NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[Amused]

The reported rate of those dying from the infection is far higher than influenza (3% vs ~.13%), and that's assuming China's reported deaths are accurate. The fear is from the chance of dying from it, and is very valid.

I'll note that the mortality rate is predicted by epidemiologists to be higher than 3%, closer to SARS/MERS (~30%) but we need more/valid data first. We're very, very early in the outbreak.

And yet the average age of death is 75 and virtually all have had severe co-morbidities in a country with shitty healthcare. I'll wager the death rate would be far lower in first world countries.

My numbers stand. If you don't bat an eye during a flu season, don't get a yearly flu shot and this scares you deeply you lack perspective.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

And yet the average age of death is 75 and virtually all have has severe co-morbidities in a country with shitty healthcare. I'll wager the death rate would be far lower in first world countries.

My numbers stand. If you don't bat an eye during a flu season, don't get a yearly flu shot and this scares you deeply you lack perspective.

Yes, your numbers stand, but we don't have enough information to determine if this is going to be worse. As of right now, it looks like it has a higher potential to be worse, which is why people are worried. Your claim that everyone lacks perspective because this seems potentially dangerous than influenza is short-sighted.

 

[Amused]

Yes, your numbers stand, but we don't have enough information to determine if this is going to be worse. As of right now, it looks like it has a higher potential to be worse, which is why people are worried. Your claim that everyone lacks perspective because this seems potentially dangerous than influenza is short-sighted.

I disagree. Especially after both SARS and MERS were successfully contained.

Yet the Flu is not, and no one bats an eye. And we even have a vaccine for the flu that most do not get, though even in the worst match years it dramatically lowers hospitalizations and deaths.

So no. I disagree. There is no rational perspective here when it comes to the fear Americans are displaying over 2019-ncov. This is fear mongering and all the usual media suspects are jumping on the bandwagon. Especially the preppers and conspirtards.

 

[PlanetJosh]

So being in the working class could contribute greatly to the spread of it in the U.S.? Meaning the middle class and poor workers in America who have symptoms may not report it to their doctors because they don't want to lose standing in their jobs or lose their jobs.

But maybe coworkers and supervisors could notice your symptoms on the job. However some workers are clever in ways to hide the symptoms by using OTC cold medicines and acting as normal as possible. A counter to my argument could be many workers with symptoms may take advantage of sick leave making it safer for all. And hope taking the sick leave doesn't reflect badly to the management. I'm retired so I'm not working btw.

 

[Amused]

I'm not the only one who thinks the hand wringing over the Coronavirus lacks perspective.

The flu is a far bigger threat to most people in the US than the Wuhan coronavirus. Here's why.

Five people in the US have been diagnosed with the coronavirus that started in China. Since October, at least 10,000 Americans have died of influenza.

www.businessinsider.com

Something far deadlier than the Wuhan coronavirus lurks near you, right here in America

There's a virus that has already sickened at least 13 million Americans this winter, hospitalizing 120,000 and killing 6,600. You probably know of it.

www.usatoday.com

Coronavirus news: Flu a bigger threat than new virus, experts warn

THE CORONAVIRUS which is rapidly spreading across the globe should be the least of our concerns when compared to the flu, scientists have warned.

www.express.co.uk

 

[ponyo]

I disagree. Especially after both SARS and MERS were successfully contained.

Yet the Flu is not, and no one bats an eye. And we even have a vaccine for the flu that most do not get, though even in the worst match years it dramatically lowers hospitalizations and deaths.

So no. I disagree. There is no rational perspective here when it comes to the fear Americans are displaying over 2019-ncov. This is fear mongering and all the usual media suspects are jumping on the bandwagon. Especially the preppers and conspirtards.

If this thing is remotely deadly as MERS, I'm going to hide in my basement and never come out. MERS had greater than 30% mortality rate in South Korea. That shit was deadly. And I can assure you medical care in South Korea is first rate. Maybe not as good as the US but for certain diseases like liver cancer, I rather get treatment is South Korea than the US. The doctors and medical professionals in South Korea are generally great and the hospitals modern and very efficient.

