Norway Under Attack

[Locut0s]

yeah, that's why I mentioned "it happens."

meaning, a very vague and non-descriptive version of "with breaking stories like these and scattered news reports and assumptions leaking out ever couple of minutes, it's easy to latch on to the one shred of information that further validates your assumptions, over other reports that conflict with that those, or simply to realize that these are all unconfirmed, and therefore bear time and real investigation before an actual story can be presented."



and as it seems to be turning out, this appears to be the complete opposite of those assumptions.

I admit that I thought of the possibility, but this being in Norway and with the type of attacks, I was thinking this was more similar to Oklahoma City than Mumbai. Domestic crackhole terrorism rather than Islamic crackhole extremist.

It seems Norway has been battling extreme Neo Nazi groups for some time now. So for those who knew the political climate a NON Muslim terrorist would actually have been a safe bet even in the beginning. Again it all comes down to knowledge and not jumping to conclusions as you said.

 

[Phokus]

http://calgary.ctv.ca/servlet/an/lo...ng-aftermath-110723/20110723/?hub=CalgaryHome

"Norwegian media reports describe Breivik as a right-wing extremist opposed to both Islam and multi- culturalism.."



http://politisk.tv2.no/nyheter/stør...-ma-opphøre-muren-ma-rives-og-det-ma-skje-na/

the camp where the shooting occurred had just concluded a pro-
Palestinian rally the day before.

Boy i sure am shocked (NOT)

 

[Phokus]

Norwegian prisons are like holiday resorts:

http://www.odditycentral.com/pics/norwegian-prison-looks-more-like-a-holiday-resort.html

 

[zinfamous]

It seems Norway has been battling extreme Neo Nazi groups for some time now. So for those who knew the political climate a NON Muslim terrorist would actually have been a safe bet even in the beginning. Again it all comes down to knowledge and not jumping to conclusions as you said.

yeah. from my experience, the Scandinavian countries/people tend to be some of the more racist countries/people anywhere.

not all-inclusive, of course. Just that the lack of exposure, I suppose, lends many more people to the attitude of "oblivious racism," if you know what I mean....but also very explicit racism for the extremist bunches.

 

[Broheim]

yeah. from my experience, the Scandinavian countries/people tend to be some of the more racist countries/people anywhere.

not all-inclusive, of course. Just that the lack of exposure, I suppose, lends many more people to the attitude of "oblivious racism," if you know what I mean....but also very explicit racism for the extremist bunches.

O.O

brb gotta call all my muslim friends and tell them to gtfo!

but seriously, where the hell did you get that idea, because if it's true then we aren't very good at it, with the anti racism laws and all the immigrant workers from tyrkey we invited here in the 70's (or was it the 80's ? not sure since I wasnt around).

 

[Phokus]

Someone translated a msg board post from the killer, as close to a manifesto as you can get. Someone mentioned that the teenagers on the island held a pro-palestinian rally the day before and they're the youth wing of the labour party, the liberal party of norway, so it looks like that was why this rightwing nutjob murdered them:

"I have on some occasions discussed with SIOE [Stop Islamification Of Europe] and EDL and recommended them to use conscious strategies.

The tactics of the EDL is now out to "entice" an overreaction from Jihad Youth / Extreme-Marxists something they have succeeded several times already. Over The reaction has been repeatedly shown on the news which has booster EDLs ranks high.

This has also benefited BNP. WinWin for both.

But I must say I am very impressed with how quickly they have grown but this has to do with smart tactical choice by management.

EDL is an example and a Norwegian version is the only way to prevent Flash / SOS to harass Norwegian cultural conservatives from other fronts. Creating a Norwegian EDL should be No. 3 on the agenda after we have started up a cultural conservative newspaper with national distribution.

