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NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

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s0me0nesmind1 said:
If they both had COVID... you realize they do have the antibodies, right? I mean, I'm not against "getting a booster" but trying to shove it down their throats when they DO infact have antibodies is very strange of this country.

Even Europe is pretty clear: They don't have any restrictions on anyone that is vaccinated - OR that have antibodies. We're the only ones that are trying to push this agenda that a vaccine is a requirement - even when you already have antibodies.
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Vaccines offer a more robust immune response, which has been documented in various studies. Especially in response to delta.

Google it. And go back to your cave.
 
JM Aggie08 said:
Vaccines offer a more robust immune response, which has been documented in various studies. Especially in response to delta.

Google it. And go back to your cave.
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Also, we've had folks on their third infection since early 2020, which implies antibodies only get you 6mo out anyhow.
 
Roger Wilco said:
Get the vaccine. It works. And it's safe.

"Consider, though, that an estimated 60,000 people gathered in Provincetown over the Fourth of July holiday. Restaurants, bars and house parties were packed to the brim. Some of the infected reported prolonged close contact with others. Another conclusion is that this was the ultimate stress test of the vaccines and they passed with flying colors: Only about 1.6 percent were infected, just seven were hospitalized, and no one died."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1423265014832582662

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You don't know the cruelty of being in the 1% until you play Fire Emblem: Thracia 776. The game in particular does not allow a 100% hit rate or 0%; in short, guaranteed and impossible are not present in that game. Enough stories and experiences have been posted on message boards to know sometimes even two attacks in a row can miss at 99% hit.

Such is the problem with people perceiving small numbers, as I have mentioned before. If the stats were 0.1%, or 0.01%, the then case for spread being stopped would be much stronger, as there would be 60 or 6 people respectively who tested positive.

This opinion piece is simply endemic of the distorted "vaccinated's optimism" that is not really helping matters in stopping spread.

Provincetown is a small town of 3,000 regulars. Thus, the population that was studied included numerous outsiders who will eventually leave that community and return to their usual lodgings.

The vaccine has stopped the overwhelming of infrastructure such as hospitals and thus gave a partial reboot to economic activity. What it hasn't achieved is all-out safety to each individual.

Having one defensive mechanism is not an excuse to discard the other defensive mechanisms.
 
Zorba said:
The opportunity in the platform is massive, far beyond COVID. That is why I invested in Moderna before anyone had ever heard of COVID-19.
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Funny thing is that Moderna had been a big fat zero up to this, and they had been in business for like 10 years. Companies usually don't last that long with that much failure. That they actually delivered something is kind of a miracle.
 
JM Aggie08 said:
Vaccines offer a more robust immune response, which has been documented in various studies. Especially in response to delta.

Google it. And go back to your cave.
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Except it's really not. It's simply not established as to what you're saying. The vaccine has only been a large chunk of the population for ~3 months now.

So your answer of "Just google it" I can find the exact same "answer" in favor of natural antibodies.

I suggest you get off your soapbox a bit in life of policing individuals - it really just makes you rage irrationally about other people... that literally have antibodies and you're screaming in the mirror "OMG GO GET MORE!!". There's much much more important things to worry about, such as people that don't have antibodies.

On the vaccine better-than-the-natural-immunity fallacy
You might have heard people stating that vaccines provide better protection than natural immunity. That’s an interesting way of bending reality. How can a vaccine be more effective at immunisation than the disease it is trying to mimic?

Theoretically, there are several reasons explaining why natural immunity is better than vaccine-induced immunity:

  • Fewer immune targets: mRNA/DNA vaccines present only a fraction of the virus genetic code (5-10%). For example, they don’t utilise ORF1 highly immunogenic epitopes. Therefore, the immune system will recruit a smaller number of T-cells tapping into a narrower repertoire, consequently with a less effective response. The logic: Imagine you lose a number of key players for a football tournament – you might still win, but it will be harder.
  • Longer immune trigger time: The smaller number of epitope targets also means that the alarm to the immune system will be delayed. This is a key driver of success in the COVID-19 battle. The wider the target repertoire, the faster the encounter between dendritic cells and identifiable antigens. The logic: Like a party you go to, you can start partying much faster when you have ten friends there than when you have only one. They are just easier to find.
  • Inappropriate delivery location: The intramuscular delivery of current vaccines unfortunately doesn’t mimic viral penetration and propagation at all. Coronaviruses don’t enter the body via muscles. They do so via the respiratory tract, often infecting cell to cell. Contrary to muscle-delivered vaccines, natural immunity places a strong sentinel force of memory resident cells at the portals of entry and shuts the body entrance to the virus preemptively. From an evolutionary standpoint, this makes perfect sense. The logic: It’s much easier to stop an army coming through a narrow gorge than on the beaches of Normandy.
Recent research confirms this logic. One comparative study in Israel found the protection from severe disease to be 96·4% for Covid-19 recovered individuals but 94.4% for vaccinated ones, and concluded “Our results question the need to vaccinate previously-infected individuals.” Another reference comparative study by a team at New York University highlighted a faster, wider and more impactful humoral and cytotoxic reaction in recovered immunity versus vaccine-induced.

