NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[dullard]

How many Americans still don't have any immunity (via infection and/or vaccine)? I've seen estimates that ~60% of Americans have natural immunity, but I can't find anything showing how that overlays with vaccinations.

The answer is a moving target. More people get sick, more people get vaccinations, and possibly people's immunity wanes over time. But, one snapshot in time was 83%: https://www.aabb.org/news-resources...that-83-of-americans-have-covid-19-antibodies

 

[MrSquished]

Maybe this NYC mandate means my trip in a couple of weeks will have less crowds. Hopefully, though, it doesn't mean places start to shut down.

It's possible the mandate for kids may reduce daytime restaurant customers a bit, mostly in touristy areas.

Not so much at night. But NYC has been pretty busy lately with the mandates for adults already in place, so not much is changing. Restaurants, bars, I've been every week - my friend went to see the tree this past weekend, another went the week before. All very busy.

Late night nightlife downtown Manhattan is quite busy again too. The one thing that new yorkers tell me is not back as much yet is the late night food scene. You get out drunk but the food is slim pickings compared to pre COVID.

 

[Geekbabe]

MGH sent an email advising all cancer patients in active treatment to get 2 shots, 28 days apart, get a third shot 28 days later and to get boosted 6 months later.

I had my first 2 shots last December and In mid January, had my third on August 30, & plan on going for the 4th at the end of February…or early March if the booster contains some protection from the new variants.

I continue to stay at home, avoiding store, restaurants, travel is out of the question. I mask when going out for medical care. Close to two years of this ….please get your shots

 

[ultimatebob]

It's possible the mandate for kids may reduce daytime restaurant customers a bit, mostly in touristy areas.

Not so much at night. But NYC has been pretty busy lately with the mandates for adults already in place, so not much is changing. Restaurants, bars, I've been every week - my friend went to see the tree this past weekend, another went the week before. All very busy.

Late night nightlife downtown Manhattan is quite busy again too. The one thing that new yorkers tell me is not back as much yet is the late night food scene. You get out drunk but the food is slim pickings compared to pre COVID.

That mandate was already suspended. That didn't take long:

NYC Vaccine Mandate Blocked by Judge in Blow to Bill de Blasio

The Supreme Court of New York has suspended the mayor's mandate for New York City workers, pending a court hearing set for December 14.

www.newsweek.com

 

[K1052]

That mandate was already suspended. That didn't take long:

NYC Vaccine Mandate Blocked by Judge in Blow to Bill de Blasio

The Supreme Court of New York has suspended the mayor's mandate for New York City workers, pending a court hearing set for December 14.

www.newsweek.com

Newsweek isn't a good outlet anymore and has not been for a while.

There was no TRO issued, mandate for city workers still in force. The city has to appear at the hearing on the 14th.

 

[MrSquished]

That mandate was already suspended. That didn't take long:

NYC Vaccine Mandate Blocked by Judge in Blow to Bill de Blasio

The Supreme Court of New York has suspended the mayor's mandate for New York City workers, pending a court hearing set for December 14.

www.newsweek.com

Was more referencing mandates to get into places like restaurants and museums, which would affect him as a tourist.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Canadian made vaccine showing good efficacy.

Canadian-made, plant-based COVID-19 vaccine sees positive Phase 3 results

Quebec-based biopharmaceutical company Medicago and drug maker GlaxoSmithKline says they have achieved positive efficacy and safety results from their Phase 3 trial of their plant-based COVID-19 vaccine.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[Exterous]

Dang

Michigan sets hospitalization record, leads nation in new coronavirus cases per capita | CNN

Michigan continues to struggle amid the pandemic, setting a record this week for Covid-19 hospitalizations and leading the nation in per capita case rates, new data reveal.

www.cnn.com

Yep - GJ Michigan. Here is my super fun Michigan story: Wife is a teacher and was a close contact with a positive COVID person at school. But not really for official purposes because the school notes they have a mask mandate so its cool. But not really as the mask mandate is not enforced and this person wasn't wearing a mask although they still didn't report it as a close contact or make her test. She is not a moron so when she found out she left work and then stayed home the next day (and already had the following Friday off). Before arriving home she found on CVS' website they were doing drive up PCR testing at a specific location. So she heads there only to be told they are not doing drive up PCR testing. Tries another CVS - same thing. Goes to an urgent care clinic and was told it would be a 2-3 hour wait. Decides to make an appt at a Walgreens the next morning instead. Gets there and Walgreens informs her that test results are running behind so it will be up to 24 hours. Of course, this was the day I was scheduled for my booster. So no results for her = a canceled booster apt for me. 24 hours later nothing from Walgreens or Abbott labs. She calls. They have no record of her coming in for a test. Finally finds a place for testing and turns up negative.

Giant goddamn mess. To make matters worse - HS wrestling is still a thing. Buncha schools bent to pressure to allow all sports again and - shocking - wrestlers and their friends are coming down with COVID. WHO COULD HAVE GUESSED?

