Noted Sea Level Expert Accuses IPCC of Falsifying Data

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Note: Dr. Nils-Axel Mörner has been studying sea level change for 35 years. He is the former head of Stockholm University's department of Paleodeophysics and Geodynamics. Dr. Mörner is and an expert reviewer for the IPCC, leader of the Maldives Sea Level Project, and past president of the INQUA Commission on Sea Level Changes.

A noted expert in sea level change has accused UN's IPCC panel of falsifying and destroying data (PDF) to support the panel's official conclusion of a rising sea level trend. The accusations include surreptitious substitution of datasets, selective use of data, presenting computer model simulations as physical data, and even the destruction of physical markers which fail to demonstrate sea level rise.

The expert, Dr. Nils-Axel Mörner, also raps the IPCC for their selection of 22 authors of their most recent report on sea level rise (SLR), none of which were sea level specialists. According to Mörner, the authors were chosen to "arrive at a predetermined conclusion" of global warming-induced disaster.

Sea level changes can be detected by a number of methods. Rotational timing is a very precise method, and is based on the fact that a change in the earth's radius will cause minute differences in it's rate of rotation. A rise in sea level increases the radius slightly, and can therefore be detected by precisely timing when the sun rises and sets. This method can detect changes in sea level as small as one millimeter. Data collected in this manner has shown the ocean to have risen and fallen slightly several times since the early 1900s, without any definitive trend.

Satellite altimetry is another method. Mörner says that, in 2003, The IPCC's altimetry dataset, which had previously displayed no clear trend, suddenly changed, with past readings modified to show a strong uplift. Though corrections to datasets are supposed to be clearly announced and identified, this was done secretly, and not labeled. When Mörner inquired about the discrepancy, he was told the readings had been adjusted by a "correction factor".

Where did this factor come from? The least precise method of measuring sea level is tide gauge records. These are problematic as the land under the gauge may itself be rising or falling. Hong Kong maintains six tide gauges, five of which show no trend. The sixth, located on land where compaction is causing the ground to sink, was chosen by the IPCC as the correction factor for global altimetry data.

Tide gauges kept in the sensitive areas of Pacific and Indian Ocean islands show a different story. In Vanuatu, Tegua, and the Tuvalu Islands, gauge records show no trend at all. In the Maldives, tide gauges kept from the 1950s show a small drop in the 1970s, and no change since.

More shocking is Mörner's claim of the destruction of evidence. A famous low-lying tree in the Maldives has long been a marker for sea-level change, and noted in several research papers. But when an Australian team visited the island on a data-gathering trip, they saw the tree and pulled it down, according to local eyewitnesses. Mörner's team later replanted the tree in the same spot.

Climatologist and IPCC Expert Reviewer Dr. Madhav Khandekar, contacted by DailyTech in regards to this story, also believes SLR is being exaggerated by the IPCC. Khandekar says SLR over the next 100 years will be "insignificant" and pointed to recent research demonstrating SLR had actually declined in the latter half of the 20th century.

Dr. Mörner also had harsh words for the Maldives government. When the Maldives Sea Level Project concluded there was no threat to from rising sea levels, a documentary was made to reassure residents. The government, however, banned airing of the film. According to Mörner, the rationale for the ban was financial. The Maldives stands to gain hundreds of millions of dollars in climate change aid from Western governments. "Because they thought that they would lose money." He said, "They accuse the West for putting out carbon dioxide, so they wanted the flooding scenario to go on."

Mörner says it's becoming increasingly hard to perform objective climate research. In the European Community, a prerequisite for research grants is that the focus must be on global warming. Papers which don't support global warming aren't funded. "That's what dictatorships did, autocracies." He added, "They demanded that scientists produce what they wanted."
A lot of us have been pointing out the bolded part for a long time.
There is all this evidence of GW because that is the only way to get money for research.
It also explains why the oil companies produce evidence pointing the other way, because they offer money to people who are doing research in that direction.

