NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[thestrangebrew1]

2 kids. One toddler, one baby.

Camping just won't work with all the ridiculous crap we need. Otherwise I wouldn't mind.

Breast pumps, baby crib, frozen milk... Blah blah blah.

Yea f that. We took our daughter tent camping when she was a few months old and bought a trailer when we came back.

 

[K1052]

initial wave will be gated to at-risk, i'm sure. after that, probably any pharmacy will be administering them. costco, walmart, kroger, safe way, HEB, walgreens, cvs, etc.

I think pharmacy availably might be a 3rd stage with mass inoculation events in between. Though HEB's planning abilities seem to greatly exceed those of the State of Texas so maybe they should run it.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

All teams, players, coaches, personnel, reporters, doctors... ANYONE involved in the proceedings are basically quarantined in location(s) together. You don't get to leave and others don't get to come in (without a 2 week isolation) It's working in the NBA flawlessly thus far. They are bubbled in a complex within Disney in Florida. Hotels, accommodations, venues etc all inside a "bubble"

In closing, Manfred is the worst commissioner ever. They imposed very few rules on the the MLB players and look what happened.

Do they have whores in the bubble too or do they just not f any whores for two weeks?

 

[BudAshes]

Do they have whores in the bubble too or do they just not f any whores for two weeks?

If I was the type to make your mother jokes this would seem to be an opportune time.

 

[Red Squirrel]

This week I was suppose to go camping with a friend from down south but we decided to cancel when all this first started. So just did a staycation, got a few things done around the house but mostly just used the time to relax and not do much.

 

[local]

The Pfizer trial is looking for more participants in the DFW area so I put my name in the hat. Already signed up through the NIH but this was a more direct to the facility running the trial email type thing. I figure all this running around I am doing has to be good for something.

 

[Muse]

Back in the early summer I began to think nothing could be worse than the initial outbreak here in the US, and that the primary driver of pain going forward would be economic.

But now I fear that the fall will bring something much worse. This virus is now fully dispersed and deeply rooted in all populations across the country.

The winter is going to be bleak.

Well, like Dr. Michael Osterholm said, we CAN prevent that catastrophe in the coming months if we institute a strict lockdown (for all but essential activities) for up to 6 weeks, which would bring confirmed cases down to 1/100,000 residents in the USA. We'd have to prepare some to do it, but it can be done and the price we'd pay would be far less than the price of not doing it.

Dr. Michael Osterholm says a temporary (up to 6 week) SIP policy is necessary to get US out of our raging problem until a vaccine arrives

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/07/opinion/coronavirus-lockdown-unemployment-death.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage Here’s How to Crush the Virus Until Vaccines Arrive To save lives, and save the economy, we need another lockdown. By Michael T. Osterholm and Neel Kashkari Dr...

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[Roger Wilco]

Well, like Dr. Michael Osterholm said, we CAN prevent that catastrophe in the coming months if we institute a strict lockdown (for all but essential activities) for up to 6 weeks, which would bring confirmed cases down to 1/100,000 residents in the USA. We'd have to prepare some to do it, but it can be done and the price we'd pay would be far less than the price of not doing it.

Dr. Michael Osterholm says a temporary (up to 6 week) SIP policy is necessary to get US out of our raging problem until a vaccine arrives

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/07/opinion/coronavirus-lockdown-unemployment-death.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage Here’s How to Crush the Virus Until Vaccines Arrive To save lives, and save the economy, we need another lockdown. By Michael T. Osterholm and Neel Kashkari Dr...

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This would be ideal. Unfortunately, I highly doubt Mericans will adhere to anything other than the opposite of ideal.

 

[Scarpozzi]

So... employers are pushing for us to burn our vacation time now - so that if things start to ramp up again in the later part of the year that we aren't all trying to take it at once.

Thoughts on booking a trip out to a resort hotel? Hoping it's a lot more dead with a lot less people than normal. Ultimately just looking for a way to relax without much human contact outside of ordering food at a table or something.

Actually, last time we went to a Ritz Carlton resort pre-covid - the pool (with slides, lazy river, etc...) were practically entirely dead during the week Mon - Fri. It was only over the weekend when they let other savage people from outside the hotel pay their way to get in and it got semi-crowded.

