Note 4 (now $200 rebate with any $10+ trade-in!)

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ControlD

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Yea I saw that one. Still need some more real-world stuff. My S4 looked good in reviews, but in practice trying to take pictures of a moving 17 month old indoors, it blows. Really the camera is the only thing that has me trying to decide between a Note 4 and an iPhone 6+. Two years ago I wouldn't have cared about the camera, but having a kid changed my needs on a smartphone significantly. I do have DSLR for quality shots, but you know "the camera you have on you" and all that.

You've pretty much just nailed every parent's opinion of every camera ever made, cell or not. I wouldn't hold my breath hoping any cell phone camera is going to be able to handle lower light + motion in any acceptable manner.
 

trmiv

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You've pretty much just nailed every parent's opinion of every camera ever made, cell or not. I wouldn't hold my breath hoping any cell phone camera is going to be able to handle lower light + motion in any acceptable manner.

I test drove an iPhone 5S for a week on the t-mobile test drive thing, and it was up to the task with much more acceptable results than the S4 using them side-by-side. I'm not looking for perfect, I get that's a challenging situation for a smartphone, but I want it to be a lot better than the S4. That's the only thing that has me leaning iPhone. I'd just wait and test it myself, but with this $200 rebate thing only going until Oct 16th, it really limits my options.
 

Muadib

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Is this deal worthwhile for me if I would be trading in a LG G2?
Did you check to see what it's worth at either your carrier or the best buy website? After that go to ebay or swappa and see what it's going for there.
 

NutBucket

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The G3 is large but not noticeably bigger than a GS3. LG nailed that design IMHO. Wife is happy with her G3 and I'm definitely eyeing the Note 4.
 

dawheat

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The G3 is large but not noticeably bigger than a GS3. LG nailed that design IMHO. Wife is happy with her G3 and I'm definitely eyeing the Note 4.
The G3 was going to be my fallback phone if the Note 4 disappointed. While its compactness is still amazing, the screen and battery life seem much superior on the Note 4. My only struggle is now to find a t-mobile version I can unlock without having their service.

For those who've bought tmo phones secondhand, any tips to avoid the phone being reported stolen later?
 

Red Storm

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For those who've bought tmo phones secondhand, any tips to avoid the phone being reported stolen later?

Make sure the phone is not on a payment plan. I always do my deals in carrier stores. As the seller this gives the buyer more confidence, and as the buyer I can check with T-Mobile right then there about things like the phone being on a payment plan.
 

isekii

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Make sure the phone is not on a payment plan. I always do my deals in carrier stores. As the seller this gives the buyer more confidence, and as the buyer I can check with T-Mobile right then there about things like the phone being on a payment plan.

Also make sure it's not tied to any sort of insurance. Cuz they can still report it lost//stolen and get a replacement phone leaving you screwed
 

Raduque

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Is the T-Mobile one getting an unlocked bootloader OR alternatively, is the Int'l Note 4 going to support all LTE bands?
 

dawheat

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Samsung experience centers within Best Buy locations just got display Note 4s today to demo. The 86th and Lex location in Manhattan had 3 Note 4s as well as an Alpha to play around with.

I'll start with the Alpha since I was able to play around with one in London earlier this week:
- It is getting no attention apparently - one phone was setup in the middle of the center, surrounded by S5s and without even the info card setup. Unless I was looking for it and knew what to look for, there's no way I would have noticed it.
- The metal frame, thinness, and smaller size make for a great in-hand feel. Seriously - it feels better than my wife's iPhone 6. It's not slippery, I can one-hand it most of the time, and the metal frame is surprisingly rigid. There's no flex to the phone anymore - something that's been part of Samsung phones for years now.
- The display is not good enough for the price. Maybe a 720p RGB-stripe would be sufficent, but small text was a touch fuzzy and non-mobile sites text weren't readable when zoomed out (in fairness I'd never try to read text that small anyway). But it's in stark comparison to the Note 4.
- Everything felt decently fast, but the default homescreens looked a bit "older" than the Note 4 with its freshened up look.
- Before the Z3 Compact, I might have recommended it as a "smaller" premium Android phone. But to truly be an iPhone 6 competitor, they need to fit in a 1080p pentile screen and a larger battery (it really is extremely thin and another mm wouldn't hurt the in hand feel at all). If Samsung created 3 flagships phones with their new design with a 1080p Alpha at 4.7", the S6 at 5.1/5.2" and the Note 4 at 5.7", they'd have a very strong lineup.