I can't help but think of our testing in Copenhagen this summer. Needed a test for our flight home. Testing centers everywhere with up to date queue times and clear information about turn around time on an easy to use website. Headed to the local goddamn mall they took over a store location to do this and we walked in with no appointment. They took a look at our non-Danish passports and explained - in English - the fast, simple and free process for us. 10min later we had an official (and formally stamped) test results which looked way better than our US Hospital produced forms for entering Europe - which looked like my mom printed off a spam email she had copy and pasted into Word before printing.

Even better - just learned that a cousin of my wife was pregnant and caught COVID (also in MI). Baby had to be delivered early and weighs 2lbs. Mom (mother of 6) is now on a ventilator and not expected to make it. Facebook says the mom is sick with pneumonia (Yeah - sure). The GoFundMe sure says COVID though. Rabid anti-vax family. If ONLY there was something that could have prevented this entire situation. Damn you science for not giving us the tools to prevent this!

 

[MrSquished]

Yep - GJ Michigan. Here is my super fun Michigan story: Wife is a teacher and was a close contact with a positive COVID person at school. But not really for official purposes because the school notes they have a mask mandate so its cool. But not really as the mask mandate is not enforced and this person wasn't wearing a mask although they still didn't report it as a close contact or make her test. She is not a moron so when she found out she left work and then stayed home the next day (and already had the following Friday off). Before arriving home she found on CVS' website they were doing drive up PCR testing at a specific location. So she heads there only to be told they are not doing drive up PCR testing. Tries another CVS - same thing. Goes to an urgent care clinic and was told it would be a 2-3 hour wait. Decides to make an appt at a Walgreens the next morning instead. Gets there and Walgreens informs her that test results are running behind so it will be up to 24 hours. Of course, this was the day I was scheduled for my booster. So no results for her = a canceled booster apt for me. 24 hours later nothing from Walgreens or Abbott labs. She calls. They have no record of her coming in for a test. Finally finds a place for testing and turns up negative.

Giant goddamn mess. To make matters worse - HS wrestling is still a thing. Buncha schools bent to pressure to allow all sports again and - shocking - wrestlers and their friends are coming down with COVID. WHO COULD HAVE GUESSED?

I can't help but think of our testing in Copenhagen this summer. Needed a test for our flight home. Testing centers everywhere with up to date queue times and clear information about turn around time on an easy to use website. Headed to the local goddamn mall they took over a store location to do this and we walked in with no appointment. They took a look at our non-Danish passports and explained - in English - the fast, simple and free process for us. 10min later we had an official (and formally stamped) test results which looked way better than our US Hospital produced forms for entering Europe - which looked like my mom printed off a spam email she had copy and pasted into Word before printing.

Even better - just learned that a cousin of my wife was pregnant and caught COVID (also in MI). Baby had to be delivered early and weighs 2lbs. Mom (mother of 6) is now on a ventilator and not expected to make it. Facebook says the mom is sick with pneumonia (Yeah - sure). The GoFundMe sure says COVID though. Rabid anti-vax family. If ONLY there was something that could have prevented this entire situation. Damn you science for not giving us the tools to prevent this!

That's crazy. That poor baby now suffering because of wackadoo conspiracy theorist lovers.

We did good in the US with the vaccine rollout, but have failed miserably in other ways. Some countries in Europe are quite good at things because overall they believe government can truly benefit people, whereas here that is heresy for a huge amount of people and politicians so they are always fighting it, but also they just generally a less corrupt political system overall. Things here are way more run by corporations and lobbyists than some well run nations in Europe.

 

[manly]

everything is still pointing to that omicron is not bad.

All systems go for the holidays up here in mostly vaccinated people land!

This conclusion seems wildly optimistic. On one hand, I concur that COVID is mainly a "pandemic of the unvaccinated." OTOH what we're seeing in western Europe (in some places with better vax coverage than U.S.) is a preview of things to come in 3 weeks. Look at the mortality in Germany and they have a world-class health system with more ICU beds than the U.S. does per capita. It's gonna be a shit show with hospitalizations rising sharply in many parts of the country. Even New England is seeing it ramping up now and it has some of the best vax rates in the country.

If the deep South somehow avoids the worst of it, it's because they acquired a lot of natural immunity during the delta surge.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

If the deep South somehow avoids the worst of it, it's because they acquired a lot of natural immunity during the delta surge.

With the number of reinfections we're seeing, there's no reason to believe that delta antibodies even confer an immunity to omicron. In fact, as far as I can tell, omicron pretty well just walks over the top of an immune system. Sure, the immune system eventually fights it off, but it seems totally happy infecting someone, multiplying, and spreading, despite the person being 'immune'.

Breathtakingly infectious virus.

