NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[K1052]

Slippery fucking slope.

To a democracy that arguably functions better than ours while insanely more effective safeguarding public health?

 

[K1052]

Funny that you bring this up. My spouse just watched the seminar on this the other day, as she works in a core facility at a university prepping samples for sequencing

Since it looks like rapid antigen testing won't be available until the fall seems like this could fill a pretty big hole in the near term if it can be scaled.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

ok, so this happened a few weeks ago, but I"m just now posting it-

My wife ordered vitamin D supplements from our local Walmart. When we went to pick up the order, the girl we met at the sidewalk told us that they were out of them, so she had substituted vitamin B supplements, and then asked if that was ok with us...

One vitamin is just as good as any other, amirite?

LOL.

Well... if you weren't already aware of this... there is a reason they work retail.... and then there is ANOTHER reason as to why they work at Walmart.

 

[Spacehead]

There’s a reason it’s called ‘The Mistake By the Lake’

I thought that was Cleveland?

edit-
forgot to add smiley

 

[MtnMan]

This means the mortality rate is dramatically less than previously stated.

But are they immune, and if so, how long does it last?

 

[Kaido]

Ooh dang:

Coronavirus quickly spread around the world starting late last year, new genetic analysis shows | CNN

The Covid-19 coronavorus has been spreading in people since late last year, a new genetic analysis shows.

www.cnn.com

 

[brainhulk]

Well bad news kids, it looks like my hospital is getting another surge. Our COVID unit has been packed last couple days. I think relaxing the stay at home recommendations is going to be a bad idea...

 

[Red Squirrel]

Yeah it's too early to start relaxing stuff. Even here they are already talking about it. We just had another outbreak at a nursing home. Though their definition of outbreak is 1 case, so not really an outbreak, but it could mean more people could get it.

 

[TheVrolok]

Well bad news kids, it looks like my hospital is getting another surge. Our COVID unit has been packed last couple days. I think relaxing the stay at home recommendations is going to be a bad idea...

I would be truly shocked if we don't see another peak.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Well bad news kids, it looks like my hospital is getting another surge. Our COVID unit has been packed last couple days. I think relaxing the stay at home recommendations is going to be a bad idea...

Rule #1 of this relaxing of rules still needs to be that if you are 45+ years old, have a weak immune system, or some other kind of issue then you need to stay home indefinitely. Anyone else should overall maintain distancing practices at all times.

I honestly don't think they are emphasizing that at all.

 

[Roger Wilco]

Ooh dang:

Coronavirus quickly spread around the world starting late last year, new genetic analysis shows | CNN

The Covid-19 coronavorus has been spreading in people since late last year, a new genetic analysis shows.

www.cnn.com

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This is really interesting. The US didn't report its first Covid death until 2/29.

 

[Kaido]

This is really interesting. The US didn't report its first Covid death until 2/29.

They just updated it to February 6th:

1st Known U.S. COVID-19 Death Was Weeks Earlier Than Previously Thought

The first U.S. COVID-19 death took place on Feb. 6, an autopsy shows. The person died at home in Santa Clara County, Calif., at a time when testing in the U.S. was tightly limited.

www.npr.org

They're looking as far back as November now:

Cook County searching for overlooked COVID-19 deaths as far back as November just ‘to cover our bases’

The state recorded its first COVID-19 death on March 16, but the medical examiner is investigating whether the death toll could have actually started months or more earlier.

chicago.suntimes.com

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

They just updated it to February 6th:

1st Known U.S. COVID-19 Death Was Weeks Earlier Than Previously Thought

The first U.S. COVID-19 death took place on Feb. 6, an autopsy shows. The person died at home in Santa Clara County, Calif., at a time when testing in the U.S. was tightly limited.

www.npr.org

They're looking as far back as November now:

Cook County searching for overlooked COVID-19 deaths as far back as November just ‘to cover our bases’

The state recorded its first COVID-19 death on March 16, but the medical examiner is investigating whether the death toll could have actually started months or more earlier.

chicago.suntimes.com

If it was honestly spreading across the US as far back as November, containment of ANY kind at this point (outside of vulnerable classes) seems absolutely stupid IMO. No question.

