place and to go bibleish, "You will know them by their fruits". If I am in dire need and you really want to help I'd say thank you. You aren't better for being something you are better for doing good. Does that answer your question?

No, because it's being done for selfish reasons. The context of the act is as important as the act in my opinion, because a person doing good for the wrong reasons could just as easily do evil tomorrow for the same wrong reasons.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

if pence is a real christian he wouldn't kill. As president he will have to kill people. Therefore he is no tru™ christian.

There are no true Christians. If anyone had to really live according to the Bible they'd get arrested and executed. Every Christian follows their own personal religion where he/she decides which parts of the bible are real law of God,which parts are simply allegorical stories to impart a message and which parts are inconvenient and simply ignored. Then they do whatever the hell they want to do, hate whomever they want to hate and pick out passages from the big book of fairytales to justify it all.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

says the trump voter

You keep regurgitating that lie....over and over and over. I can't understand how a "good" person like you can tell so many lies and never feel bad about it.

 

[JSt0rm]

You keep regurgitating that lie....over and over and over. I can't understand how a "good" person like you can tell so many lies and never feel bad about it.

like you didnt vote for trump. LOOOOOL. Im not a good person. I already said so.

 

[JSt0rm]

I am chaotic neutral

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I am chaotic neutral

Totally sidebar: Do you do this too? Assign D&D alignment matrix values to people you meet on a day to day basis? I feel like it allows me to work with/coerce people easier.

 

[JSt0rm]

Totally sidebar: Do you do this too? Assign D&D alignment matrix values to people you meet on a day to day basis? I feel like it allows me to work with/coerce people easier.

I dont but maybe I should start

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

No, because it's being done for selfish reasons. The context of the act is as important as the act in my opinion, because a person doing good for the wrong reasons could just as easily do evil tomorrow for the same wrong reasons.

I'll still take the help and people do good because that is what they were taught and believe, yes even in a church. Would people think they would be rewarded? Sure, but that is not why everyone did it. You yourself, did you not know you did a good thing? That people would say so? Of course you did. Is that you you helped because you knew someone like me would appreciate your efforts? I think it's more likely that you saw a need and filled in. Whatever comes after is secondary.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

like you didnt vote for trump. LOOOOOL. Im not a good person. I already said so.

How many times do I need to tell you before it finally sinks into that thick skull of yours? And if you think your incessant lying makes you a good person...go for it. But please forgive me if I don't share that perspective.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I dont but maybe I should start

There's an app for that.

 

[JSt0rm]

How many times do I need to tell you before it finally sinks into that thick skull of yours? And if you think your incessant lying makes you a good person...go for it. But please forgive me if I don't share that perspective.

Ive told you 2 times now Im not a good person! When will it sink into that thick skull of yours? you trump voters are all the same.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I'll still take the help and people do good because that is what they were taught and believe, yes even in a church. Would people think they would be rewarded? Sure, but that is not why everyone did it. You yourself, did you not know you did a good thing? That people would say so? Of course you did. Is that you you helped because you knew someone like me would appreciate your efforts? I think it's more likely that you saw a need and filled in. Whatever comes after is secondary.

No, I did it because we were 'encouraged' (see: required) to perform volunteer work. I had done construction-ish work in the past, and since it was less of a pain in the ass than picking up trees off the highway I did some house rebuilding.

I worked extra hours because I take pride in what I do and wanted to see the project I was actively working on to completion.

Nobody thanked me for the work, nor would I have expected them to. It was a compulsory activity that needed to be done, so I did it.

 

[Younigue]

I'm glad it was reported on. Protests have become absurd. This is a peaceful solution and I think everyone needs to hear it.

I understand that people are angry, me included but to go to protests and strike out violently serves no purpose. Any time any one lays their hand on someone they reinforce their victims beliefs not only about the subject at hand but of the types of people they oppose are.

As far as Pence's religious beliefs go and even that he calls on them in his approach to policy he wants to impose, I think nothing of his religion as I form my opinion of him. I don't think he's a good person. I think he has hate in his heart. I think he only cares about a very small group of people. He's ugly whether he blames it on a religion or not.

That being said, my thoughts on organized religion is that it's a crutch, an excuse, can be dangerous, a justification to be good or bad, should actually be considered a support group and should be treated as such...