There is ample evidence that vaccinating people recovered from COVID doesn’t bring any benefit. It quite possibly does the opposite, because of the risk of building tolerance to elements of the virus translating into reduced immune potency.
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www.biznews.com

Natural immunity vs Covid-19 vaccine-induced immunity – Marc Girardot of PANDA

Covid-19 brought about an age of misinformation like never before. With this, the responsibility of journalists to provide informed, well-researched and objecti
www.biznews.com www.biznews.com


Heres another from Michigan.gov


Heres another

newsrescue.com

Delta Variant: Natural Immunity 700% Greater Protection Than Shot, Data from Israeli Govt. Shows - NewsRescue.com

Update (Aug 27, 2021) After being fact-checked by FaceBook's “Health feedback”, Bloomberg and other mainstream media are reporting on this same finding today. Related: NewsRescue–#LongHaulers: Spike Protein Present on Covid And in Vaccines Dangerously Modifies Genes Even After Exposure – Texas...
newsrescue.com newsrescue.com


Heres another from National Institute of Health



Here is another about the general reluctance in the health community to have this subject of debate - because folks like you have politicized it so much:

www.aier.org

Why Is There Such Reluctance to Discuss Natural Immunity? | The Daily Economy

"Whatever the reason, it's keeping Americans in the dark about how many people have active immunity from Covid-19. It's keeping people needle ...
www.aier.org www.aier.org
 
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Zorba said:
Will you guys take the zoning argument to PN, there are several threads over there with similar debates.
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Very true. Apologies, although I think my last response zoned out any possible stupid reply they could have made.

I have always loved the BioNTech story. I wish I had money in that company. It seems the heads of that are just really driven by science and making good shit using science.

www.nytimes.com

The Husband-and-Wife Team Behind the Leading Vaccine to Solve Covid-19 (Published 2020)

The German company BioNTech, founded by two scientists, has teamed up with Pfizer on a vaccine that was found to be more than 90 percent effective.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
 
Roger Wilco said:
Get the vaccine. It works. And it's safe.

"Consider, though, that an estimated 60,000 people gathered in Provincetown over the Fourth of July holiday. Restaurants, bars and house parties were packed to the brim. Some of the infected reported prolonged close contact with others. Another conclusion is that this was the ultimate stress test of the vaccines and they passed with flying colors: Only about 1.6 percent were infected, just seven were hospitalized, and no one died."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1423265014832582662

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That's great news! I haven't been to P-Town in, uh, 20 years I think. Can't imagine that they can handle 60K people with food/lodging - things surely have changed 😳
 
JM Aggie08 said:
My buddy continues to go to his megachurch with his pregnant wife. They even refuse COVID tests if they/their child show symptoms. I'm at a fucking loss.
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Yeah, their are folks in my church that feel that way, for all sorts of reasons 😕


My niece works at at a hospital and her and her husband are recently married and starting to have kids. The docs there suggested that she might want to wait before she gets one of the Covid vaccines as the CDC hasn't posted definitive information on whether or not it is safe yet for pregnant mothers. I think all the CDC has said that so far there are no know complications (so far!!?). Anyway, it sucks - I'm worried.
 
s0me0nesmind1 said:
Except it's really not. It's simply not established as to what you're saying. The vaccine has only been a large chunk of the population for ~3 months now.

So your answer of "Just google it" I can find the exact same "answer" in favor of natural antibodies.

