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William Gaatjes

William Gaatjes

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I have posted this link before on this forum but i will post it again. I find it important for everyone to see.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1996321846673788606#

The research is still active in the US but on a much smaller scale then the job creating project of the iter project.

Judge yourself if this legendary man was on the right track...



Judge yourself if this legendary man was on the right track...


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Some links for credibility(so far possbile wtih wikipedia).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Bussard
The polywell.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polywell
 
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halik

halik

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William Gaatjes said:
I have posted this link before on this forum but i will post it again. I find it important for everyone to see.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1996321846673788606#

The research is still active in the US but on a much smaller scale then the job creating project of the iter project.

Judge yourself if this legendary man was on the right track...



Judge yourself if this legendary man was on the right track...


EDIT:
Some links for credibility(so far possbile wtih wikipedia).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Bussard
The polywell.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polywell
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Occham razor would suggest that if $200M is all it took to make a net+ energy source, we wouldn't be arguing about pros/cons of fission reactors...
 
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TruePaige

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halik said:
Occham razor would suggest that if $200M is all it took to make a net+ energy source, we wouldn't be arguing about pros/cons of fission reactors...
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<CONSPIRACY>

They took him out with that blood cancer of his to stop the truth! Only the Dear Leader saw this and followed his research path!

</CONSPIRACY>
 
William Gaatjes

William Gaatjes

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halik said:
Occham razor would suggest that if $200M is all it took to make a net+ energy source, we wouldn't be arguing about pros/cons of fission reactors...
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The thing is, it is a research reactor and as such a small one and as such a cheap one. But the science behind it may have more of a future then the current fusion project which has cost more then 30 billion dollars world wide and still there is no end to the tokamak research project.

Not only that, some rumors exist that the polywell project is actively ignored in favor of the tokamak project. Now suppose those rumors are true, that does not sound like science. It sounds like protecting financial and political interests. I do not know if these rumors are true and to be honest i really do not care. What do i care about :
I will not be the judge if the tokamak will work or not. But i do think that tackling the problem of fusion with multiple research directions is a good thing. What is discovered so far can be used to build a fusion reactor that has none of the flaws, all of the goodies of both techniques. One of the original designers of the fusor where the polywell is a scientific descendant from was the same person who invented the cathode ray tube.

If the poywell system works, it must be upscaled, it will need superconducting materials to carry the large currents. New technology on high voltage containment. Etcetera.
More then i can think of right now. There you will find your increase in price and it will costs billions too.

Occham razor ?
"entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem"
A lot of latin. But it still sounds like protecting personal interests instead of pursuing science.

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when you have two competing theories that make exactly the same predictions, the simpler one is the better. I do not think these theories are that similar anyway, just by looking at the design.
 
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I think all the devices that try to contain the plasma will fail...it seems like the focus fusion idea is a lot more solid...imho.
 
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piasabird

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Maybe they invented time travel, went forward in time, and brought the back from the future, the "Mr fusion car". Too bad they dont have one of those floating skateboard thingy's.

If they can produce fusion and can reproduce their research experiment, then bring it on and prove it. Otherwise it is just a pile of dung.

They use human manure for fertilizer, so maybe their leader is high from smelling his own dung.
 
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ShawnD1

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halik said:
Occham razor would suggest that if $200M is all it took to make a net+ energy source, we wouldn't be arguing about pros/cons of fission reactors...
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When something seems like it doesn't make sense, I want you to repeat this phrase: "most people are profoundly retarded"

Only North America has any kind of debate about fission reactors. The rest of the developed world loves them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_France
France is also the world's largest net exporter of electric power, exporting 18% of its total production (about 100 TWh) to Italy, the Netherlands, Belgium, Britain, and Germany, and its electricity cost is among the lowest in Europe
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How about we build some of those to stop california's problem with blackouts. Oh right, we can't because stupid high school drop outs are afraid of them.
 
hal2kilo

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I think they musta did it wif a elevated lightpole, or is that a levitated dipole, I keep getting them mixed up......
 
Lemon law

Lemon law

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Well maybe that is the problem, we, as humans will cheerfully poison out entire planet with oil based technologies, but mention the word nuclear energy and its a universal hysteria hissie fit, with a special NIMBY effect. No where near me.

Yet truth be told, nuclear fusion would be the holy grail, none of those damaged dangerous bi-product crap that comes with Nuclear fission. Just pure energy and almost nothing else.

But now we have a new type of Nuclear hysteria, we would embrace nuclear fusion as a Universal humankind technological advance, but oh God yeech yuck, it would be a certain turd if it came from North Korea.

Quick don't just stand there, resume poisoning ourselves with fossil fuel technology, spill the oil, mix the punch, drag out the Dickens.
 
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bobsmith1492

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Ha Lemon, I would love it if NK came up with a viable fusion design. The chances of it being true are slim to none, however. That said, a genius may be born anywhere. Perhaps through some remarkable circumstances a team in NK has developed a viable fusion reactor.

So, what are the ramifications?

NK could:
1. Share it with the world (unlikely)
2. Build and sell reactors to the world *
3. Keep it to themselves; build a few and enjoy cheap electricity, enhancing the standard of living
4. Get bombed into oblivion by the rest of the world
5. Have a slightly less insane leader come to power leading to any of the above
6. ... So many possibilities!

*I don't think 2 would happen because of political circumstances, but maybe China and NK would strike up an agreement. That would solve TONS of problems in China - massive growth requiring massive power currently being supplied by horrible coal plants.
 
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TruePaige

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piasabird said:
If they truly had enough money to work on fusion, how come they cant feed their own people?
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This. Current knowledge on fusion is that the reactors are very..very..expensive. Like more than the entire GDP of North Korea.
 
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