Note 6 rumors, speculation, launch thread

[MarkizSchnitzel]

It serves an incredibly valuable purpose: it eliminates bezel and keeps the phone size down.

The edge IS THE BEZEL. And a huge one at that. So you get a strange thin and tall display. It looks nice on promo materials, practicality is down the drain.

 

[Zaap]

You're saying that you haven't seen that thing rendered before?
I can remember it with an apple logo, an LG one, a sharp one, a different Samsung one, a Phillips (?) one...

They don't get made because functionally they end up being a bit crap, they are physically hard to make and they end up being stupidly fragile.

There isn't some conspiracy to prevent you getting the phone you want, it's just the phone you want doesn't work very well.

Way to miss a point. Zoomed over your head like a 747.

WHY do you think people render THAT design, and not just an iPhone 4 from, what is it, 2009? re-worked a little bit?

Could it be...? Because that's what all those people WANT?!

Hmm....


Do I care that good design that people actually WANT is *sniffle* hard to achieve, vs. rebadged phoned-in (litterally) lazy crap (coff coff SE coff coff)?

No.

 

[WelshBloke]

Way to miss a point. Zoomed over your head like a 747.

WHY do you think people render THAT design, and not just an iPhone 4 from, what is it, 2009? re-worked a little bit?.

Because fantasy is easier and different to reality?

 

[Crono]

You're saying that you haven't seen that thing rendered before?
I can remember it with an apple logo, an LG one, a sharp one, a different Samsung one, a Phillips (?) one...

They don't get made because functionally they end up being a bit crap, they are physically hard to make and they end up being stupidly fragile.

There isn't some conspiracy to prevent you getting the phone you want, it's just the phone you want doesn't work very well.

Reminds me of all the sci-fi movies and television shows that feature transparent glass displays or holographic displays that you have to gesture all over the place to use. Yes, they look futuristic, but I doubt they'd be comfortable to use or even look at (though if you could control the opacity, it could be useful) .

 

[Zaap]

Because fantasy is easier and different to reality?

Does your monitor still look like this? Does your TV?

If so, hate to break it to you but monitors and TVs have been shedding needless bezel for years and now are either razor thin or non existant.

Smartphones have been shedding bezel for years now and will also continue to.

There are bezeless phones are out there. Right now. In reality. Five seconds of Googling could have shown you that.

"B-but design that's not same-ol or retro is tooooooooo haaaaard...!"

Heh.

 

[WelshBloke]

Does your monitor still look like this? Does your TV?

If so, hate to break it to you but monitors and TVs have been shedding needless bezel for years and now are either razor thin or non existant.

Smartphones have been shedding bezel for years now and will also continue to.

There are bezeless phones are out there. Right now. In reality. Five seconds of Googling could have shown you that.

"B-but design that's not same-ol or retro is tooooooooo haaaaard...!"

Heh.

Calm down.

You're the one complaining about them not making something, I'm just explaining to you why they aren't making it.

What my monitor looks like is not going to make someone make the phone that you want.

Ranting on the Internet isn't going to make it happen either.

 

[Zaap]

Please. Claiming someone is upset for pointing out the realities of progress to you is lame.

You were one of those guys insisting against reality just few years ago that a huge 70" panel would just "fall right out!" if you tried to support it with anything less than an inch of bezel.

Well... welcome to 2016.


2018, 2019 and beyond and the continued progression of smartphone designs beyond just 'a tweak on same'ol' WILL happen, even with you holding your breath insisting it won't.

 

[linkgoron]

Please. Claiming someone is upset for pointing out the realities of progress to you is lame.

You were one of those guys insisting against reality just few years ago that a huge 70" panel would just "fall right out!" if you tried to support it with anything less than an inch of bezel.

Well... welcome to 2016.


2018, 2019 and beyond and the continued progression of smartphone designs beyond just 'a tweak on same'ol' WILL happen, even with you holding your breath insisting it won't.

As people already explained - the problem isn't just with the technology, or the design, but with the usability. You are (very passionately) attacking a strawman.

Even if such a phone is feasible technologically, it has implications on usability.

It might make the phone much more fragile, it might also hinder usability as you actually hold the phone in your hand(s) and you don't want the screen to register touches the places you're holding the phone (which happens to me from time to time on my z3c).