The world didn't start even social distancing (let alone closing places) until Late Feb and Early March (depending on where you live). That's as much as OVER THREE ENTIRE MONTHS of the virus spreading.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

If it was honestly spreading across the US as far back as November, containment of ANY kind at this point (outside of vulnerable classes) seems absolutely stupid IMO. No question.

The world didn't start even social distancing (let alone closing places) until Late Feb and Early March (depending on where you live). That's as much as OVER THREE ENTIRE MONTHS of the virus spreading.

It clearly wasn't spreading at the rate it currently is, or we would have had an explosion of ICU cases in DEC/JAN. We've thoroughly established how absurdly virulent this is.

Far more likely that was either a different strain, or it somehow stayed localized to very specific locations until the true outbreak began in FEB.

 

[K1052]

If it was honestly spreading across the US as far back as November, containment of ANY kind at this point (outside of vulnerable classes) seems absolutely stupid IMO. No question.

Nationally exposure is probably very low still outside a few hot spots. Even NYC which had rampant spread is still likely under 20%. Absent testing data from earlier you can look at the hospitalization rates and the influenza like illness data and they don't lie, epidemic spread likely commenced in Feb.

Restricting movement, and thus reducing infections, serves to keep the medical system from becoming overburdened which results in the fatality rate skyrocketing. This is supposed to buy time to get the testing regime up to much larger numbers, stand up contact tracing, and identify therapeutics that reduce hospitalization time and ideally lower mortality. Had we not wasted months of time we would have reached this stage already and could hold infections to a manageable level.

 

[Kaido]

Nationally exposure is probably very low still outside a few hot spots. Even NYC which had rampant spread is still likely under 20%. Absent testing data from earlier you can look at the hospitalization rates and the influenza like illness data and they don't lie, epidemic spread likely commenced in Feb.

Restricting movement, and thus reducing infections, serves to keep the medical system from becoming overburdened which results in the fatality rate skyrocketing. This is supposed to buy time to get the testing regime up to much larger numbers, stand up contact tracing, and identify therapeutics that reduce hospitalization time and ideally lower mortality. Had we not wasted months of time we would have reached this stage already and could hold infections to a manageable level.

That's it in a nutshell! I think this is a pretty good summary of what we know so far:

1. We're social distancing to prevent overloading hospitals, as this will continue to spread & more people will get sick
2. It's obviously very proximity based, i.e. Texas = >900 deaths, whereas NYC = over 19,000 deaths
3. You wear a mask to prevent YOU from infecting OTHERS, especially if you are both untested & asymptomatic (i.e. you have it, but you're not sick, but you're still unwittingly spreading it)

I'd imagine that most of us will get the coronavirus sometime over the next year, herd immunity & all that. Very interested to see how this thing behaves long-term, especially as far as the antibodies & the possibility of re-infection goes.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Nationally exposure is probably very low still outside a few hot spots. Even NYC which had rampant spread is still likely under 20%. Absent testing data from earlier you can look at the hospitalization rates and the influenza like illness data and they don't lie, epidemic spread likely commenced in Feb.

Restricting movement, and thus reducing infections, serves to keep the medical system from becoming overburdened which results in the fatality rate skyrocketing. This is supposed to buy time to get the testing regime up to much larger numbers, stand up contact tracing, and identify therapeutics that reduce hospitalization time and ideally lower mortality. Had we not wasted months of time we would have reached this stage already and could hold infections to a manageable level.

I totally get that. The problem is that if exposure is truly much larger than we realized from the last 6+ months dating back to November - then this has been drastically overblown as far as how many people are dying from this.

This is the crux of why our media is a piece of shit - even with the data we have thus far, the death rate is roughly ~0.5% based on what we know. Yet our wonderful media still continues to peddle BS that it's 3 or 4% and that everything should be closed and people should die from starvation and not have money to pay bills. Shit man, have you seen the lines of cars that pile up for food banks? It's not going to get any shorter and the free food will only continue to dry up more.

At this point (as what we know continues to grow from increased study/research) I'm willing to bet that death rate will actually turn out to be substantially even lower than 0.5%. If this started spreading in November, then that is pretty much already proven.

 

[K1052]

I totally get that. The problem is that if exposure is truly much larger than we realized from the last 6+ months dating back to November - then this has been drastically overblown as far as how many people are dying from this.

