Noted Sea Level Expert Accuses IPCC of Falsifying Data

[shira]

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Honestly, I don't think it's a big deal. It's crazy, but lots of people believe in bizarre things like religious beliefs, UFO abductions, chupacabra, Big Foot, conspiracies, bizarre medical treatments, etc. As long as he doesn't apply bizarre chupacabra theories into his scientific work, I think it's ok.

As long as his scientific record was clean as well, I'd be more inclined to agree. But it's not. See below where he lied about his position at a speaking engagement. But I find the bolded text more important than his misrepresentation.

http://secure.environmentaldef...868_morner_exposed.pdf
July 21, 2004
Academician Yuri Osipov
President of the Russian Academy of Sciences
14 Leninskii pr
Moscow 119991, Russia
Dear Dr. Osipov:
It has come to my attention that Dr. Nils-Axel Mörner gave presentations at the seminar on climate change organized by the Russian Academy of Sciences at the request of President Vladimir Putin earlier this month. Dr. Mörner attacked the science of climate change, while claiming that he President of the Commission on Sea Level Change of INQUA (International Union for Quaternary Research).

I am writing to inform you that Dr. Mörner has misrepresented his position with INQUA. Dr. Mörner was President of the Commission on Sea Level Change until July 2003, but the commission was terminated at that time during a reorganization of the commission structure of INQUA. Dr. Mörner currently has no formal position in INQUA, and I am distressed that he continues to represent himself in his former capacity. Further, INQUA, which is an umbrella organization for hundreds of researchers knowledgeable about past climate, does not subscribe to Mörner?s position on climate change. Nearly all of these researchers agree that humans are modifying Earth?s climate, a position diametrically opposed to Dr. Mörner?s point of view.Sincerely,
John J. Clague
President, INQUA
jjc:
cc. Sir David King
Pete Coxon
Colin Murray-Wallace

Ah, but you clearly don't understand:

If almost all of the scientists belonging to a scientific organization support human-induced climate change, then that means nothing.

But if a handful of scientists do not believe it, then that is definitive.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: eskimospy
This thread already promises a high humor level. Please continue defending this guy.

At first with all these stupid global warming threads I wanted to explain why you people were wrong. Then after awhile I just got frustrated and angry at the brick headedness of some people on here. Now? I mostly find them hilarious.

So you're not only an expert on interrogation techniques and torture, you're also an expert on climatology? How do you find the time?

You are a dumb fucker. I know more then you because I've spent a few minutes of my life and read something about the subjects that I write about. I know it's crazy but it's way better then showing up on here and crapping my pants like so many people (ie: you) do.


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[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: sirjonk
Truth, like most people I don't know squat about sea levels and don't have enough time or inclination to learn enough about them to formulate a scientific opinion, so I like to be discriminating when I have to pick where I get summaries of that info.

http://cernigsnewshog.blogspot...ical-of-facts-but.html
Listed as an "allied expert" for a Canadian group called the "Natural Resource Stewardship Project," (NRSP) a lobby organization that refuses to disclose it's funding sources. Two of the three Directors on the board of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project are registered energy industry lobbyists and senior executives of the High Park Advocacy Group, a Toronto based lobby firm that specializes in ?energy, environment and ethics.?

I'm not saying this guy is entirely full of crap, but I've read enough in a couple minutes of googling to not throw my eggs in his basket. And the guy in the other GW thread posted today is a claimed "climate researcher", but he's actually a contraversal journalist with more than his share non-mainstream ideas, though admittedly nothing as oddballish as dowsing. Dowsing for chrissake. A scientist, dowsing. Shrug.

I do know something about sea levels, which I stated in my previous post. I also know that the IPCC (whose report you're implicitly supporting) thought enough of this guy to make him an "expert reviewer" of their report. If your "discrimination" lead you to a blog, then maybe you should be a little more discriminating in where you get your information before you decide to demonize a well-respected scientist who obviously knows more than a little about sea levels, since he's been writing peer-reviewed articles about them for the past 40 years or so. Instead of looking at his qualifications or academic record, you simply demonize him because you've decided you don't like his expert opinion. Everyone has their quirks, and if this guy wasn't such a well-known scientist, you never would have found anything about his online because no one would care enough to write about it.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: eskimospy
This thread already promises a high humor level. Please continue defending this guy.

At first with all these stupid global warming threads I wanted to explain why you people were wrong. Then after awhile I just got frustrated and angry at the brick headedness of some people on here. Now? I mostly find them hilarious.

So you're not only an expert on interrogation techniques and torture, you're also an expert on climatology? How do you find the time?

You are a dumb fucker. I know more then you because I've spent a few minutes of my life and read something about the subjects that I write about. I know it's crazy but it's way better then showing up on here and crapping my pants like so many people (ie: you) do.

