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NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

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Mai72 said:
Maybe. Like I've stated earlier. It's not going to end the world, or kill 100 million people. But, the impact that this could have on economies has the potential to be life altering. Eventually something had to give anyway.
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A 100 million dead is certainly within the realm of worst case scenarios. After all, that is only 2% of 5 billion people. It may not be all directly due to the dying from the virus itself, but the poverty and lack of quality medical care resulting from a pandemic can kill A LOT of people.

The news, especially CNN love to hype these type of things. We shall see...
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CNN was absolutely terrible at highlighting important coronavirus developments until the stock market started tanking. Same goes for Fox News and most other US media.
 
Spacehead said:
Curious, why can South Korea test that many per day & people are saying the US can only do 100 per day? I'd have to re-read the thread to find the posts that say this.



In P&N
https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...t-to-prevent-the-next-viral-pandemic.2576366/
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Because South Korea has previous experience with SARS/MERS and Bird flu. Which is why I believe South Korea will soon get this coronavirus under control now they know how bad it is.

My experience of using health service and hospitals in South Korea is that they're super efficient and extremely hard working. They don't have you sit and wait and they don't waste any time. They work like machines. I've heard that South Korea has like 70+ testing stations right now. They even have drive through testing where they test you while you're in your car. It's like going through McDonald's drive through, except to test for coronavirus. Supposedly, they get the results back in 6 hours.

I go to South Korea to get my medical checkups about every other year. I was planning to go this year but will probably go next year for my annual checkup.
 
I was just watching CNN and they said to stay home if you feel ill.And, this is the issue. Most Americans will not stay home if they feel ill, and that has much to do with the work system. Even if you have sick days, most businesses discourage use of those sick days. If you use too many you can get written up, If you work for a food service, small business you could see less hours if you don't show up for work. Over 70% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck. If you don't have sick days, you aren't going to call out of work. The point is most Aemricans aren't able to stay at home for weeks.

It's just not happening.
 
ponyo said:
Because South Korea has previous experience with SARS/MERS and Bird flu. Which is why I believe South Korea will soon get this coronavirus under control now they know how bad it is.

My experience of using health service and hospitals in South Korea is that they're super efficient and extremely hard working. They don't have you sit and wait and they don't waste any time. They work like machines. I've heard that South Korea has like 70+ testing stations right now. They even have drive through testing where they test you while you're in your car. It's like going through McDonald's drive through, except to test for coronavirus. Supposedly, they get the results back in 6 hours.

I go to South Korea to get my medical checkups about every other year. I was planning to go this year but will probably go next year for my annual checkup.
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Yea, I lived in South Korea for two years. I can attest to their hard working nature. When I was sick I was seen within 20 minutes. It's like a revolving door though.Doctors in Korea see a lot of patients.Will they get this under control? Only time will tell.
 
Spacehead said:
Hmmm... i thought they were saying it was probably from bats. Guess not?
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I saw something about how SARS jumped from bats to pangolins as an intermediary host before it jumped again to humans and they suggested it may have happened the same way this time. I don't see why a human that gets it through direct exposure can't be the intermediary for other humans but I am not an expert.

My understanding is that endemic human Coronaviruses can have a transgenic exchange if a human also contracts a zoonotic strain of corona virus, be it from a lab accident, mutation within the animal host, or some abnormal exposure (accidentally inhale infected bird/bat/pig tissues?). That exchange could convey what the zoonotic coronavirus needs to spread freely among humans, exposing us to a new strain for which we have no immunity.

Same goes for animal influenzas that make the jump.
 
Welp, stocked up on some essentials on the way home today. Bag of rice, bags of beans, some canned veggies, a few bags of taters and onions, some chicken breasts, lots o paper products, a couple gallons of water, gatorade, and booze. I'm good for a few weeks if my campus gets quarantined and the city shuts down.

I didn't see any nutters like me in the store, but the water and TP aisles were getting a little low.
 
Mai72 said:
I was just watching CNN and they said to stay home if you feel ill.And, this is the issue. Most Americans will not stay home if they feel ill, and that has much to do with the work system. Even if you have sick days, most businesses discourage use of those sick days. If you use too many you can get written up, If you work for a food service, small business you could see less hours if you don't show up for work. Over 70% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck. If you don't have sick days, you aren't going to call out of work. The point is most Aemricans aren't able to stay at home for weeks.