If I were going to vacation, I would vacation in the North, rather than the South....too much stupid when you drive that direction.

Either way, if you do go North or South, I suggest sticking to VRBO and condos for rent that allow you to properly distance without high volume. Restaurant take-out is likely ok...but I'd definitely avoid dining in restaurants. Once again, too much close-proximity to people from who knows where... Things will look different next year....this just has to run its course. (vaccine not considered in that statement)

 

[Scarpozzi]

Universities will open in person just long enough to get the cash and then go online. Like PingSpike said, it's a good time to sit it out.

What do you mean long enough to get the cash? Most universities make more money for online classes than in-person classes (by charging extra fees)....

It's not a good time to sit out....ever. New customer acquisition for universities is pretty much right now. If they don't get Freshmen in the Fall, they won't have Freshmen in the Spring....Sophomores next Fall...it's a ripple that goes through enrollment and far more problematic for smaller schools because of high costs and no help from state/federal funding. I'm really curious how many students that opt to sit out ever make the leap to higher education. I can imagine a bunch will start looking for a job so they can buy beer.

 

[brianmanahan]

You also gotta wonder how anti-vaxxers are going to take this

i know a few anti-vax homeopathy moms on facebook

they're not taking it well LOL

 

[Scarpozzi]

i know a few anti-vax homeopathy moms

they're not taking it well LOL

There COULD be a link between autism and those new COVID vaccines. We just don't know yet and I don't want to be on the spectrum....do you?

 

[manly]

Well, like Dr. Michael Osterholm said, we CAN prevent that catastrophe in the coming months if we institute a strict lockdown (for all but essential activities) for up to 6 weeks, which would bring confirmed cases down to 1/100,000 residents in the USA. We'd have to prepare some to do it, but it can be done and the price we'd pay would be far less than the price of not doing it.

Dr. Michael Osterholm says a temporary (up to 6 week) SIP policy is necessary to get US out of our raging problem until a vaccine arrives

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/07/opinion/coronavirus-lockdown-unemployment-death.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage Here’s How to Crush the Virus Until Vaccines Arrive To save lives, and save the economy, we need another lockdown. By Michael T. Osterholm and Neel Kashkari Dr...

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There's pretty much no place in the country that's willing to go through a multi-week SIP order right now. Unless something catastrophic happens, it's off the table. I've been wrong before, but let's hope April in NYC metro doesn't replay anywhere else this fall.

What do you mean long enough to get the cash? Most universities make more money for online classes than in-person classes (by charging extra fees)....

It's not a good time to sit out....ever. New customer acquisition for universities is pretty much right now. If they don't get Freshmen in the Fall, they won't have Freshmen in the Spring....Sophomores next Fall...it's a ripple that goes through enrollment and far more problematic for smaller schools because of high costs and no help from state/federal funding. I'm really curious how many students that opt to sit out ever make the leap to higher education. I can imagine a bunch will start looking for a job so they can buy beer.

Sounds like the youngsters you're describing aren't good candidates for a university in the first place, or perhaps they should start at a local 2-year college first. I'd wholeheartedly agree that university isn't for everybody; but despite what some may conclude from YouTube streamers or IG influencers, the economic prospects for high-school graduates without any skills training aren't pretty.

There are some mediocre liberal arts colleges that were nearly insolvent before COVID-19, and they certainly won't survive the pandemic.

 

[Muse]

This would be ideal. Unfortunately, I highly doubt Mericans will adhere to anything other than the opposite of ideal.

Are you a Russian perchance?

 

[Muse]

One has to wonder how fun it's going to be once vaccination begins.

You think you saw a shit-ton of people in lines to get tested? Sheeeeeeeeeeeet - wait till the vaccine lines come.

Whale, sheeeeeeeiit. Last I checked my doctor didn't see anyone without an APPOINTMENT. What a novel idea! Appointments! Hmm. Do you think it might be possible to engage the populace in the idea of appointments? Most people have access to something that tells them the date and time.

 

[Muse]

The Pfizer trial is looking for more participants in the DFW area so I put my name in the hat. Already signed up through the NIH but this was a more direct to the facility running the trial email type thing. I figure all this running around I am doing has to be good for something.