Crapping my pants? Does that even make any sense? Stop claiming to know every damn thing and maybe people like me will stop "crapping their pants"....Just because you've spent some time reading about something doesn't make everyone else's opinion invalid. Its still funny to watch you claim to be an expert, or know more than everyone else, keep it up. :thumbsup:

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: Comanche

Originally posted by: sirjonk
I hate giving the thread the attention, but god forbid someone give this guy credibility. He's big into "dowsing."

Wikid:
Dowsing, sometimes called divining or water witching, refers to the practice of detecting hidden or buried water, metals, gemstones, or other such objects without the use of scientific apparatus. Dowsers generally make use of a Y- or L-shaped twig or rod to assist with detection, however some dowsers use other equipment or no equipment at all. Dowsing is widely practiced despite a lack of scientific evidence for its efficacy.


He also believes in bigfoot and the chupacabra. Let us put the fate of the earth in his hands.

http://www.randi.org/hotline/1998/0012.html

Having grown up on a farm I find this part of the thread enlightning about you. I have seen people dowse and experienced what it feels like when there is water down there. People have been dowsing for a long time and there are people who can do this.

Your example is really poor.

Experience means nothing in this forum Comanche, sorry. People here have an incredibly limited view of the world.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: RedChief

Originally posted by: sirjonk
I hate giving the thread the attention, but god forbid someone give this guy credibility. He's big into "dowsing."

Wikid:
Dowsing, sometimes called divining or water witching, refers to the practice of detecting hidden or buried water, metals, gemstones, or other such objects without the use of scientific apparatus. Dowsers generally make use of a Y- or L-shaped twig or rod to assist with detection, however some dowsers use other equipment or no equipment at all. Dowsing is widely practiced despite a lack of scientific evidence for its efficacy.


He also believes in bigfoot and the chupacabra. Let us put the fate of the earth in his hands.

http://www.randi.org/hotline/1998/0012.html

In otherwords, attack the messenger and not the messege?

Give sirjonk a break. He had to have spent at least 5 mins frantically searching google for dirt on this guy to find some msgboard post from a decade ago to try and smear this guy.

lol

You guys are now defending someone who claims to be a scientist who thinks he can "detect" water and minerals underground using a tree branch. I'll let everyone else make up their minds as to whether that has any bearing on his scientific opinion on sea water levels.

I bet you also believe 9/11 was a huge conspiracy...lol

Genx87 nailed you sirjonk-- Give sirjonk a break. He had to have spent at least 5 mins frantically searching google for dirt on this guy to find some msgboard post from a decade ago to try and smear this guy.

lol

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: eskimospy
You are a dumb fucker. I know more then you because I've spent a few minutes of my life and read something about the subjects that I write about. I know it's crazy but it's way better then showing up on here and crapping my pants like so many people (ie: you) do.

Crapping my pants? Does that even make any sense? Stop claiming to know every damn thing and maybe people like me will stop "crapping their pants"....Just because you've spent some time reading about something doesn't make everyone else's opinion invalid. Its still funny to watch you claim to be an expert, or know more than everyone else, keep it up. :thumbsup:

They?re obviously smarter than the experts when they POLTICALLY disagree with those experts.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: RedChief

Originally posted by: sirjonk
I hate giving the thread the attention, but god forbid someone give this guy credibility. He's big into "dowsing."

Wikid:
Dowsing, sometimes called divining or water witching, refers to the practice of detecting hidden or buried water, metals, gemstones, or other such objects without the use of scientific apparatus. Dowsers generally make use of a Y- or L-shaped twig or rod to assist with detection, however some dowsers use other equipment or no equipment at all. Dowsing is widely practiced despite a lack of scientific evidence for its efficacy.


He also believes in bigfoot and the chupacabra. Let us put the fate of the earth in his hands.

http://www.randi.org/hotline/1998/0012.html

In otherwords, attack the messenger and not the messege?

Give sirjonk a break. He had to have spent at least 5 mins frantically searching google for dirt on this guy to find some msgboard post from a decade ago to try and smear this guy.

lol

You guys are now defending someone who claims to be a scientist who thinks he can "detect" water and minerals underground using a tree branch. I'll let everyone else make up their minds as to whether that has any bearing on his scientific opinion on sea water levels.

I bet you also believe 9/11 was a huge conspiracy...lol

Genx87 nailed you sirjonk-- Give sirjonk a break. He had to have spent at least 5 mins frantically searching google for dirt on this guy to find some msgboard post from a decade ago to try and smear this guy.

lol

Wait, if I believe dowsing is a load of crap, then I probably believe in the 9/11 conspiracy? I think you're confusing who the crazy ones are here.

This truly is the era of the death of reason.