Notre Dame students plan walkout during Mike Pence speech

[Homerboy]

Will be interesting to see how this unfolds and what number of students participate.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/18/us/mi...-pence-speech1200PMVODtopLink&linkId=37782158

When Vice President Mike Pence delivers the commencement speech at Notre Dame on Sunday, he'll likely speak to fewer people than he expected.

Some students at the Catholic university plan to walk out of the speech as part of a protest against Pence and his policies, which they say target marginalized people on the basis of their religion, skin color or sexual orientation, according to the student activist group We Stand For.

Luis Miranda, a co-organizer of the walkout, said Pence, as Indiana governor and as vice president, targeted vulnerable people with his policies. Catholic values promote standing up for the poor and marginalized, so he plans to stand up on Sunday, literally.

Miranda said some of his family members are undocumented immigrants and have felt under siege by the Trump administration's crackdown on immigration.
"They are going to be in the audience in one of the most important moments of my life with someone targeting them for who they are," he said.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

somehow this will dissolve into pency's free speech being restricted or some other horseshit.

 

[Homerboy]

somehow this will dissolve into pency's free speech being restricted or some other horseshit.

It's like seeing Hamilton all over again...

 

[justoh]

Lol. "Catholic values... " hilarious, buddy

They should embrace pence with open arms.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Lol. "Catholic values... " hilarious, buddy

They should embrace pence with open arms.

Catholic values are hating people who refuse to think and act exactly as you think they should. Sounds like these kids have it down pretty well. They're true modern Catholics.

 

[alien42]

Lol. "Catholic values... " hilarious, buddy

They should embrace pence with open arms.

why in the world would they embrace a man of such hate, lies and division?

 

[justoh]

why in the world would they embrace a man of such hate, lies and division?

The worst type of person is exactly whom they embrace. Albanian dwarf ring any bells?

 

[GagHalfrunt]

why in the world would they embrace a man of such hate, lies and division?

Because he speaks their language. In a slightly different reality Pence is the kind of guy that would have become pope.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Pence shows all too often what a Christian should not be.

Bible story time! After Jesus the Apostles got together to work some things out between them. One was who would lead which group where. Peter and some others would preach among the Jews and Paul and his would go to the Gentiles AKA Greeks. At the end of all this everyone agreed with the condition that Paul should care for the poor, which he stated what what he wanted to do all along.

To me Pence and his would have fit best with this adminition, to despise and harm the poor. All too many who call themselves Christians are alike in that spirit.

 

[Azuma Hazuki]

The Abrahamic God, if he exists at all, is some kind of demon or evil spirit. First of all, any being that demands worship is not worthy of it. Second, as per Judges 1:19 he's not actually all that powerful; any modern armored division could stop him. Third, he's clearly a psychopath; the fact that "don't curse using my name" is a Commandment but "don't commit rape" isn't says it all. He's like an all-powerful frat boy.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The Abrahamic God, if he exists at all, is some kind of demon or evil spirit. First of all, any being that demands worship is not worthy of it. Second, as per Judges 1:19 he's not actually all that powerful; any modern armored division could stop him. Third, he's clearly a psychopath; the fact that "don't curse using my name" is a Commandment but "don't commit rape" isn't says it all. He's like an all-powerful frat boy.

And yet I went with Christians who asked me to accompany them to poor island communities which were wrecked by storms as I am known to be handy by some. Everyone ponied up their own money and paid the way for travel and supplies. These were not wealthy people and made a real sacrifice. We worked like hell for two weeks. We slept where the people slept. We ate what they ate. Was religion mentioned? Of course, but it wasn't "convert or suffer". People just worked, got to know each other, talked about what ws important and we left with this tiny village in much better shape. No it wasn't "I have to do this or I will be punished" or "workfare into heaven". Someone read an article in the back pages and spread an idea to help. Why? Because it was the right thing to do.

Who here has done better than they?