I suggest you get off your soapbox a bit in life of policing individuals - it really just makes you rage irrationally about other people... that literally have antibodies and you're screaming in the mirror "OMG GO GET MORE!!". There's much much more important things to worry about, such as people that don't have antibodies.



www.biznews.com

Natural immunity vs Covid-19 vaccine-induced immunity – Marc Girardot of PANDA

Covid-19 brought about an age of misinformation like never before. With this, the responsibility of journalists to provide informed, well-researched and objecti
www.biznews.com www.biznews.com


Heres another from Michigan.gov


Heres another

newsrescue.com

Delta Variant: Natural Immunity 700% Greater Protection Than Shot, Data from Israeli Govt. Shows - NewsRescue.com

Update (Aug 27, 2021) After being fact-checked by FaceBook's “Health feedback”, Bloomberg and other mainstream media are reporting on this same finding today. Related: NewsRescue–#LongHaulers: Spike Protein Present on Covid And in Vaccines Dangerously Modifies Genes Even After Exposure – Texas...
newsrescue.com newsrescue.com


Heres another from National Institute of Health



Here is another about the general reluctance in the health community to have this subject of debate - because folks like you have politicized it so much:

www.aier.org

Why Is There Such Reluctance to Discuss Natural Immunity? | The Daily Economy

"Whatever the reason, it's keeping Americans in the dark about how many people have active immunity from Covid-19. It's keeping people needle ...
www.aier.org www.aier.org
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Clearly the jury is out, since you can find articles supporting both sides of the argument.

Policing individuals? Not sure if you actually read my post, but I clearly mentioned staying out of it and 'not broaching the subject' and internalizing my frustration. How is that indicative of policing?

Similarly, where did I politicize anything at all? Again, are we reading the same post, or are you just so focused on trying to make a point and taking out your own frustrations that you're just making shit up?
 
JM Aggie08 said:
Clearly the jury is out, since you can find articles supporting both sides of the argument.

Policing individuals? Not sure if you actually read my post, but I clearly mentioned staying out of it and 'not broaching the subject' and internalizing my frustration. How is that indicative of policing?

Similarly, where did I politicize anything at all? Again, are we reading the same post, or are you just so focused on trying to make a point and taking out your own frustrations that you're just making shit up?
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Apologies for misinterpreting your post(s) then - Genuinely hope you can solve your internal frustrations that you mention.
 
jpiniero said:
Funny thing is that Moderna had been a big fat zero up to this, and they had been in business for like 10 years. Companies usually don't last that long with that much failure. That they actually delivered something is kind of a miracle.
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Biotech is a very long play, especially with a very bleeding edge technology. Novavax has been around 30 years and got their first FDA approval last year.
 
My company decided masks were back earlier this week, I think they were gone for 3-4 weeks. But apparently you don't have to wear in your office (makes sense I guess, its what we did before) or your cubicle. Cubicle? Last I checked half wall cubicles don't do shit, lol. I'm a mask proponent but that just seems like security theater to me.
 
Ajay said:
That's great news! I haven't been to P-Town in, uh, 20 years I think. Can't imagine that they can handle 60K people with food/lodging - things surely have changed 😳
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I'm not entirely sure they can, lol. It's not a very big place, out on the tip. 60k people was probably just a zoo. And it p town had 60k in a 2-3 day time frame, the rest of the cape was probably packed as well.
 
jpiniero said:
www.geekwire.com

Amazon delays office return to January 2022 as rise of Delta variant thwarts corporate plans

Amazon told employees Thursday that it will delay its timeline for returning to regular work in the office until early next year. The new date: Jan. 3,
www.geekwire.com www.geekwire.com

Amazon delays it's return to the office until next year. They are however not going to do a vaccine mandate although I bet they will just PIP people instead (lol)
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I remember reading an article where a woman who was an Amazon developer was PIP'ed for falling behind while she was doing cancer treatments, so that seems like a reasonable assumption.
 
PingSpike said:
I remember reading an article where a woman who was an Amazon developer was PIP'ed for falling behind while she was doing cancer treatments, so that seems like a reasonable assumption.
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Known a few engineers who went to work for them. All are elsewhere now with little good to say about their experience.
 
PingSpike said:
My company decided masks were back earlier this week, I think they were gone for 3-4 weeks. But apparently you don't have to wear in your office (makes sense I guess, its what we did before) or your cubicle. Cubicle? Last I checked half wall cubicles don't do shit, lol. I'm a mask proponent but that just seems like security theater to me.
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Even in offices, unless they are using mostly outside air or running through HEPA filters, it's just getting spread around by the HVAC system.
 
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