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*** Not Onion** Trump does a very very good thing

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blackangst1 said:
Do you know about VA care? It's like that only much worse.

Would you feel great subjecting your family to
VA type care?

So no. It's not working.
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The VA health system consistently tests as well and in some cases better than non-VA health care systems in the United States. While there is always bad apple examples and situations the VA does slightly worse, the VA has demonstrated better outcomes in overall mortality rates, better mental health, lower rates of post-surgical morbidity, colon cancer, small cell lung cancer, better rates on 11 out of 12 markers of cardiovascular, diabetes, and cancer screening, earlier diagnoses of colon and rectal cancers, more likely to receive appropriate medications after a heart attack, and less likely to receive the wrong medication. Several studies have shown that the VA system has greater satisfaction for users than non-VA systems (1, 2, 3) While costs are always difficult to directly compare outside of the VA system, estimates have placed the VA system healthcare costs less than non-VA healthcare.

Based on your posts, it is clear you don't really know anything about VA healthcare.
 
soulcougher73 said:
I find the thread title more interesting than the substance inside. It's a sad world when the president has to have trigger warnings such as "***Not Onion*** Trump does a very very good thing". It should be the other way around. "***Not Onion*** Trump does a very very bad thing".
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I figure blackangst1 simply short-circuited a bit.
 
blackangst1 said:
Do you know about VA care? It's like that only much worse.

Would you feel great subjecting your family to
VA type care?

So no. It's not working.
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Based on our local VA, the comments and experiences of friends and associates who have used it over the years...absolutely.

Of the multiple hospitals in our area, with both friends and families who have both worked and had work done there, it would appear that the VA is as good as any hospital.
Our worst hospitals happen to be private.
 
It's obvious that Trump is catering to his senior base otherwise he would have done this for everyone.

"I hope the seniors are going to remember it," Trump said of the new policy, "because Biden is the one that put us into the jam because they didn't know what they were doing, they were incompetent."
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www.cnn.com

Trump appeals to seniors with insulin price cap plan

President Donald Trump announced a plan Tuesday he says will drastically reduce the price of insulin for people on Medicare -- relief he tied directly to his own political prospects, saying he hoped "the seniors are going to remember it."
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Lanyap said:
It's obvious that Trump is catering to his senior base otherwise he would have done this for everyone.


www.cnn.com

Trump appeals to seniors with insulin price cap plan

President Donald Trump announced a plan Tuesday he says will drastically reduce the price of insulin for people on Medicare -- relief he tied directly to his own political prospects, saying he hoped "the seniors are going to remember it."
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com
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Trumpcare - only for political gain. I know, I know, it's truly shocking, lol
 
He's "capping" our insulin prices at 10x what the rest of the world pays. But not really, since this is an executive order, not a law, and these private companies are not part of the executive branch. They'll still fleece Medicare and private payers for all they got.
 
abj13 said:
The VA health system consistently tests as well and in some cases better than non-VA health care systems in the United States. While there is always bad apple examples and situations the VA does slightly worse, the VA has demonstrated better outcomes in overall mortality rates, better mental health, lower rates of post-surgical morbidity, colon cancer, small cell lung cancer, better rates on 11 out of 12 markers of cardiovascular, diabetes, and cancer screening, earlier diagnoses of colon and rectal cancers, more likely to receive appropriate medications after a heart attack, and less likely to receive the wrong medication. Several studies have shown that the VA system has greater satisfaction for users than non-VA systems (1, 2, 3) While costs are always difficult to directly compare outside of the VA system, estimates have placed the VA system healthcare costs less than non-VA healthcare.

Based on your posts, it is clear you don't really know anything about VA healthcare.
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I suspect he will never answer this or reconsider his position. Then when the VA comes up again months or a year from now or whatever will restate the same ‘the VA sucks’ position.
 
blackangst1 said:
Do you know about VA care? It's like that only much worse.

Would you feel great subjecting your family to
VA type care?

So no. It's not working.
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Only fskimposy has produced data showing that your claims regarding VA care are inaccurate at worst, wrong at best. All you have done is to post: "What about VA care? isn't it bad?" (oh, also abj13 has participated now, I see--you know, an actual healthcare professional that knows this stuff on the ground. What's your professional perspective on any of this?)