So, if you get in the test you'll have a 50-50 chance of getting the vaccination vs a placebo?

 

[Scarpozzi]

There's pretty much no place in the country that's willing to go through a multi-week SIP order right now. Unless something catastrophic happens, it's off the table. I've been wrong before, but let's hope April in NYC metro doesn't replay anywhere else this fall.


Sounds like the youngsters you're describing aren't good candidates for a university in the first place, or perhaps they should start at a local 2-year college first. I'd wholeheartedly agree that university isn't for everybody; but despite what some may conclude from YouTube streamers or IG influencers, the economic prospects for high-school graduates without any skills training aren't pretty.

There are some mediocre liberal arts colleges that were nearly insolvent before COVID-19, and they certainly won't survive the pandemic.

Good candidates or not, college enrollment has been in decline since around the time that Trump was elected. Most of it was because there was a boom when Obama went in and the economy was in full recovery....since then, the job market has been winning and high school grads have been jumping to the work force.

I'm in total agreement with you. First generation college students have a rough time because they don't have the family support 2nd-3rd generation students have. I'm even talking about filling out the paperwork and going through the process of enrollment here... As far as the financial difference, getting a college degree can boost annual earnings averages by $10-50k annually. Even at $10k over 30 years, that's $300,000 that person could have earned (not counting health insurance and retirement benefits earnings). Do the math and realize that students that don't attend and graduate from college are often shooting their lifestyles in the foot.

Yes...not everyone is cut out for it, but even a degree in general studies is a degree and can get them a better job/increased job options.

 

[local]

So, if you get in the test you'll have a 50-50 chance of getting the vaccination vs a placebo?

Probably, otherwise how would you measure effectiveness?

 

[shortylickens]

 

[shortylickens]

 

[Muse]

Imagine 'em all on ventilators, Barty.

 

[Exterous]

I'd even be cautious about camping. We went to the Upper Peninsula in Michigan. Got a cabin for ourselves, cooked the vast majority of our own meals etc. But we still had to make changes because many places were packed and we weren't willing to deal with that. Camp grounds were completely full. We saw 36 different state license plates with a shit ton from southern states like Texas. We saw more Texas license plates than Indiana. Also saw 3 Canadian license plates at state parks so they're clearly trying to steal our COVID.

 

[Exterous]

The part that surprised me is the number of students that are coming back to this town regardless of it being opened or closed. I think they just really, really want that 'college life' or whatever, damn the consequences.

Yeah it doesn't seem to matter how much is online - college students are moving back to campus. I know one large school with 70% online only ~20% hybrid and only classes needing physical labs are in person only. They're still predicting 80% of normal off campus housing occupancy (which also means the university can't enforce and standards on those locations). Another with online only options is predicting 50% off campus housing occupancy compared to 20% over the summer.

Big-12 is going to say YOLO to COVID. Test positivity rate in TX is 20% and just passed half a million confirmed cases. Over 9K deaths.

It's going to be a weird year when they realize they can't play most of their games due to overlapping football team quarantines

 

[K1052]

Yeah it doesn't seem to matter how much is online - college students are moving back to campus. I know one large school with 70% online only ~20% hybrid and only classes needing physical labs are in person only. They're still predicting 80% of normal off campus housing occupancy (which also means the university can't enforce and standards on those locations). Another with online only options is predicting 50% off campus housing occupancy compared to 20% over the summer.

It's going to be a weird year when they realize they can't play most of their games due to overlapping football team quarantines

I give it three to four weeks tops before most schools cancel all in person learning, cancel all athletics, and force students in campus housing to go home.

 

[ponyo]

I'd even be cautious about camping. We went to the Upper Peninsula in Michigan. Got a cabin for ourselves, cooked the vast majority of our own meals etc. But we still had to make changes because many places were packed and we weren't willing to deal with that. Camp grounds were completely full. We saw 36 different state license plates with a shit ton from southern states like Texas. We saw more Texas license plates than Indiana. Also saw 3 Canadian license plates at state parks so they're clearly trying to steal our COVID.

Yup. Campgrounds are packed. Everyone is going camping. Which is why I'm not going. And why I decided not to buy RV for now.