The agenda of the Norwegian cultural conservative movement over the next 5 years are therefore:

1 Newspaper with national distribution

2 Working for the control of several NGOs

3 Norwegian EDL”

"EDL" is an anti-islamic group, with ties to the tea-party (they supported the tea party's anti-'terror mosque' effort). Also endorsed by Michael Savage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Defense_League

American talk radio host Michael Savage became the first popular media figure to publicly announce support for the EDL, stating, "How does England take the Islamofascists spitting on their war dead, without letting the English Defence League wade into them with pipes and beer bottles, I'll never understand".[125] Erick Stakelbeck, a terrorism analyst and commentator for Pat Robertson's Christian Broadcasting Network, also expressed support for the EDL and compared it to the American Tea Party movement.[126]

The EDL is reported to be developing links with anti-Islamic elements within the Tea Party movement, through individuals associated with the Park51 controversy.[127]

In October, 2010, Rabbi Nachum Shifren travelled to England to speak at a rally. In his speech, he called Muslims "dogs" and told the EDL that "history will be recorded that on this day, read by our children for eternity, one group lit the spark to liberate us from the oppressors of our two governments and the leftist, fifth column, quisling press, and that it was the EDL which started the liberation of England from evil."[128]

The Jewish Defense League has held a demonstration in support of the EDL,[129] saying that the two groups will “take a stand against the forces of political Islam”. The Canadian Jewish congress has opposed the alliance.[130]

 

[RabidMongoose]

yeah. from my experience, the Scandinavian countries/people tend to be some of the more racist countries/people anywhere.

not all-inclusive, of course. Just that the lack of exposure, I suppose, lends many more people to the attitude of "oblivious racism," if you know what I mean....but also very explicit racism for the extremist bunches.

True, but I think that racist problems are pretty severe in Europe.

 

[lupi]

come on everyone, let's sing the next chorus for phokus;

troll troll troll your boat, gently down the stream

 

[Locut0s]

O.O

brb gotta call all my muslim friends and tell them to gtfo!

but seriously, where the hell did you get that idea, because if it's true then we aren't very good at it, with the anti racism laws and all the immigrant workers from tyrkey we invited here in the 70's (or was it the 80's ? not sure since I wasnt around).

Well you are the one with the personal experience but it's well documented that Norway has been battling the rising popularity of Neo Nazi groups.

 

[zinfamous]

O.O

brb gotta call all my muslim friends and tell them to gtfo!

but seriously, where the hell did you get that idea, because if it's true then we aren't very good at it, with the anti racism laws and all the immigrant workers from tyrkey we invited here in the 70's (or was it the 80's ? not sure since I wasnt around).

what I mean by "casual racism" or "oblivious racism..."

simply from traveling the trains, you get some weird comments from train attendants, regarding people of color, that one can only assume are common and generally accepted in the culture, as they deliver such comments with a smile and an assumption that you agree with them.

...especially coming from someone in the service industry. It's simply not something you see over here, these days. meaning, you wouldn't make such comments to a random stranger under the assumption that they agree with you.

A few years ago, when traveling through Oslo, my brother gave a sandwich to a "brown-skinned person of middle-eastern stock." He talked to the guy for a spell, learned about his family (he made shoes) and living in town. The other passengers gave my brother some stink eyes for simply conversing with the dude.

Like I said--it's not meant as a judgment on an entire country, region, and its people, just that in personal experiences and from what others have said, there is a far more pervasive injection of racism and "us and them" mentality than what people seem to assume exists in the USA.

To me, it seems like an issue of lack of exposure; and just as anywhere else, the assumed fears of what will happen to one's home culture when immigration continues to increase.

 

[Phokus]

I hate inconvenient facts

FTFY

U mad bro?

 

[MotF Bane]

I can't imagine the horror of receiving something like that.

Better that than a knock at the door from the police.

 

[Broheim]

Well you are the one with the personal experience but it's well documented that Norway has been battling the rising popularity of Neo Nazi groups.

Neo nazis aren't really that big of a problem imo... they just stand out more because the rest of society is extremely moderate.

 

[Locut0s]

Neo nazis aren't really that big of a problem imo... they just stand out more because the rest of society is extremely moderate.

Well I agree the rest of Norwegian society is very moderate and liberal. I'm quite left leaning myself and I think I'd be a perfect fit for the Scandinavian countries. However the very fact that there are enough neo nazi groups around too stand out means there is an issue.

 

[Broheim]

what I mean by "casual racism" or "oblivious racism..."

simply from traveling the trains, you get some weird comments from train attendants, regarding people of color, that one can only assume are common and generally accepted in the culture, as they deliver such comments with a smile and an assumption that you agree with them.

