Not drinking 3 or 4 days a week for liver health

[OverVolt]

Dead by 60 :awe:

 

[PenguinPower]

Dead by 60 :awe:

Or 110 :thumbsup:

 

[blankslate]

I consider liver health to be like weight training....


building my liver's alcohol resistance right now in fact....



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[OverVolt]

Or 110 :thumbsup:

I'm actually rather dubious of stories like that. Sure there was a guy who turned 100 and celebrated with a cigar and whiskey for one day but in reality cigars and whiskey don't get you to 100. She could have picked up that habit in her 90's. She'd have been doing it for 10 years so as far as anyone knows "She drank 3 shots of whiskey her whole life" but who the hell knows what she was doing in 1925.

You think she drank 3 shots of whiskey a day during the prohibition? 😛

 

[WelshBloke]

Yea your liver is either bogged down or happily maintaining homeostasis. Oh wait thats actually how it is.

You don't feel it when your liver is sick. There is no stomach pain, no weakness, etc. Maybe some belly fat, but that can just be attributed to something else like stress or diet without realizing its your liver. Chronic liver inflammation = liver cancer. Thats just how it is. Why bother drinking. There's enough shit out there as it is that is bad for your liver.







Sorry folks welcome to the real world. There is a reason a doctor will never condone drinking. There is also a reason for the warning label on the side. But you looked really cool with your underwear on your head while singing taylor swift, i'll give you that.

In reality combined with aging, this is a life long thing. You might need 30 beers a week to damage your liver in your 20's but if you choose to do that, by your 50's its probably far less. All factors matter from diet, to age, to lifestyle, etc. My opinion is that its not possible to be too healthy. I focus better, have more energy, etc. when I am physically healthy. Drinking alcohol is kinda dumb. Not that I won't drink, its just that drinking at home is literally one of the dumbest things ever as is using it as any sort of emotional coping aid. Toughen the fuck up.

Wut?

Your liver can happily cope with a couple of drinks a night. Or I've missed something and everyone in Southern Europe dies before the age of 60.

It's not as if you're going to suddenly become immortal if you cut out that one glass of wine a night.

 

[K1052]

Dead by 60 :awe:

:hmm: I'll take it

 

[OverVolt]

Wut?

Your liver can happily cope with a couple of drinks a night. Or I've missed something and everyone in Southern Europe dies before the age of 60.

It's not as if you're going to suddenly become immortal if you cut out that one glass of wine a night.

Hmm? Its like acetaminophen. I never take it. It depletes your stores of glutathione, your bodies primary & naturally made antioxidant. I would imagine you could link it in a long term epidemiological study to a range of cancers in people who say, take around the clock acetaminophen for arthritis.

You aren't eating Southern European meat and drinking Southern European water. You aren't breathing Southern European air and you aren't drinking antioxidant rich South European wine. In terms of the actual alcohol content, alcohol is known to cause cell damage that accumulates over time, sorry. If they were to theoretically eat the grapes instead of drinking wine, their life expectancy would be even higher.

 

[K1052]

Wut?

Your liver can happily cope with a couple of drinks a night. Or I've missed something and everyone in Southern Europe dies before the age of 60.

It's not as if you're going to suddenly become immortal if you cut out that one glass of wine a night.

I heard the French only live to 40. :'(

 

[gorcorps]

I only drink one day a week or so. I very rarely drink at home... just doesn't appeal to me unless I'm going out for some reason.

 

[PenguinPower]

I'm actually rather dubious of stories like that. Sure there was a guy who turned 100 and celebrated with a cigar and whiskey for one day but in reality cigars and whiskey don't get you to 100. She could have picked up that habit in her 90's. She'd have been doing it for 10 years so as far as anyone knows "She drank 3 shots of whiskey her whole life" but who the hell knows what she was doing in 1925.

You think she drank 3 shots of whiskey a day during the prohibition? 😛

Don't see why she would lie...said she'd been doing it for 70 years, so that would place her starting around age 35, so 1940ish.

I'm not trying to get involved in the debate. I was just being contrary to your statement because I could. Hell, my great-grandma smoked 2-packs a day and drank three fingers of scotch. She lived to be 99, but I sure as well wouldn't advocate doing what she did for longevity.