 

[K1052]

This conclusion seems wildly optimistic. On one hand, I concur that COVID is mainly a "pandemic of the unvaccinated." OTOH what we're seeing in western Europe (in some places with better vax coverage than U.S.) is a preview of things to come in 3 weeks. Look at the mortality in Germany and they have a world-class health system with more ICU beds than the U.S. does per capita. It's gonna be a shit show with hospitalizations rising sharply in many parts of the country. Even New England is seeing it ramping up now and it has some of the best vax rates in the country.

If the deep South somehow avoids the worst of it, it's because they acquired a lot of natural immunity during the delta surge.

Even places in the US with relatively high vax rates still have substantial naive populations that are vulnerable because they won't get shots or failed to bolster their natural protection with a dose in the face of Delta. Nationally this is millions and millions of people.

Early indications are that a Delta infection won't provide substantial protection from Omicron. If that's true the South's hard won Delta immunity won't be worth diddly unless they go get shots on top of it (which most won't). Many people simply cannot grasp changing circumstances and fail to act on new information.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Even places in the US with relatively high vax rates still have substantial naive populations that are vulnerable because they won't get shots or failed to bolster their natural protection with a dose in the face of Delta. Nationally this is millions and millions of people.

Even worse, only 71% of all ages have gotten a single dose, and only 60% has two doses (which at this point isn't really enough). We're talking about ~100M people completely unvaccinated, and another ~30M that are probably close enough to unvaccinated to consider them as such.

 

[K1052]

Even worse, only 71% of all ages have gotten a single dose, and only 60% has two doses (which at this point isn't really enough). We're talking about ~100M people completely unvaccinated, and another ~30M that are probably close enough to unvaccinated to consider them as such.

Given the crawl up to 60% fully vaccinated I think we're nearing the limits of what's possible in the US. Some people just will never get it and they're going to take their chances. 1-2K deaths a day for the foreseeable future seems likely. The same people are angry that normality hasn't returned but blind to the fact that its their fault.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Given the crawl up to 60% fully vaccinated I think we're nearing the limits of what's possible in the US. Some people just will never get it and they're going to take their chances. 1-2K deaths a day for the foreseeable future seems likely. The same people are angry that normality hasn't returned but blind to the fact that its their fault.

I mean, eventually there won't be any antivaxxers left 😛

 

[JM Aggie08]

Given the crawl up to 60% fully vaccinated I think we're nearing the limits of what's possible in the US. Some people just will never get it and they're going to take their chances. 1-2K deaths a day for the foreseeable future seems likely. The same people are angry that normality hasn't returned but blind to the fact that its their fault.

Fine by me -- culling the herd. Few stupid people -> human progress.

 

[Captante]

I mean, eventually there won't be any antivaxxers left 😛

Fine by me -- culling the herd. Few stupid people -> human progress.

We can hope.

 

[Tweak155]

FDA approves Pfizer's COVID-19 booster for 16- and 17-year-olds

https://twitter.com/i/events/1468984080075091970?s=20

 

[Muse]

Even worse, only 71% of all ages have gotten a single dose, and only 60% has two doses (which at this point isn't really enough). We're talking about ~100M people completely unvaccinated, and another ~30M that are probably close enough to unvaccinated to consider them as such.

I'd like to see them denied medical insurance if they don't have a reason to be unvaxxed. That would light a fire under some of their asses. There are over a million covid vax shots going into American arms daily now.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I'd like to see them denied medical insurance if they don't have a reason to be unvaxxed. That would light a fire under some of their asses.

Unlikely, we'd just see more people defaulting on debts, or hospitals going under from unpaid bills. I'd prefer them get vaxxed via helicopter like deer.

 

[Captante]

Unlikely, we'd just see more people defaulting on debts, or hospitals going under from unpaid bills. I'd prefer them get vaxxed via helicopter like deer.

If this was going to be done with a dart-gun, I would volunteer myself !! 😛


Or were you thinking more along the lines of "crop-dusting" ?

 

[nakedfrog]

With the number of reinfections we're seeing, there's no reason to believe that delta antibodies even confer an immunity to omicron. In fact, as far as I can tell, omicron pretty well just walks over the top of an immune system. Sure, the immune system eventually fights it off, but it seems totally happy infecting someone, multiplying, and spreading, despite the person being 'immune'.

Breathtakingly infectious virus.

 

[Captante]

Pneu-Dart X-Caliber ~ $1995.00 + shipping 😀

Available in black or camo!

 

[IronWing]

Pneu-Dart X-Caliber ~ $1995.00 + shipping 😀

Available in black or camo!

Interesting stuff. You can shoot someone with a barbed transmitter, great way to keep track of your kids.

 

[IronWing]

Things are going splendidly; ICU bed utilization is at 96% statewide in Arizona and there are only 7 open beds in my county with a population of a bit over a million. Regular patient beds are also at 96% utilization but there are a lot more of those.