Perhaps you shoudl rethink your strategy here. We see that you aren't arguing froma platform of evidence, but one of feels and injected talking points that you've never even considered.

You dismiss medicare in your anti-healthcare screed for...reasons that you don't seem to want to explain.

You are losing this deabte my friend. But maybe you should start participating before we can declare this a total loss on your part?
 
soundforbjt said:
He probably saw his support among 65+ dropping (it is dropping) and (some one) came up with this to try to shore up his senior base.
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Probably this.

Who would have thought conservatives and Trump saying to seniors that "they were on their last legs anyway," "we shouldn't sacrifice the economy, cure is worse than disease" and all the incompetence and indifference would have a consequence? Nobody knew that... Lol

But hey, slightly cheaper insulin for grandma if she manages to survive. Yea!

One other theory... Perhaps Dr Best Brain wants cheap insulin for his HCQ and Z-pack Magical Covy Cure-all cocktail?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1265449852370108416
 
zinfamous said:
Only fskimposy has produced data showing that your claims regarding VA care are inaccurate at worst, wrong at best. All you have done is to post: "What about VA care? isn't it bad?" (oh, also abj13 has participated now, I see--you know, an actual healthcare professional that knows this stuff on the ground. What's your professional perspective on any of this?)

Perhaps you shoudl rethink your strategy here. We see that you aren't arguing froma platform of evidence, but one of feels and injected talking points that you've never even considered.

You dismiss medicare in your anti-healthcare screed for...reasons that you don't seem to want to explain.

You are losing this deabte my friend. But maybe you should start participating before we can declare this a total loss on your part?
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He derailed his own thread.
 
The catch: After continuous pressure from Trump to reopen the economy during the pandemic there won't be many diabetic seniors left to take advantage of lower insulin prices.
 
I bet the private polls are showing Trump support is dropping faster and further among seniors than any other age group. His nonstop and material outright lying on COVID is really striking a note among those of us most at risk. Among the Trump supporting seniors I know every single one of them openly admits that they don't listen to a thing he says about COVID any more.

Good move-but it points out deficiencies with our so-called private medical system. Just like epi-pen matter a year or two back, there is absolutely no reason other than gouging why such a basic medical product should be so expensive. Our system protects and supports the drug companies at the expense of society in general . If we actually want a private system, some of these artificial protections should be eliminated. Which is never going to happen with the amount of dollars the companies spend in Washington buying politicians.
 
soundforbjt said:
He probably saw his support among 65+ dropping (it is dropping) and (some one) came up with this to try to shore up his senior base.
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Well, yeh, of course. Senior diabetics who survive his utterly inept pandemic response will be ever so grateful for cheaper insulin next year. Or something.
 
zinfamous said:
Only fskimposy has produced data showing that your claims regarding VA care are inaccurate at worst, wrong at best. All you have done is to post: "What about VA care? isn't it bad?" (oh, also abj13 has participated now, I see--you know, an actual healthcare professional that knows this stuff on the ground. What's your professional perspective on any of this?)

Perhaps you shoudl rethink your strategy here. We see that you aren't arguing froma platform of evidence, but one of feels and injected talking points that you've never even considered.

You dismiss medicare in your anti-healthcare screed for...reasons that you don't seem to want to explain.

You are losing this deabte my friend. But maybe you should start participating before we can declare this a total loss on your part?
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Why bother? Anything I post is declared a total loss. For reasons.
 
soulcougher73 said:
I find the thread title more interesting than the substance inside. It's a sad world when the president has to have trigger warnings such as "***Not Onion*** Trump does a very very good thing". It should be the other way around. "***Not Onion*** Trump does a very very bad thing".
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It also highlights that even ardent defender/supporter of Turmp is stuck championing such a relatively minor thing (that likely won't even happen as others have pointed out why) because its the only thing he can.

The saddest part is the OP thought he was being clever with the title and probably thought that it wouldn't blow up in his face like all his other threads and posts do because he's so willing to suspend his disbelief of reality that he'll basically spout easily refuted claims and be stuck having to defend them when he posts them like they'll reinforce whatever monumentally stupid thing he originally said.

When it comes to posts about healthcare he's basically Sideshow Bob with the rakes.
 
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