How about handing money to the best in the field to look to perform objective non-outcome based research.
 

jonks

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I hate giving the thread the attention, but god forbid someone give this guy credibility. He's big into "dowsing."

Wikid:
Dowsing, sometimes called divining or water witching, refers to the practice of detecting hidden or buried water, metals, gemstones, or other such objects without the use of scientific apparatus. Dowsers generally make use of a Y- or L-shaped twig or rod to assist with detection, however some dowsers use other equipment or no equipment at all. Dowsing is widely practiced despite a lack of scientific evidence for its efficacy.


He also believes in bigfoot and the chupacabra. Let us put the fate of the earth in his hands.

http://www.randi.org/hotline/1998/0012.html
 

Genx87

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Come on didnt this guy get a Christmas card from Gore? The debate is over, science has proved mmgw is happening! The only recourse is to pay for those carbon credits! Preferably to the people screaming the loudest we are all going to die.
 

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Originally posted by: sirjonk
I hate giving the thread the attention, but god forbid someone give this guy credibility. He's big into "dowsing."

Wikid:
Dowsing, sometimes called divining or water witching, refers to the practice of detecting hidden or buried water, metals, gemstones, or other such objects without the use of scientific apparatus. Dowsers generally make use of a Y- or L-shaped twig or rod to assist with detection, however some dowsers use other equipment or no equipment at all. Dowsing is widely practiced despite a lack of scientific evidence for its efficacy.


He also believes in bigfoot and the chupacabra. Let us put the fate of the earth in his hands.

http://www.randi.org/hotline/1998/0012.html

In otherwords, attack the messenger and not the messege?
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: RedChief
Originally posted by: sirjonk
I hate giving the thread the attention, but god forbid someone give this guy credibility. He's big into "dowsing."

Wikid:
Dowsing, sometimes called divining or water witching, refers to the practice of detecting hidden or buried water, metals, gemstones, or other such objects without the use of scientific apparatus. Dowsers generally make use of a Y- or L-shaped twig or rod to assist with detection, however some dowsers use other equipment or no equipment at all. Dowsing is widely practiced despite a lack of scientific evidence for its efficacy.


He also believes in bigfoot and the chupacabra. Let us put the fate of the earth in his hands.

http://www.randi.org/hotline/1998/0012.html

In otherwords, attack the messenger and not the messege?

Give sirjonk a break. He had to have spent at least 5 mins frantically searching google for dirt on this guy to find some msgboard post from a decade ago to try and smear this guy.

lol
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: RedChief
Originally posted by: sirjonk
I hate giving the thread the attention, but god forbid someone give this guy credibility. He's big into "dowsing."

Wikid:
Dowsing, sometimes called divining or water witching, refers to the practice of detecting hidden or buried water, metals, gemstones, or other such objects without the use of scientific apparatus. Dowsers generally make use of a Y- or L-shaped twig or rod to assist with detection, however some dowsers use other equipment or no equipment at all. Dowsing is widely practiced despite a lack of scientific evidence for its efficacy.


He also believes in bigfoot and the chupacabra. Let us put the fate of the earth in his hands.

http://www.randi.org/hotline/1998/0012.html

In otherwords, attack the messenger and not the messege?

Give sirjonk a break. He had to have spent at least 5 mins frantically searching google for dirt on this guy to find some msgboard post from a decade ago to try and smear this guy.

lol

You guys are now defending someone who claims to be a scientist who thinks he can "detect" water and minerals underground using a tree branch. I'll let everyone else make up their minds as to whether that has any bearing on his scientific opinion on sea water levels.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: sirjonk
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: RedChief
Originally posted by: sirjonk
I hate giving the thread the attention, but god forbid someone give this guy credibility. He's big into "dowsing."

Wikid:
Dowsing, sometimes called divining or water witching, refers to the practice of detecting hidden or buried water, metals, gemstones, or other such objects without the use of scientific apparatus. Dowsers generally make use of a Y- or L-shaped twig or rod to assist with detection, however some dowsers use other equipment or no equipment at all. Dowsing is widely practiced despite a lack of scientific evidence for its efficacy.


