NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[Brainonska511]

This is leadership?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1280197752107028481

A leader in most cases.

 

[CZroe]

I have heard a lot about airborne versus droplet transmission. Seems to be some confusion concerning this both from an understanding standpoint and from a scientific standpoint, i.e. lack of data. Michael Osterholm 2+ months ago was voicing pessimistic ideas, basically that 6 feet was too optimistic for SD. Also that indoor environments without adequate ventilation could remain dangerous for significant periods of time, IIRC an hour or two. So, that might be considered "airborne," at least by some.

True airborne, I heard, would mean even an N95 mask (without seeping air) would not insure against infection, i.e. that the viral particles could penetrate the mask filter (not need to sit in droplets).

Saw on the news last night that some 200 scientists world wide are pressing the WHO to declare SARS-CoV-2 "airborne." I suppose it's a petition. I'd like to see that petition, or at least read a demystification of all this.

Now, the 6 foot social distancing directive is IMO just this: It won't guarantee that you are safe from getting infected... not at all. What it really represents is the figure they give to the populace that if honored is going to reduce the rate of transmission to levels that quell the outbreaks. The epidemiology is one thing, what you need to do to keep yourself safe is another. Risk tolerance factors into any particular person's intelligent planning and activities in this pandemic

Just got this pushed to me phone from Google:

Coronavirus can float in air and WHO and CDC should tell people that, experts say

Coronavirus can be airborne and these 239 scientists want people to know about aerosol and droplet transmission of Covid-19.

www.cnn.com

CNN says doctors are pushing the WHO to declare it airborne but the WHO is reluctant because that could cause panic.

 

[Muse]

This is leadership?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1280197752107028481

Definitely - We lead the world in cases and deaths per capita.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Since the Olympics were cancelled the US chose a different way to go for the gold.

Speaking of which, can you imagine if they had followed through like they wanted? We would be in a much worse situation everywhere in the world I think.

 

[K1052]

I am fucking rolling.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1280217058677084160

They say there are no atheists in foxholes and I guess there are no libertarians in a virus triggered economic crisis.

 

[CZroe]

Months ago ReasonTV responded to the "no one is a Libertarian during a pandemic" rhetoric by saying that pandemic response is one of the few valid roles for the government according to Libertarian principles. Of course, Ayn Rand and her followers have a particularly extreme philosophy about not relying on the government, but there is a difference between "relying on" and taking from (willingly receiving).

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I am fucking rolling.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1280217058677084160

They say there are no atheists in foxholes and I guess there are no libertarians in a virus triggered economic crisis.

That is ironically funny, yet not surprising.

Free money is free money yo. No one will decline it.

 

[JEDI]

 

[shortylickens]

Months ago ReasonTV responded to the "no one is a Libertarian during a pandemic" rhetoric by saying that pandemic response is one of the few valid roles for the government according to Libertarian principles. Of course, Ayn Rand and her followers have a particularly extreme philosophy about not relying on the government, but there is a difference between "relying on" and taking from (willingly receiving).

I've been watching America for a long time and something I learned is absolutely nobody has any idea what a real libertarian is, so these discussions are pointless.
Only a handful of people actually know what a communist is and they usually lie about it to score points with a brainwashed ignorant voter base.

 

[local]

Free money is free money yo. No one will decline it.

Exactly, if you are going to just randomly send me $6k I am going to accept it and any more you want to send me later as well. I don't need it and didn't ask for it but I am not so much of an idiot as to turn it down. I am certain the same thing applies to most any entity.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I've been watching America for a long time and something I learned is absolutely nobody has any idea what a real libertarian is, so these discussions are pointless.
Only a handful of people actually know what a communist is and they usually lie about it to score points with a brainwashed ignorant voter base.

One thing is for sure: this pandemic has really challenged the whole rhetoric of "Do whatever you want as long as it doesn't effect others".

Well... You're breathing is apparently effecting others now lol.

 

[Spacehead]

Coworker had lunch last Tuesday with a friend, hung out with said friend on Wednesday and found out said friend hung out with someone else over the weekend who tested positive. Coworker's friend got tested, and he ended up positive. My coworker is not showing symptoms, although she didn't come into work today. She is scheduled for a test Wednesday morning, but is expecting to return to work tomorrow. According to our HR, even though she may have been directly exposed, we still can't make her stay home, only encourage her.

Man, as soon as i found out i was near someone that tested positive they'd have to force me to go to work. OK, maybe not force me but i would certainly be reluctant to go.
At our shop it wouldn't even be a question really... they wouldn't want me to go in for probably at least a week.

 

[Spacehead]

We were talking at work today about testing & now i'm wondering, maybe confused.
PCR test is a test for active infection. Is the only way to do that with the swab into you sinus cavity(or however deep)?
Wasn't there a saliva test for that too? I don't hear much about that anymore.
Someone said there is a blood test too but it takes like 2 weeks to get the results. Is there such a thing?
Any other types of tests? And which is the most accurate?

Antibody test... that's typically a blood test correct? Any other types?

 

[Ajay]

Just got this pushed to me phone from Google:

Coronavirus can float in air and WHO and CDC should tell people that, experts say

Coronavirus can be airborne and these 239 scientists want people to know about aerosol and droplet transmission of Covid-19.

www.cnn.com

CNN says doctors are pushing the WHO to declare it airborne but the WHO is reluctant because that could cause panic.