These problems don't really exist with a monitor, as they are usually stationary and not held in your hand, from my experience.

 

[WelshBloke]

Please. Claiming someone is upset for pointing out the realities of progress to you is lame.

You were one of those guys insisting against reality just few years ago that a huge 70" panel would just "fall right out!" if you tried to support it with anything less than an inch of bezel.

Well you just nip out and buy that phone in the render then. Obviously they must be making loads of them if it's that easy.

 

[Zaap]

Well you just nip out and buy that phone in the render then. Obviously they must be making loads of them if it's that easy.

I couldn't buy a similar "render" of a 70" flatscreen with no bezel in 2010.

According to your 'logic', that means the technology was going to stay stuck in 2010.

Opps. But somehow it didn't. Fancy that!

Similar "forward-thinking" arguments:

"now rip right out and buy that phone with a screen larger than the perfect 3.5"..."


"Now nip out and buy that phone with a 720p screen..."

"Now nip right out and buy that 1080p screen phone!"

"Now nip right out and get that edge screen phone!"

"A big curved display.... without honkin bezels??! My god are you mad??!"

 

[WelshBloke]

I couldn't buy a similar "render" of a 70" flatscreen with no bezel in 2010.

According to your 'logic', that means the technology was going to stay stuck in 2010.

Opps. But somehow it didn't. Fancy that!

Similar "forward-thinking" arguments:

"now rip right out and buy that phone with a screen larger than the perfect 3.5"..."


"Now nip out and buy that phone with a 720p screen..."

"Now nip right out and buy that 1080p screen phone!"

"Now nip right out and get that edge screen phone!"

"A big curved display.... without honkin bezels??! My god are you mad??!"

So you're agreeing that they can't make one then?

 

[kaerflog]

The edge IS THE BEZEL. And a huge one at that. So you get a strange thin and tall display. It looks nice on promo materials, practicality is down the drain.

I couldn't agree more. The EDGE is the bezels.
What we have is a 5.5" phone height wise but the width of a 5.3"phone.
The .1" on each side of the phone is practically useless.
*Speaking from an edge owner*

 

[kaerflog]

You guys are freakin mad if you think someone can't produce a phone similar to the picture I posted.
Welcomed to 2014 where Sharp produced a phone with virtually no bezels.
They had to have bezel on the bottom so it can house the speakers, camera, etc... They can easily have small bezels up top and bottom to house the necessary components.
I don't hear the Japanese complaining on how to hold the phone with no bezels.

 

[Crono]

Gorgeous phone on paper. Nearly got one until I read the reviews at the time, which were okay but not great. The camera supposedly wasn't very good, but I don't know if that's a result of the bezel-less design, a cost cutting measure, or both. At least the price came down on the Crystal significantly, though, over time. It wasn't expensive at launch ($150 with a contract) but hard to justify versus the competition unless you really liked the look.

I'm sure some manufacturer will get the nearly bezel-less design without compromising specs, durability, and ergonomics, but it hasn't happened yet. The Crystal was more a showcase for Sharp's design chops than their ability to manufacture an excellent smartphone, but part of the problem was that it didn't get much marketing here as a mid-range phone. It didn't help that it was a Sprint-only phone here, either.

 

[WelshBloke]

You guys are freakin mad if you think someone can't produce a phone similar to the picture I posted.
Welcomed to 2014 where Sharp produced a phone with virtually no bezels.
They had to have bezel on the bottom so it can house the speakers, camera, etc... They can easily have small bezels up top and bottom to house the necessary components.
I don't hear the Japanese complaining on how to hold the phone with no bezels.

The Aquos?

That has a bezel, in fact the edge bezel is similar to the S7s. Its also a horrible phone.

The phone in your render has no side bezel at all so how are they going to attach the screen to the phone?

People didnt complain too much. But thats because nobody bought one.

 

[holden j caufield]

Note 4 with the proper ROM is nearly a perfect machine. It works with the VR headset (need to mod the VR headset a little), it has microsd, removable battery, iR blaster (which I use nearly everyday since I lose my remote or the gyms/golf club I go to always has something stupid on and if no one is watching I can change the channel. Even got double tap to wake feature working.