 

[JSt0rm]

lol these snowflakes not willing to hear a special snowflake

 

[JSt0rm]

And yet I went with Christians who asked me to accompany them to poor island communities which were wrecked by storms as I am known to be handy by some. Everyone ponied up their own money and paid the way for travel and supplies. These were not wealthy people and made a real sacrifice. We worked like hell for two weeks. We slept where the people slept. We ate what they ate. Was religion mentioned? Of course, but it wasn't "convert or suffer". People just worked, got to know each other, talked about what ws important and we left with this tiny village in much better shape. No it wasn't "I have to do this or I will be punished" or "workfare into heaven". Someone read an article in the back pages and spread an idea to help. Why? Because it was the right thing to do.

Who here has done better than they?

christianity is actually a trick of the devil to get people to sin with the belief they can be forgiven for that sin "later on". A proper atheist and humanist understands how amazing life is.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

And yet I went with Christians who asked me to accompany them to poor island communities which were wrecked by storms as I am known to be handy by some. Everyone ponied up their own money and paid the way for travel and supplies. These were not wealthy people and made a real sacrifice. We worked like hell for two weeks. We slept where the people slept. We ate what they ate. Was religion mentioned? Of course, but it wasn't "convert or suffer". People just worked, got to know each other, talked about what ws important and we left with this tiny village in much better shape. No it wasn't "I have to do this or I will be punished" or "workfare into heaven". Someone read an article in the back pages and spread an idea to help. Why? Because it was the right thing to do.

Who here has done better than they?

I worked with an army cat that had a grenade go off in his lap while patrolling backwoods towns in a country that didn't want us to be there in order to protect them from (at the time) the Taliban. Religion doesn't have to be required to do good things.

Funny guy though, considering his junk had gotten blown off.

 

[Azuma Hazuki]

And yet I went with Christians who asked me to accompany them to poor island communities which were wrecked by storms as I am known to be handy by some. Everyone ponied up their own money and paid the way for travel and supplies. These were not wealthy people and made a real sacrifice. We worked like hell for two weeks. We slept where the people slept. We ate what they ate. Was religion mentioned? Of course, but it wasn't "convert or suffer". People just worked, got to know each other, talked about what ws important and we left with this tiny village in much better shape. No it wasn't "I have to do this or I will be punished" or "workfare into heaven". Someone read an article in the back pages and spread an idea to help. Why? Because it was the right thing to do.

Who here has done better than they?

You're missing the point. I am not talking about Christians; I am talking about Christianity (and Judaism, and Islam). These people are good in spite of their religion, not because of it.

 

[JSt0rm]

The worst type of person is exactly whom they embrace. Albanian dwarf ring any bells?

 

[JSt0rm]

I worked with an army cat that had a grenade go off in his lap while patrolling backwoods towns in a country that didn't want us to be there in order to protect them from (at the time) the Taliban. Religion doesn't have to be required to do good things.

Funny guy though, considering his junk had gotten blown off.

"Laugh, and the world laughs with you; weep, and you weep alone"

 

[WelshBloke]

And yet I went with Christians who asked me to accompany them to poor island communities which were wrecked by storms as I am known to be handy by some. Everyone ponied up their own money and paid the way for travel and supplies. These were not wealthy people and made a real sacrifice. We worked like hell for two weeks. We slept where the people slept. We ate what they ate. Was religion mentioned? Of course, but it wasn't "convert or suffer". People just worked, got to know each other, talked about what ws important and we left with this tiny village in much better shape. No it wasn't "I have to do this or I will be punished" or "workfare into heaven". Someone read an article in the back pages and spread an idea to help. Why? Because it was the right thing to do.

Who here has done better than they?

Has that got anything to do with religion though?
People can do good things regardless of their religion. As you said they didn't go there to spread the word of god and they didn't go there to guarantee a place in heaven. They went there as humans to help other humans.

I dont see what that says about god being a douche or not.

 

[Aikouka]

Catholic values are hating people who refuse to think and act exactly as you think they should. Sounds like these kids have it down pretty well. They're true modern Catholics.