 

[William Gaatjes]

Yeah, true alcoholism is a terrible, pathological disease. My wife has had family members smuggle in "gatorade" that was actually colored vodka to patients. She's had patients disconnect their IV's, leave the hospital, walk across the street and buy beer at the gas station. Other alcoholics are drinking before work, drinking at lunch, drinking after work. Hiding their consumption from their family. Ect. It's a family and life destroying affliction.

There are progressive stages that get to that point. Dependency (I need to have that drink!) is certainly one of them. But it really comes down to a lot of genetic and psychological factors. Certain personality types are far more prone/vulnerable to addictive behaviors than others. That could be food, pot, alcohol, whatever. Other people are not that way. It's not a one size fits all kind of thing.

It's an incredibly complex topic that can't be painted black or white.

That is true. When you are a creature of habit and you are in a constant state of stress for whatever reason, it is very easy to get an unhealthy habit. And it happens unnoticed. Many people are not aware of it that they need it to function. Or are aware of it and have accepted it as part of their live while using their habit to cover up the destruction the habit causes in their every day life.
The unconscious decisions that cause this behavior are so easy to miss. I think a lot of addiction has to do with the unconscious mind and the subject of neuroscience of free will is a good basis to understand why it happens.
It is all about unconscious associations that overwhelm the conscious mind. When the conscious thoughts are overwhelmed with a desire, it is not that easy to reason. Especially when it seems to come from within you (the unconscious mind).

 

[vi edit]

Sorry folks welcome to the real world. There is a reason a doctor will never condone drinking. There is also a reason for the warning label on the side. But you looked really cool with your underwear on your head while singing taylor swift, i'll give you that.

In reality combined with aging, this is a life long thing. You might need 30 beers a week to damage your liver in your 20's but if you choose to do that, by your 50's its probably far less. All factors matter from diet, to age, to lifestyle, etc. My opinion is that its not possible to be too healthy. I focus better, have more energy, etc. when I am physically healthy. Drinking alcohol is kinda dumb. Not that I won't drink, its just that drinking at home is literally one of the dumbest things ever as is using it as any sort of emotional coping aid. Toughen the fuck up.

Bodies are very complicated things. Simply having a healthy social life and just enjoying things can be far more impacting in overall health and lifespan than small dietary things. You live your way, I'll live mine my way. So long as we are both happy with our choices, more power to each of us.

 

[disappoint]

So where do you draw the line? What if 6 nights a week I really do only have one drink and then maybe on a Saturday night I have 2? What if I only have a drink 5 nights a week?

Because that's pretty much how it is for me. I don't watch TV or play video games most nights after I get kids tucked into bed. I'll sit down and have a glass of wine or mix a drink and talk with my wife about her day or what we need to for schedules over the next few. It's one drink and then we are off to bed.

Sorry to shatter your perceptions. People have their routines and things they enjoy. Just because it's a drink at night for me doesn't mean I need a label applied. Surely you have something you more often daily than you don't do? If watching the news before you go to bed is "your thing" are you a news addict?

Clearly there are people that do have addiction problems and I don't discount the serious nature of the topic. But somebody that has a beer with dinner or a glass of wine after kids are in bed is not one of them.

You draw the line at how much control you have over your own life.

If you don't want to watch the news, but you feel compelled to by some seemingly outside force, and you can't stop even though you want to, then you are a news addict. Don't laugh just yet, as advertisers are well aware how to trigger a news addict's addiction when they make clickbait titles and images.

Similarly, if you want to have a drink every night but you can stop anytime, then you are not an addict. But if you want to stop drinking, and you can't, then you are addicted and you need help to achieve your goal of not drinking.

edit: I just want to add that this isn't about what other people want for you. It's about what you want for yourself. As long as you know the risks, and you're willing to take them, and you are in control of your own choices then I think you're fine.

 

[Miramonti]

I'd guess that hasn't been updated since the 60's, and has the deceptive implication that if you can live a functioning productive life, you're not an alcoholic.

 

[Miramonti]

So where do you draw the line?

When it goes from habit to dependency imo.

 

[Denly]

I'd consider that mild alcoholism. You shouldn't need alcohol, at all.

You don't need sugar and salt at all, additional of what already in the food.