No bezels sounds great but won't people be cracking their phones left and right.

 

[Zaap]

The Aquos?

That has a bezel, in fact the edge bezel is similar to the S7s. Its also a horrible phone.

Way to shift those goalposts.

I said: Just a no nonsense design with minimum possible bezel.

The Aquos isn't new, it being a bad phone or not has nothing to do with the minimum bezel.

A Galaxy Note of similar design -or even just the current S7 edge design would be awesome.

I doubt the N6 will be a radical departure, but that's already been discussed.

 

[WelshBloke]

Way to shift those goalposts.

I said: Just a no nonsense design with minimum possible bezel.

The Aquos isn't new, it being a bad phone or not has nothing to do with the minimum bezel. .

Some of the complaints about the Aquos were to do with bad call quality and the dodgy placement of the front camera.

Both of which are very much to do with the minimal bezels.

 

[dawheat]

I think you guys have to agree to disagree - after dozens of posts, can we consider the horse beaten and dead?

A Galaxy Note of similar design -or even just the current S7 edge design would be awesome.

I doubt the N6 will be a radical departure, but that's already been discussed.

Why should the Note 6 follow the S7 Edge design? You'd end up with 2 devices extremely close to each other. The S7 Edge fulfills the minimal edge/style segment. The Note 6 should focus on being a powerhouse - in productivity, battery, etc. To me that means a flat screen and of course I'll take the smallest bezels I can take - but I don't expect anything significantly smaller than the Note 5 which was already nearly the smallest available.

 

[Zaap]

Why should the Note 6 follow the S7 Edge design? You'd end up with 2 devices extremely close to each other. The S7 Edge fulfills the minimal edge/style segment. The Note 6 should focus on being a powerhouse - in productivity, battery, etc. To me that means a flat screen and of course I'll take the smallest bezels I can take - but I don't expect anything significantly smaller than the Note 5 which was already nearly the smallest available.

I agree with you, said so in my first post.

It was merely my hope they'd do an updated edge Note that follows their newer edge design.

It was orginally the Note series where Samsung first experiemented with an edge/non-edge model.

I realize now they've switched that to the S series, but I think it's kind of a shame we can't expect an improved edge Note.

 

[kaerflog]

The Aquos?

That has a bezel, in fact the edge bezel is similar to the S7s. Its also a horrible phone.

The phone in your render has no side bezel at all so how are they going to attach the screen to the phone?

People didnt complain too much. But thats because nobody bought one.

Way to steer to conversation to a totally different direction.
We're talking about the ability to make phone with virtually no bezels and you said it couldn't be done. Who cares if the phone I posted is shitty or not. We're talking about bezels here.
The first pic I posted is of course computer generated...can a phone be made that can look very similar to that picture. Of course.
This phone right here has virtually no side bezels. If they just trim the top and bottom bezels, it could look a lot like the first picture i posted.

 

[dawheat]

Plenty of articles circulating the same rumor that the Note 6 will have a USB-C port unlike the S7. This makes folks assume that there will be a new Gear VR introduced this fall to support it.

 

[GTRagnarok]

Plenty of articles circulating the same rumor that the Note 6 will have a USB-C port unlike the S7. This makes folks assume that there will be a new Gear VR introduced this fall to support it.

It's about time. I always thought Samsung would be one of the first to go USB type C with the Note 5. But maybe they were right to hold off with all the early poorly spec'd cables out there. Since that's less of a problem now, Samsung would be quite behind the times to stick with micro USB again.

 

[evident]

(and I get the feeling Samsung's QA is far better for the Notes than the S line).

completely opposite experience for me. Note 4's have a ton of emmc issues where the built in memory slows down and eventually fails after a period of time. my note 4 was in mint condition cosmetically, never abused, and one day decided to just slow down and fail to boot. no factory reset or flashing of different roms could solve the issue. sold it for parts on ebay.

My galaxy 2, 4, and now 5 have no issues. well the galaxy 5 has some screen banding issues but nothing major.

 

[lopri]

Bring back the white model. Especially if glass construction is going to stay. I do not understand why they dumped such an iconic color for the Galaxy phones. That white masks fingerprints the best should have been an icing on the cake.