He also believes in bigfoot and the chupacabra. Let us put the fate of the earth in his hands.

http://www.randi.org/hotline/1998/0012.html

In otherwords, attack the messenger and not the messege?

Give sirjonk a break. He had to have spent at least 5 mins frantically searching google for dirt on this guy to find some msgboard post from a decade ago to try and smear this guy.

lol

You guys are now defending someone who claims to be a scientist who thinks he can "detect" water and minerals underground using a tree branch. I'll let everyone else make up their minds as to whether that has any bearing on his scientific opinion on sea water levels.


Defending? I am poking fun at your willingness to find posts from a decade ago to smear the guy.

Slow day at work today or something?
 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: sirjonk
You guys are now defending someone who claims to be a scientist who thinks he can "detect" water and minerals underground using a tree branch. I'll let everyone else make up their minds as to whether that has any bearing on his scientific opinion on sea water levels.

Just as stupid as defending a blowhard learjet liberal who has no background in science, no degree, and who purports to tell us that the sky is falling...no?

And whether he's right about falsifying numbers or not, it has happened before. NASA recently had to correct 10-year climate data and they weren't exactly forthcoming about it.
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: sirjonk
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: RedChief
Originally posted by: sirjonk
I hate giving the thread the attention, but god forbid someone give this guy credibility. He's big into "dowsing."

Wikid:
Dowsing, sometimes called divining or water witching, refers to the practice of detecting hidden or buried water, metals, gemstones, or other such objects without the use of scientific apparatus. Dowsers generally make use of a Y- or L-shaped twig or rod to assist with detection, however some dowsers use other equipment or no equipment at all. Dowsing is widely practiced despite a lack of scientific evidence for its efficacy.


He also believes in bigfoot and the chupacabra. Let us put the fate of the earth in his hands.

http://www.randi.org/hotline/1998/0012.html

In otherwords, attack the messenger and not the messege?

Give sirjonk a break. He had to have spent at least 5 mins frantically searching google for dirt on this guy to find some msgboard post from a decade ago to try and smear this guy.

lol

You guys are now defending someone who claims to be a scientist who thinks he can "detect" water and minerals underground using a tree branch. I'll let everyone else make up their minds as to whether that has any bearing on his scientific opinion on sea water levels.


Defending? I am poking fun at your willingness to find posts from a decade ago to smear the guy.

Slow day at work today or something?

Well it only took 30 seconds to find that post actually. And yeah, work is gonna be really freakin slow till January. No one wants to schedule any projects between Thanksgiving and Christmas/New Years.

Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: sirjonk
You guys are now defending someone who claims to be a scientist who thinks he can "detect" water and minerals underground using a tree branch. I'll let everyone else make up their minds as to whether that has any bearing on his scientific opinion on sea water levels.

Just as stupid as defending a blowhard learjet liberal who has no background in science, no degree, and who purports to tell us that the sky is falling...no?

And whether he's right about falsifying numbers or not, it has happened before. NASA recently had to correct 10-year climate data and they weren't exactly forthcoming about it.

You're equating Gore with a guy who thinks he can sense gold buried in the earth using ESP. Good job.
 

fskimospy

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This thread already promises a high humor level. Please continue defending this guy.

At first with all these stupid global warming threads I wanted to explain why you people were wrong. Then after awhile I just got frustrated and angry at the brick headedness of some people on here. Now? I mostly find them hilarious.
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: sirjonk
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: RedChief
Originally posted by: sirjonk
I hate giving the thread the attention, but god forbid someone give this guy credibility. He's big into "dowsing."

Wikid:
Dowsing, sometimes called divining or water witching, refers to the practice of detecting hidden or buried water, metals, gemstones, or other such objects without the use of scientific apparatus. Dowsers generally make use of a Y- or L-shaped twig or rod to assist with detection, however some dowsers use other equipment or no equipment at all. Dowsing is widely practiced despite a lack of scientific evidence for its efficacy.