...especially coming from someone in the service industry. It's simply not something you see over here, these days. meaning, you wouldn't make such comments to a random stranger under the assumption that they agree with you.

A few years ago, when traveling through Oslo, my brother gave a sandwich to a "brown-skinned person of middle-eastern stock." He talked to the guy for a spell, learned about his family (he made shoes) and living in town. The other passengers gave my brother some stink eyes for simply conversing with the dude.

Like I said--it's not meant as a judgment on an entire country, region, and its people, just that in personal experiences and from what others have said, there is a far more pervasive injection of racism and "us and them" mentality than what people seem to assume exists in the USA.

To me, it seems like an issue of lack of exposure; and just as anywhere else, the assumed fears of what will happen to one's home culture when immigration continues to increase.

I have never witnessed anything like that, and I spend A LOT of time travelling by train, but it might have been a bad apple (I never said those doesn't exist)

I think the reason your brother got the "stink eye" isn't that he was talking to an immigrant but that he gave him a sandwich (lolwtf) and that he was talking in general... we're very courteous in trains but we mind our own bussiness, people probably just thought it was odd.

 

[IEC]

This has little to do with racism. In fact the manifesto of the killer indicates Neo-Nazis and anti-Semites can't be trusted to be rational due to their blinding hatred. It is the boiling over of an ideological war that has been brewing in Europe for a long time (see linked document killer contributed to):
http://www.2shared.com/file/M-s-2fBD/2083-AEuropeanDeclarationofInd.html

Relevant sections:

Disclaimer: I do not in any way endorse the viewpoints above by posting the above. This is so that others curious about the "why?" of this tragedy can sate their curiosity.

 

[ProfJohn]

Better that than a knock at the door from the police.

Assuming she survived.

Just try to imagine the agony of waiting for her to call back and say she was okay. I doubt most people could function in-between that text and hearing she was ok.

 

[0roo0roo]

youth labor party camp....

sounds kind of brainwashy.

 

[Locut0s]

This has little to do with racism. In fact the manifesto of the killer indicates Neo-Nazis and anti-Semites can't be trusted to be rational due to their blinding hatred. It is the boiling over of an ideological war that has been brewing in Europe for a long time (see linked document killer contributed to):
http://www.2shared.com/file/M-s-2fBD/2083-AEuropeanDeclarationofInd.html

Relevant sections:


SNIP

Disclaimer: I do not in any way endorse the viewpoints above by posting the above. This is so that others curious about the "why?" of this tragedy can sate their curiosity.

Umm doesn't take much reading to see that's very definitely racist. As well as being absolutely fucking scary insane of course.

 

[Locut0s]

youth labor party camp....

sounds kind of brainwashy.

I suspect it's a combination of cultural differences and the fact that Norway is a democratic socialist country. I very much doubt there is much brainwashy stuff going on there. Though I could be wrong.

 

[0roo0roo]

I suspect it's a combination of cultural differences and the fact that Norway is a democratic socialist country. I very much doubt there is much brainwashy stuff going on there. Though I could be wrong.

http://translate.google.com/transla...;re-muren-ma-rives-og-det-ma-skje-na/&act=url
looks like standard knee jerk lefty stuff

 

[Locut0s]

http://translate.google.com/transla...øre-muren-ma-rives-og-det-ma-skje-na/&act=url
looks like standard knee jerk lefty stuff

Sorry what does this have to do with the youth camp being or not being "brainwashy".

 

[Red Squirrel]

Damn, this looks pretty bad. Why can't everyone just get along.

 

[0roo0roo]

Sorry what does this have to do with the youth camp being or not being "brainwashy".

Bunch of kids under a political party label get all anti israel, what isn't brainwashy about that? It isn't even just a rally it is a camp!!

I wonder if they are the types that would have blamed americas foreign policy for 9/11 attacks...

 

[Locut0s]

Bunch of kids under a political party label get all anti israel, what isn't brainwashy about that? It isn't even just a rally it is a camp!!

I wonder if they are the types that would have blamed americas foreign policy for 9/11 attacks...

Well... I guess this should be taken to P&N but America's foreign policy DID play a roll in leading up to 9/11 but anyway we are obviously on different ends of the political spectrum.