Note 4 impressions
- The metal frame makes even a bigger difference in the phone the size of the Note 4 vs the Alpha. It's extremely rigid and doesn't flex at all under normal pressure. IMO it feels and looks great. The back is actually good for me as it's not slippery, is easily removable, and can be replaced.
- The buttons all feel very precise and 'clicky' which is great. The home button also has far less lateral movement than the Note 3 (it had some annoying slack), but still isn't perfect. The Alpha home button had no lateral movement so if it's a 10 and the Note 3 was a 3, the Note 4 felt like an 8.5.
- The screen is gorgeous - using the OPO for the last month or so, I've missed the darker blacks. It's quite bright and very sharp. Bringing up the non-mobi phonearena.com website, even zoomed out, tiny text was sharp and even up close couldn't see any blurring. Fantastic display.
- In the few minutes I used it, everything felt as fast as expected. No stuttering, though I forgot to check what gestures/bloatware were turned on/off. My magazine is still there, though it loads pretty quickly now. The home screen layouts and widgets seem a bit more modern and cleaner. Some of the widgets might actually end up staying on my phone (pedometer for example). Still, I'm 90% sure I'll end up using Nova Prime.
- The only negative is the fact that Samsung (and all other Android OEMs) don't pick the right lcd_density for their larger phones. Basically you still see the same amount of content on screen as any other 1080p 5" flagship. Everything is just bigger, including navigation bars and menus. Whether it be the Note 3 or OPO, I've had to root them and adjust lcd_density from 480 to 380 so that I actually get more content on screen and things like address bars are not stupidly large. Only Apple AFAIK looks at the physical size, resolution and whatever lcd_density applies to. So with the iPhone 6 and 6 plus, you get a balance between things being bigger + displaying more content.

I'm going to pick one up anyway, but it won't become my primary phone until a root method is found.
 
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Zaap

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Samsung experience centers within Best Buy locations just got display Note 4s today to demo. The 86th and Lex location in Manhattan had 3 Note 4s as well as an Alpha to play around with.
Excellent mini-review! Thanks for that.

I'm hoping I can check out a Note 4 in LA this weekend. Can't wait to see one.
 

OS

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The local tmo store had a Note 4 on display. The chamfered metal bezel and faux leather back look and feel very high end. Mesmerizing display to look at.
 

trmiv

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So this is odd. The other day I transferred the upgrade (Verizon) from my wife's line to my mother-in-law's line and used that to pre-order a Note 4 for myself (MIL is getting my S4). Then my wife decides she wants a Note 4. We had no other upgrades, so we were ready to pay full price. Went online, and tried to buy on my wife's line, and for some reason it let me order it at the discounted price. We only only had one upgrade though. I'm wondering if it was some bug in their ordering system because I transferred the upgrade the other day. But I now have two receipts, one for each line at the discounted price on both. Interested to see what happens. I'm fully ready for one to be the full price, but we'll see
 

WelshBloke

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Ahhhhhhh! Can't decide if the Note 4 is too big or not!
I need (well, want I suppose) a new phone and am now stuck.
Someone pick me one.

I think I need a note 4 mini. :)
Basically a note 4 the size of an S5.
 

ControlD

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Ahhhhhhh! Can't decide if the Note 4 is too big or not!
I need (well, want I suppose) a new phone and am now stuck.
Someone pick me one.

I think I need a note 4 mini. :)
Basically a note 4 the size of an S5.

Get the Note 4. I was worried about the size when I went from my iPhone 4S to a Note 2. After about a day I was wondering how I ever used such a small phone.
 

HeXen

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WTF is up with all the positive consumer reviews? It's not even out yet but I have seen several consumer reviews talking about how they love it, how good stuff looks..etc like they have owned it for months. Is it for sale somewhere in other countries or are all these people just a bit over excited?
 

dawheat

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WTF is up with all the positive consumer reviews? It's not even out yet but I have seen several consumer reviews talking about how they love it, how good stuff looks..etc like they have owned it for months. Is it for sale somewhere in other countries or are all these people just a bit over excited?

It's already released in Korea and it's also available to play with at Best Buy stores with Samsung centers.

Somehow a couple Russian reviewers also seem to get their hands on Samsung phones prior to official release.