He also believes in bigfoot and the chupacabra. Let us put the fate of the earth in his hands.

http://www.randi.org/hotline/1998/0012.html

In otherwords, attack the messenger and not the messege?

Give sirjonk a break. He had to have spent at least 5 mins frantically searching google for dirt on this guy to find some msgboard post from a decade ago to try and smear this guy.

lol

You guys are now defending someone who claims to be a scientist who thinks he can "detect" water and minerals underground using a tree branch. I'll let everyone else make up their minds as to whether that has any bearing on his scientific opinion on sea water levels.

You're the one who posted a link to something from a magician who froze himself in ice.
 

CycloWizard

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Originally posted by: sirjonk
You guys are now defending someone who claims to be a scientist who thinks he can "detect" water and minerals underground using a tree branch. I'll let everyone else make up their minds as to whether that has any bearing on his scientific opinion on sea water levels.
The IPCC obviously thought enough of his scientific abilities to make him one of their expert reviewers. And what he is saying about the IPCC's sea level changes is correct: they are absolutely absurd. Sea level changes are perhaps the single most understood phenomenon in climate change, and they change at a nearly constant rate as they have been doing for centuries.

This is not to say that climate change isn't happening or should be ignored (because it certainly is happening and shouldn't be ignored), but the propaganda regarding the skyrocketing sea levels is simply bad science. We should be much more worried about things like the acidification of the ocean as it absorbs carbon dioxide. The change in pH of the oceans makes the formation of skeletons for sea creatures impossible because of a change in the solubility characteristics of calcium carbonate. Sounds stupid, but recent reports seem to indicate that degradation of sea life lead to the last ice age very rapidly since they were no longer managing the energy that was impacting the ocean. But no one will listen to this concern because it's less dramatic and harder to understand than the Al Gores of the world shouting from the rooftops about the "WTFBBQ RISING OCEANS!!!1!"
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: sirjonk
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: RedChief
Originally posted by: sirjonk
I hate giving the thread the attention, but god forbid someone give this guy credibility. He's big into "dowsing."

Wikid:
Dowsing, sometimes called divining or water witching, refers to the practice of detecting hidden or buried water, metals, gemstones, or other such objects without the use of scientific apparatus. Dowsers generally make use of a Y- or L-shaped twig or rod to assist with detection, however some dowsers use other equipment or no equipment at all. Dowsing is widely practiced despite a lack of scientific evidence for its efficacy.


He also believes in bigfoot and the chupacabra. Let us put the fate of the earth in his hands.

http://www.randi.org/hotline/1998/0012.html

In otherwords, attack the messenger and not the messege?

Give sirjonk a break. He had to have spent at least 5 mins frantically searching google for dirt on this guy to find some msgboard post from a decade ago to try and smear this guy.

lol

You guys are now defending someone who claims to be a scientist who thinks he can "detect" water and minerals underground using a tree branch. I'll let everyone else make up their minds as to whether that has any bearing on his scientific opinion on sea water levels.

You're the one who posted a link to something from a magician who froze himself in ice.

Ask him if it was a trick or if he thinks he's actually Iceman. His response would be what he has said in the past: "Yes indeed, I'm a trickster, I'm a cheat, I'm a charlatan, that's what I do for a living. Everything I've done here was by trickery."

Ask Nils the same question about dowsing: "No, it's real. I can sense the reverbrations of the metal or water through the earth, my downsing stick picks up those vibrations, and my finely tuned dowsing sense alerts me to the exact location of those elements."

I made up the Nils quote but you get the idea.
 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: sirjonk
You're equating Gore with a guy who thinks he can sense gold buried in the earth using ESP. Good job.

Makes about as much sense as a guy who tells us "The Planet has a fever!" ...
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: sirjonk
You guys are now defending someone who claims to be a scientist who thinks he can "detect" water and minerals underground using a tree branch. I'll let everyone else make up their minds as to whether that has any bearing on his scientific opinion on sea water levels.
The IPCC obviously thought enough of his scientific abilities to make him one of their expert reviewers. And what he is saying about the IPCC's sea level changes is correct: they are absolutely absurd. Sea level changes are perhaps the single most understood phenomenon in climate change, and they change at a nearly constant rate as they have been doing for centuries.