The Pope, the leader of the Catholic church, is at least willing to accept aspects of science like evolution. While I'm not religious, they at least come across as the most open-minded... or understand how to work influence in their favor by absorbing common science into their fold to reduce doubt.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

christianity is actually a trick of the devil to get people to sin with the belief they can be forgiven for that sin "later on". A proper atheist and humanist understands how amazing life is.

Funny, these people live a large and happy life and give of themselves in more ways than one. So where have you gone to help the poor, even going in debt to do so? When FEMA pulled out of New Orleans, were you, the proper athiest and humanist breaking your back in the scorching heat still there? When my mother's home was uprooted and demolished by a tornado, did you offer to build her a new home for just cost of materials? Certainly one does not have religion to do good, but anyone who thinks they are better being a "proper athiest and humanist" and doesn't match the efferts on others is a sham, religion or no religion.

 

[JSt0rm]

if pence is a real christian he wouldn't kill. As president he will have to kill people. Therefore he is no tru™ christian.

 

[JSt0rm]

Funny, these people live a large and happy life and give of themselves in more ways than one. So where have you gone to help the poor, even going in debt to do so? When FEMA pulled out of New Orleans, were you, the proper athiest and humanist breaking your back in the scorching heat still there? When my mother's home was uprooted and demolished by a tornado, did you offer to build her a new home for just cost of materials? Certainly one does not have religion to do good, but anyone who thinks they are better being a "proper athiest and humanist" and doesn't match the efferts on others is a sham, religion or no religion.

Im not a good person. But if I were I would do al of that without the idea of god throwing me in hell.

 

[JSt0rm]

how many people have died in the name of your god? How many people have died because they weren't atheist enough? Pretty sure atheists have had one of the most peaceful runs in human history.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Funny, these people live a large and happy life and give of themselves in more ways than one. So where have you gone to help the poor, even going in debt to do so? When FEMA pulled out of New Orleans, were you, the proper athiest and humanist breaking your back in the scorching heat still there? When my mother's home was uprooted and demolished by a tornado, did you offer to build her a new home for just cost of materials? Certainly one does not have religion to do good, but anyone who thinks they are better being a "proper athiest and humanist" and doesn't match the efferts on others is a sham, religion or no religion.

Someone's projecting.

For what it's worth, I did break by back (figuratively, not really, I was a 20-something) and sweat in the heat of Biloxi, MS rebuilding after Katrina.

 

[xthetenth]

The Abrahamic God, if he exists at all, is some kind of demon or evil spirit. First of all, any being that demands worship is not worthy of it. Second, as per Judges 1:19 he's not actually all that powerful; any modern armored division could stop him. Third, he's clearly a psychopath; the fact that "don't curse using my name" is a Commandment but "don't commit rape" isn't says it all. He's like an all-powerful frat boy.

There are some beautiful Christians who are Christian in that they look to the advice of Christ, who seems to be genuinely trying to be good throughout his story, even if he is mortal and fallible same as the rest of us (and according to their but not my belief, divine as well, theology is a weird rabbit hole). In a way his story doesn't matter if it's true or not, simply because if it isn't factually true, it still can be true in the sense of literary profundity and a perspective on humanity and morality.

And yet I went with Christians who asked me to accompany them to poor island communities which were wrecked by storms as I am known to be handy by some. Everyone ponied up their own money and paid the way for travel and supplies. These were not wealthy people and made a real sacrifice. We worked like hell for two weeks. We slept where the people slept. We ate what they ate. Was religion mentioned? Of course, but it wasn't "convert or suffer". People just worked, got to know each other, talked about what ws important and we left with this tiny village in much better shape. No it wasn't "I have to do this or I will be punished" or "workfare into heaven". Someone read an article in the back pages and spread an idea to help. Why? Because it was the right thing to do.

Who here has done better than they?

The Christianity of people such as these who seek an example and inspiration to do good, to seek those beneath them to extend a helping hand to and the Christianity of people like Pence who seek a reason to consider others beneath them to look down on are very different indeed.

somehow this will dissolve into pency's free speech being restricted or some other horseshit.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the right of a conservative speaker to an audience, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.[1]

Checks out!