 

[vi edit]

edit: I just want to add that this isn't about what other people want for you. It's about what you want for yourself. As long as you know the risks, and you're willing to take them, and you are in control of your own choices then I think you're fine.

And that's really the point I was trying to make. In my early 20's I was certainly starting down a bad path and had some very bad lifestyle habits. I was on the wrong end of overweight. My blood pressure was shit. I ate terrible. I drank far too much. I was just not a healthy person in almost any part of my life.

15 years later and I'm in the best shape of my life at the age of 38. I'm competitive at the half marathon and 5k race distances (several placing finishes over the last year). I'm more happy with my body than I've ever been. And I eat and drink things to enjoy them. I love getting the fruit and cheese platters at a restaurant and mixing them with wine to see how they affect the flavor of each other. Love the craft and taste that comes from a perfectly made Old Fashioned. Love the flavor complexity and aroma of a well made stout or belgian ale when it warms up after sitting in a glass for a bit.

I drink alcohol now because I enjoy the qualities that go into it and the profiles that it provides. Instead of having ice cream or some other high calorie desert my wife and I will often pour a glass of wine and throw some raspberries, crackers and cheese on a cutting board and enjoy that while playing a board game or watching a movie.

Some people just can't seem to grasp the concept that people drink because they enjoy it and it enhances other things you consume with it (be that food or social). And that you can do it without going straight to drunk.

 

[vi edit]

I'd consider that mild alcoholism. You shouldn't need alcohol, at all.

You are pretty open about smoking weed. You don't need that at all either. But yet you still do.

 

[Gooberlx2]

Just don't drink on nights that you work the next day. Keep drinking for nights before days off, or on days off.

I can't imagine drinking alcohol so soon before work. There is always the risk of actually smelling of liquor when yo are at work, and even though you are sober and 100% fine, people might not think so.

😵 Do you not brush your teeth or something?

 

[zinfamous]

If you drink alcohol every day of the week you are an alcoholic. There is no easy way to say it. However, when you are young you think you will live forever. This will probably pass with age or your upset stomach and bad headaches.

It could be there are two types of people who drink. Some people can have a drink or two of alcoholic beverages and just stop, then there are some people who just keep drinking alcohol till they pass our or there is nothing left.

When I was young and in the Military I drank quite a bit. However, some time later I decided to quit and I have not had an alcoholic beverage for about 20 years. I take that money and waste it on computers instead.

lolno.

If you drink a sixer or case of beer or a pint or even fifth of liqour a day, then, yeah.

 

[zinfamous]

If someone says 'i have a drink everyday' I immediately assume they have a problem with alcohol.

Try water.

says the pothead.

 

[Ban Bot]

Yeah I do too. It's really how you drink, not if you have one every day. If you have trouble stopping, then it could be a sign of a problem.

If you have trouble stopping I would escalate your statement from, "then it could be a sign of a problem" to "you have an alcohol problem."

Those dealing with addiction and substance abuse lie to themselves about the extent of their problems.

 

[Jaskalas]

You think she drank 3 shots of whiskey a day during the prohibition? 😛

Didn't you?

If you have trouble stopping I would escalate your statement from, "then it could be a sign of a problem" to "you have an alcohol problem."

Those dealing with addiction and substance abuse lie to themselves about the extent of their problems.

Anyone that has to think about stopping is an alcoholic, and needs AA.

 

[WelshBloke]

Hmm? Its like acetaminophen. I never take it. It depletes your stores of glutathione, your bodies primary & naturally made antioxidant. I would imagine you could link it in a long term epidemiological study to a range of cancers in people who say, take around the clock acetaminophen for arthritis.

You aren't eating Southern European meat and drinking Southern European water. You aren't breathing Southern European air and you aren't drinking antioxidant rich South European wine. In terms of the actual alcohol content, alcohol is known to cause cell damage that accumulates over time, sorry. If they were to theoretically eat the grapes instead of drinking wine, their life expectancy would be even higher.

Ah. You subscribe to the Woo school of health.

Carry on and enjoy your coffee enemas or whatever the fashion is at the moment.

 

[nakedfrog]

Not that I won't drink, its just that drinking at home is literally one of the dumbest things ever

Literally? 🙄
There are thousands of things that are dumber than having a couple beers at home with friends over a tabletop game.