This is not to say that climate change isn't happening or should be ignored (because it certainly is happening and shouldn't be ignored), but the propaganda regarding the skyrocketing sea levels is simply bad science. We should be much more worried about things like the acidification of the ocean as it absorbs carbon dioxide. The change in pH of the oceans makes the formation of skeletons for sea creatures impossible because of a change in the solubility characteristics of calcium carbonate. Sounds stupid, but recent reports seem to indicate that degradation of sea life lead to the last ice age very rapidly since they were no longer managing the energy that was impacting the ocean. But no one will listen to this concern because it's less dramatic and harder to understand than the Al Gores of the world shouting from the rooftops about the "WTFBBQ RISING OCEANS!!!1!"

Truth, like most people I don't know squat about sea levels and don't have enough time or inclination to learn enough about them to formulate a scientific opinion, so I like to be discriminating when I have to pick where I get summaries of that info.

http://cernigsnewshog.blogspot...ical-of-facts-but.html
Listed as an "allied expert" for a Canadian group called the "Natural Resource Stewardship Project," (NRSP) a lobby organization that refuses to disclose it's funding sources. Two of the three Directors on the board of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project are registered energy industry lobbyists and senior executives of the High Park Advocacy Group, a Toronto based lobby firm that specializes in ?energy, environment and ethics.?

I'm not saying this guy is entirely full of crap, but I've read enough in a couple minutes of googling to not throw my eggs in his basket. And the guy in the other GW thread posted today is a claimed "climate researcher", but he's actually a contraversal journalist with more than his share non-mainstream ideas, though admittedly nothing as oddballish as dowsing. Dowsing for chrissake. A scientist, dowsing. Shrug.
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: sirjonk
You're equating Gore with a guy who thinks he can sense gold buried in the earth using ESP. Good job.

Makes about as much sense as a guy who tells us "The Planet has a fever!" ...

Yep, a colorful metaphor is equivalent to a delusional belief. Keep going. Hope eskimo is enjoying my continued efforts to keep this thread going.
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: sirjonk
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: sirjonk
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: RedChief
Originally posted by: sirjonk
I hate giving the thread the attention, but god forbid someone give this guy credibility. He's big into "dowsing."

Wikid:
Dowsing, sometimes called divining or water witching, refers to the practice of detecting hidden or buried water, metals, gemstones, or other such objects without the use of scientific apparatus. Dowsers generally make use of a Y- or L-shaped twig or rod to assist with detection, however some dowsers use other equipment or no equipment at all. Dowsing is widely practiced despite a lack of scientific evidence for its efficacy.


He also believes in bigfoot and the chupacabra. Let us put the fate of the earth in his hands.

http://www.randi.org/hotline/1998/0012.html

In otherwords, attack the messenger and not the messege?

Give sirjonk a break. He had to have spent at least 5 mins frantically searching google for dirt on this guy to find some msgboard post from a decade ago to try and smear this guy.

lol

You guys are now defending someone who claims to be a scientist who thinks he can "detect" water and minerals underground using a tree branch. I'll let everyone else make up their minds as to whether that has any bearing on his scientific opinion on sea water levels.

You're the one who posted a link to something from a magician who froze himself in ice.

Ask him if it was a trick or if he thinks he's actually Iceman. His response would be what he has said in the past: "Yes indeed, I'm a trickster, I'm a cheat, I'm a charlatan, that's what I do for a living. Everything I've done here was by trickery."

Ask Nils the same question about dowsing: "No, it's real. I can sense the reverbrations of the metal or water through the earth, my downsing stick picks up those vibrations, and my finely tuned dowsing sense alerts me to the exact location of those elements."

I made up the Nils quote but you get the idea.