It's just not happening.
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Speaking of, I just put in my request for 12 weeks of paid family leave heh.

Not that it matters all that much since I work from home mostly anyhow.
 
Hearing reports like this that the most severe cases are also infecting the nervous system (unlike SARS):

They are careful to say it's "not peer-reviewed" yet but the whole channel could just be anti-CCP rumor-mongers for all I know. Just stumbled on it and played it thinking it was one of the channels I sub (it's not). Their interviews seem so fake... even the one with Rep. Mark Walker.

Anyone familiar with the researchers?
 
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Costco in northern colorado is out of water, low on bleach and some cleaning supplies, pallets of rice were low. Drugs were well stocked.
 
CZroe said:
Most of this discussion happened in this thread back in January so you probably missed it:
•Masks ran out in China early on, of course.

•Chinese pages popped up instructing other Chinese on how to order from US Amazon and medical supply places abroad. Nothing wrong with that. They need masks. We had masks.

•Amazon and the medical suppliers ran out of stock first, leaving contractor supply and hardware stores where availability was already spotty due to proxy buyers cleaning out random localities. This happened before many in the west even knew what was going on.

•The looming wider shortage was predicted by reports from those in-the-know with direct links to these Chinese sites. The Amazon shortage was already a thing.

•As the shortage worsened CNN and others misattributed it to American panic-buying and hoarding, even writing articles telling people that it was no more deadly than the flu (early on, remember?) and that they should not be buying masks while they still can.

•Those who knew better knew that it was far worse than the flu, was not contained, and that the masks would be long-gone by the time it gets here if they didn't get their masks immediately. Those who stuck with mainstream news would not realize the issue until later: When/if the disease comes here, the masks will already be gone.

My brother was in Thailand where he already needed to have a mask (second-worst outbreak at the time) so he already had masks. For my mother and myself, I secured two masks from Lowe's before telling others that Grainger, Lowe's, Home Depot, McMaster-Carr, etc would still have them but not for long. Only two. One for me, one for my mother. A less-than-reasonable amount. Not hoarding or scalping or panic-buying, since I can use them for my other projects regardless of whether or not the virus ever becomes a concern here and, if anything, I could justify buying MORE.

I considered ordering a contractor pack since you are supposed to replace them every few hours but deliberately did not since I knew that China really does need those more than we do right now. It wasn't a case of American panic-buying and depleting stocks. It was calm, rational, free-market dynamics.
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every day i get another box of surgical masks, i think i have at least 400 now 🙂 who gives a shit if im hording them? isnt this america and we are allowed to do anything we like? i wont be happy till i get 1000 masks, 400 gallons of water and 500 pounds of rice / beans with a few frozen steer. so what? i prob have 5000 gloves too (i use them when i go shooting along with masks because of all the lead that comes off the bullets and how messy it gets) we should be allowed to hord anything we want am i taking away from the chineeseee supply ? I DONT THINK SO since im in america not china. will it hit america? YA I THINK SO.. Will my families have the supplies needed? Yuppppp. solar electricity, well water, food and medical supplies, shit i even looked into buying some remdesivir but my connections dont have any 🙂 but it doesnt sound like a bad idea. have shitload of other medicines too incase there is some kinda panic where it is all bought out, already have it! Maybe you can think of some other stuff i should hoard> 🙂
 
killster1 said:
every day i get another box of surgical masks, i think i have at least 400 now 🙂 who gives a shit if im hording them? isnt this america and we are allowed to do anything we like? i wont be happy till i get 1000 masks, 400 gallons of water and 500 pounds of rice / beans with a few frozen steer. so what? i prob have 5000 gloves too (i use them when i go shooting along with masks because of all the lead that comes off the bullets and how messy it gets) we should be allowed to hord anything we want am i taking away from the chineeseee supply ? I DONT THINK SO since im in america not china. will it hit america? YA I THINK SO.. Will my families have the supplies needed? Yuppppp. solar electricity, well water, food and medical supplies, shit i even looked into buying some remdesivir but my connections dont have any 🙂 but it doesnt sound like a bad idea. have shitload of other medicines too incase there is some kinda panic where it is all bought out, already have it! Maybe you can think of some other stuff i should hoard> 🙂
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You may have a problem. Not going to say for sure but maybe...
 
If we exclude Iran, the global morality rate outside of China is now below 1%. There are about 100 people in serious condition, but, for now, confirmed cases are outpacing deaths by at least a factor of 100.
 
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