 

[Amused]

If this thing is remotely deadly as MERS, I'm going to hide in my basement and never come out. MERS had greater than 30% mortality rate in South Korea. That shit was deadly. And I can assure you medical care in South Korea is first rate. Maybe not as good as the US but for certain diseases like liver cancer, I rather get treatment is South Korea than the US. The doctors and medical professionals in South Korea are generally great and the hospitals modern and very efficient.

It doesn't. In nearly 3000 cases it has a death rate of 2.9%. The average age is 75 and the vast majority have severe co-morbidities.

There is no reason to believe this is anything nearly as severe as MERS or even SARS. To assume so is to do so based on zero evidence.

Moreover, SARS and MERS were successfully contained.

This is exactly the type of fear mongering I'm talking about.

 

[K1052]

People are overreacting but there is the question in the back of my mind about how forthcoming the Chinese government is with the facts. Overall the bug seems like a concern but not anything close to a MERS threat. Does seem containment may not really be practical in the end.

Would feel better if some non-state actors had good handle on what's really going on.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

This is fear mongering and all the usual media suspects are jumping on the bandwagon.

Like the WHO?

Confusion as WHO corrects China virus global risk level

GENEVA: The World Health Organization, which has sometimes been criticised for its handling of past disease outbreaks, admitted an error on Monday (Jan 27) in its risk assessment of China's deadly virus.The Geneva-based UN agency said in a situation report late on Sunday that the risk was "very h

www.channelnewsasia.com

"WHO's risk assessment is that the outbreak is a very high risk in China, and a high risk regionally and globally."

 

[Mai72]

Some old guy coughed on me!

Am I doooooooomed?

 

[Mai72]

40 million people visit Thailand every year? Holy crap!

<crosses Thailand off the list>

I lived in Thailand. It's a very cool city. Pollution and traffic is very bad though.

There are plenty of Chinese Thai. Theyt are normally the well eucated and have the money. They own much of the large businesses in Thailand as well.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Further information from what I hope some posters consider to be unbiased sources.

How China’s Coronavirus Is Spreading—and How to Stop It

Studies are building toward a tentative clinical profile of the outbreak.

foreignpolicy.com

Like its siblings SARS and MERS, the new coronavirus causes pneumonia—the infection of one or both lungs. But that may be only one potential syndrome, which is one of the factors making it difficult to spot.

After this deceptively slow start, the disease progresses rapidly during the second week—in a similar fashion to SARS. Hypoxemia caused by increasing lung injury leads to difficulty breathing and the need for oxygen therapy. ARDS (acute respiratory distress syndrome) is a common complication. Between 25 and 32 percent of cases are admitted to the intensive care unit (ICU) for mechanical ventilation and sometimes ECMO (pumping blood through an artificial lung for oxygenation).

Other complications include septic shock, acute kidney injury, and virus-induced cardiac injury. The extensive lung damage also sets the lung up for secondary bacterial pneumonia, which occurs in 10 percent of ICU admissions. (This may also be the case for the Spanish flu of 1918, which killed 50 million people; the fatalities attributed to the viral influenza may be more because of the bacterial pneumonia that followed.)

Pneumonia from any cause severe enough to require ICU admission is associated with high morbidity and mortality.

Please note, I'm not trying to be a scare-monger. Just pointing out that just because this is primarily isolated to certain portions of China, does not mean it shouldn't be on people's radar. It has exceedingly high potential to be catastrophic on the global stage if it gets out of hand.

Additional note, the youngest death at this time attributed to this virus is 36.

 

[sdifox]

Some old guy coughed on me!

Am I doooooooomed?

You were supposed to die yesterday no?

 

[Mai72]

What makes this a very deadly situation is the fact that the virus stays dormant in the host for up to 7-10 days. Maybe even longer. No telling how many people left Wuhan for other parts of the world. Wuhan totally ignored what was going on within their city. In fact, that wet market hosted a 400 person banquet a few weeks prior, and god knows what was on the menu. I can only imagine what type of animal flesh was consumed during that banquet. The close person to person contact. The other concern is will this virus mutate, and how many are truly infected. Imagine if someone who visited Wuhan a few weeks ago came back home to California. That person is infected and has a child. The child is now infected and has gone back to school after the winter break. Yea, you can see where this is going.