Honestly, I don't think it's a big deal. It's crazy, but lots of people believe in bizarre things like religious beliefs, UFO abductions, chupacabra, Big Foot, conspiracies, bizarre medical treatments, etc. As long as he doesn't apply bizarre chupacabra theories into his scientific work, I think it's ok.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: sirjonk
You're equating Gore with a guy who thinks he can sense gold buried in the earth using ESP. Good job.

Makes about as much sense as a guy who tells us "The Planet has a fever!" ...

No.
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Honestly, I don't think it's a big deal. It's crazy, but lots of people believe in bizarre things like religious beliefs, UFO abductions, chupacabra, Big Foot, conspiracies, bizarre medical treatments, etc. As long as he doesn't apply bizarre chupacabra theories into his scientific work, I think it's ok.

As long as his scientific record was clean as well, I'd be more inclined to agree. But it's not. See below where he lied about his position at a speaking engagement. But I find the bolded text more important than his misrepresentation.

http://secure.environmentaldef...868_morner_exposed.pdf
July 21, 2004
Academician Yuri Osipov
President of the Russian Academy of Sciences
14 Leninskii pr
Moscow 119991, Russia
Dear Dr. Osipov:
It has come to my attention that Dr. Nils-Axel Mörner gave presentations at the seminar on climate change organized by the Russian Academy of Sciences at the request of President Vladimir Putin earlier this month. Dr. Mörner attacked the science of climate change, while claiming that he President of the Commission on Sea Level Change of INQUA (International Union for Quaternary Research).

I am writing to inform you that Dr. Mörner has misrepresented his position with INQUA. Dr. Mörner was President of the Commission on Sea Level Change until July 2003, but the commission was terminated at that time during a reorganization of the commission structure of INQUA. Dr. Mörner currently has no formal position in INQUA, and I am distressed that he continues to represent himself in his former capacity. Further, INQUA, which is an umbrella organization for hundreds of researchers knowledgeable about past climate, does not subscribe to Mörner?s position on climate change. Nearly all of these researchers agree that humans are modifying Earth?s climate, a position diametrically opposed to Dr. Mörner?s point of view.Sincerely,
John J. Clague
President, INQUA
jjc:
cc. Sir David King
Pete Coxon
Colin Murray-Wallace
 

umbrella39

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LMAO, you're bolded part is complete and utter bullshit PJ. You should be given a special prize for even posting this tripe.
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: umbrella39
LMAO, you're bolded part is complete and utter bullshit PJ. You should be given a special prize for even posting this tripe.
And you know this because you are an expert in this field?
 

umbrella39

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: umbrella39
LMAO, you're bolded part is complete and utter bullshit PJ. You should be given a special prize for even posting this tripe.
And you know this because you are an expert in this field?

You don't have to stick your head up a bulls ass to know it smells like shit...
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
This thread already promises a high humor level. Please continue defending this guy.

At first with all these stupid global warming threads I wanted to explain why you people were wrong. Then after awhile I just got frustrated and angry at the brick headedness of some people on here. Now? I mostly find them hilarious.

So you're not only an expert on interrogation techniques and torture, you're also an expert on climatology? How do you find the time?
 

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Originally posted by: sirjonk
I hate giving the thread the attention, but god forbid someone give this guy credibility. He's big into "dowsing."

Wikid:
Dowsing, sometimes called divining or water witching, refers to the practice of detecting hidden or buried water, metals, gemstones, or other such objects without the use of scientific apparatus. Dowsers generally make use of a Y- or L-shaped twig or rod to assist with detection, however some dowsers use other equipment or no equipment at all. Dowsing is widely practiced despite a lack of scientific evidence for its efficacy.


He also believes in bigfoot and the chupacabra. Let us put the fate of the earth in his hands.

http://www.randi.org/hotline/1998/0012.html

Having grown up on a farm I find this part of the thread enlightning about you. I have seen people dowse and experienced what it feels like when there is water down there. People have been dowsing for a long time and there are people who can do this.

Your example is really poor.