Caught that piece on the TV. It may well cause panic, because it is true. Working in an office, even six feet apart, without effective fresh air exchange, with an airborne pathogen means people will contract Covid. Adding in mask will reduce the odds, but I don't by know how much in an optimal environment.

I think it is obvious that as a large nation, with high mobility, including international travel - we had a high likelihood of seeing the explosive growth in the rate of infection early on. Sadly, we lacked governmental leadership, preparedness, and a well organized national health response. If we had been able to dramatically lower the number of cases, say like, Germany, we could could be sending people back to work with less stringent requirements along with sufficient testing and contract tracing.

One can only hope that we learn some good lessons from this. I think some states will and other will not. Hopefully, the next administration will up our epidemic preparedness (but this likely requires a national healthcare system - which is a hot potato in our politics today).

 

[Red Squirrel]

Really hope they keep the border closed, they even need to start being more strict about what is essential travel. Allow transport trucks trading goods, and that's it imo.

This map shows why it would be 'terrifying' to open Canada-U.S. border

A map showing the startling contrast between Canada and the United States in the fight against COVID-19 has an infectious disease expert "terrified" at the thought of reopening the border.

toronto.ctvnews.ca

 

[JEDI]

 

[Svnla]

S. Korea has 44 new cases. Philippines sees new rise of new cases but no number yet.

This virus is just like "wack - a - mole".

My potential oversea trip is not looking good now.

 

[shortylickens]

 

[Muse]

They say there are no atheists in foxholes and I guess there are no libertarians in a virus triggered economic crisis.

I'm pretty clear on what an atheist is but have never been real clear on what a libertarian is. What's really got me confused is the term "populist." Too much damn confetti for me to see though. And the meaning of the bolded text above? I'm whiffing on that entirely. Anyways, stay safe.

Uh, yeah, "Sell your cleverness and buy bewilderment."

You'all puttin' me on, right?

Really hope they keep the border closed, they even need to start being more strict about what is essential travel. Allow transport trucks trading goods, and that's it imo.

This map shows why it would be 'terrifying' to open Canada-U.S. border

A map showing the startling contrast between Canada and the United States in the fight against COVID-19 has an infectious disease expert "terrified" at the thought of reopening the border.

toronto.ctvnews.ca

If I was you I would never want to see another American.

 

[Muse]

CNN says doctors are pushing the WHO to declare it airborne but the WHO is reluctant because that could cause panic.

That's the greasy bone spurs president's motivation too. But he's on the extreme end of the spectrum. He wants everyone to think it's just nothing. Ignore it, it "go away," ... go out, don't wear a mask (pretend it doesn't exist), lounge, gamble (at his casinos), go on vacations, staying in his hotels, playing on his golf courses...

Spoiler

"Do it now! ... before I go bankrupt again!"

Buy stuff, keep the economy humming ... vote for him. His address on the lawn of the white house on the 4th made my skin crawl, as usual. That guy is the least eloquent person I think I've ever encountered. Most people when they're so bad at expressing themselves verbally have the decency to STFU. Not this guy... weird times.

 

[sactoking]

Coworker had lunch last Tuesday with a friend, hung out with said friend on Wednesday and found out said friend hung out with someone else over the weekend who tested positive. Coworker's friend got tested, and he ended up positive. My coworker is not showing symptoms, although she didn't come into work today. She is scheduled for a test Wednesday morning, but is expecting to return to work tomorrow. According to our HR, even though she may have been directly exposed, we still can't make her stay home, only encourage her.

That's 100% false, the company CAN force her to stay home if they elect to pay her for the day. The fact that they have a KNOWN potential COVID asymptomatic spreader planning on coming to work and they're not willing to spend, what, $250 tops, on a daily wage to keep her home should tell you what they value their employees' health at.

 

[sactoking]

I'd also say that, to me, it seemed like COVID was treating through a lot of nursing homes and care facilities early on. That could have really pushed the death count higher than normal. Throughout May and June I haven't heard as many stories of 40+ people dying in one facility.

 

[Muse]

One can only hope that we learn some good lessons from this. I think some states will and other will not. Hopefully, the next administration will up our epidemic preparedness (but this likely requires a national healthcare system - which is a hot potato in our politics today).

The writing's all over the wall. If you decipher our predicament, it's precisely that... we don't have a national healthcare system. This more than anything else I can think of underscores, highlights, magnifies, intensifies the very fact that without a NHS we in the USA are super vulnerable to pandemics. The writing was on the wall, hey, people have been shouting that "we're the only developed nation on earth without a NHS" for quite a few years now. This will only push us further to get that on-tracked. Will it happen if Biden gains the White House? I can't say, TBH. I can't read Biden. He may have it in him, I really believe that. But it might not happen soon unless this pandemic proves to be our match without a NHS. It might play out that way.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

S. Korea has 44 new cases. Philippines sees new rise of new cases but no number yet.

This virus is just like "wack - a - mole".

My potential oversea trip is not looking good now.

The one time getting travel insurance could have came in handy lol.

 

[rh71]

Bubonic plague... Holy shit guys, stop eating strange things for strange reasons.

Case of bubonic plague found in China's Inner Mongolia

In the Chinese region of Inner Mongolia, a city is on high alert after authorities confirmed a case of the bubonic plague -- the disease that once caused the most deadly pandemic in human history.

amp.cnn.com