In the end this could turn out to be really bad, or just another scare. Remember MERS, SARS, and Ebola? They are saying that this is different though.

 

[Mai72]

You were supposed to die yesterday no?

Nope. Still here.

 

[sdifox]

What makes this a very deadly situation is the fact that the virus stays dormant in the host for up to 7-10 days. Maybe even longer. No telling how many people left Wuhan for other parts of the world. Wuhan totally ignored what was going on withoin their city. In fact, that wet market hosted a 400 person banquet a few weeks prior, and god knows what was on the menu. I can only imagine what type of animal flesh was consumed during that banquet. The close person to person contact. The other concern is will this virus mutate, and how many are truly infected. Imagine if someone who visited Wuhan a few weeks ago came back home to California. That person is infected and has a child. The child is now infected and has gone back to school after the winter break. Yea, you can see where this is going.

In the end this could turn out to be really bad, or just another scare. Remember MERS, SARS, and Ebola? They are saying that this is different though.

I would rather PRC overreact than repeat SARS response. Many healthcare workers got sick because the info flow was not timely.

 

[herm0016]

There are a bunch of Chinese companies and people at outdoor retailer in Denver this week.

 

[nakedfrog]

Nope. Still here.

Chin up, maybe tomorrow's your day!

 

[IronWing]

There are a bunch of Chinese companies and people at outdoor retailer in Denver this week.

The largest mineral show on earth starts Friday in my fair city. People from all over the world will come together to paw over the shinies. Gonna need hand sanitizer by the tanker load.

 

[Maxima1]

It doesn't. In nearly 3000 cases it has a death rate of 2.9%. The average age is 75 and the vast majority have severe co-morbidities.

There is no reason to believe this is anything nearly as severe as MERS or even SARS. To assume so is to do so based on zero evidence.

Moreover, SARS and MERS were successfully contained.

This is exactly the type of fear mongering I'm talking about.

If that's all-case mortality rate, that's much worse than flu (I think that usually hovers somewhere around 0.1-1%), and from what I've read, a significant portion of cases with this new coronavirus involve severe respiratory problems.

In addition, this coronavirus can infect others even during incubation period (up to like 12-14 days), and seems to have a rate of infection between people of 2-3 per infected individual, which is quite high.

 

[zinfamous]

lot of people want to Bangkok.

<snicker>

 

[Amused]

Like the WHO?

Confusion as WHO corrects China virus global risk level

GENEVA: The World Health Organization, which has sometimes been criticised for its handling of past disease outbreaks, admitted an error on Monday (Jan 27) in its risk assessment of China's deadly virus.The Geneva-based UN agency said in a situation report late on Sunday that the risk was "very h

www.channelnewsasia.com

And...

"The correction of the global risk assessment does not mean that an international health emergency has been declared.

The WHO on Thursday stopped short of declaring the novel coronavirus a public health emergency of international concern - a rare designation used only for the worst outbreaks that would trigger more concerted global action."

 

[zinfamous]

So first month of the decade we had WW3 fears, super virus. What next? Alien invasion? War of the Worlds?

We have Locusts, too...and Fires!

 

[zinfamous]

Just for the hell of it I took stock today.

I probably have close to 30 days of food. Also have emergency heat and lights for around 30 days. This is pretty normal though. Its a boy scout thing.

I have a cc and Amazon account that will deliver fresh food to my house daily, too; so I'm good.

 

[zinfamous]

Aren't these Lowes/ Home Depot masks mainly just disposable dust particle masks? I would think that a virus is so small that it could likely just pass thru it. I could see the mask helping in as far as it may prevent you from accidently directly touching your mouth or nostrils should your finger may have picked up the virus touching a doorknob /cell phone etc.

yes, they are garbage. N95 are pretty good...much better, at least, but aren't perfect for viruses. You need a sealed breather.