Yes, but the data doesn't support this as the case so far so assuming it doesn't make sense.

This is the crux of why our media is a piece of shit - even with the data we have thus far, the death rate is roughly ~0.5% based on what we know. Yet our wonderful media still continues to peddle BS that it's 3 or 4% and that everything should be closed and people should die from starvation and not have money to pay bills. Shit man, have you seen the lines of cars that pile up for food banks? It's not going to get any shorter and the free food will only continue to dry up more.

The economy started shutting down before the government stepped in. People made their own decisions about risk and the message was pretty clear that they saw a lot of risk. There is just no substitute for making the public feel confident again by way of effective public health interventions. The vast majority of the population doesn't want to loosen too quickly despite the economic damage being inflicted.

At this point (as what we know continues to grow from increased study/research) I'm willing to bet that death rate will actually turn out to be substantially even lower than 0.5%. If this started spreading in November, then that is pretty much already proven.

Like my first comment above we don't know that but so far the evidence doesn't point to epidemic spread much before Feb of this year. Eventually we'll know but it will not be real soon.

 

[Mai72]

I wonder if we will open for Memorial Day. The Govenor of NJ had stated yesterday that we will open when we are ready. I'm sure he's getting a TON of hate and is feeling the heat for not opening the state. Then again, these are the same people who would be screaming that he didn't do enough if COVID-19 numbers went thru the roof.

You can't win.

 

[ultimatebob]

To a democracy that arguably functions better than ours while insanely more effective safeguarding public health?

I'm imagining a German version of K1052 in the late 1930's saying "See, these new government regulations aren't so bad! I'm glad that the new administration is looking out for our well-being!"

 

[K1052]

I'm imagining a German version of K1052 in the late 1930's saying "See, these new government regulations aren't so bad! I'm glad that the new administration is looking out for our well-being!"

Godwin's Law threshold achieved.

 

[brainhulk]

So for background

Coronavirus strains cash-strapped hospitals, could cause up to 100 to close within a year

In rural communities across America, more than 800 hospitals faced financial peril before COVID-19. Now, they could face closure.

www.usatoday.com

The hospital is not making any money on these minorities without insurance and probably losing money. They aren't making money on elective surgeries anymore. So that's probably why administration is going all idgaf. The hospital will probably be broke when this is all over.

 

[linkgoron]

I totally get that. The problem is that if exposure is truly much larger than we realized from the last 6+ months dating back to November - then this has been drastically overblown as far as how many people are dying from this.

This is the crux of why our media is a piece of shit - even with the data we have thus far, the death rate is roughly ~0.5% based on what we know. Yet our wonderful media still continues to peddle BS that it's 3 or 4% and that everything should be closed and people should die from starvation and not have money to pay bills. Shit man, have you seen the lines of cars that pile up for food banks? It's not going to get any shorter and the free food will only continue to dry up more.

At this point (as what we know continues to grow from increased study/research) I'm willing to bet that death rate will actually turn out to be substantially even lower than 0.5%. If this started spreading in November, then that is pretty much already proven.

Your fixation with the death rate is extremely amusing. It doesn't matter if it's 1% or 0.5% or 0.1%, as even with social distancing and stay-at-home orders in-place, the US just passed 70k deaths in two months (60K in April alone, and IMO there's still some under-counting, given how much excess death is reported) and according to most models will end up with more than 100,000 deaths before the end of May. It's definitely not some walk-in-the-park overhyped BS.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

So for background

Coronavirus strains cash-strapped hospitals, could cause up to 100 to close within a year

In rural communities across America, more than 800 hospitals faced financial peril before COVID-19. Now, they could face closure.

www.usatoday.com

The hospital is not making any money on these minorities without insurance and probably losing money. They aren't making money on elective surgeries anymore. So that's probably why administration is going all idgaf. The hospital will probably be broke when this is all over.

I've seen plenty of dumb morons in the health-care industry. Passing nursing school is obviously a joke in this day of age.

EDIT: I'm mostly saying this because folks right now have this hard-on infatuation with finding anyone who works in medical as being amazingly talented saints. This video (along with myself) will tell you: That isn't the truth AT ALL. There are an absolute ton of dumb fucking people that are in charge of lives. The qualification/vetting process for nurses is incredibly subpar.

I've had plenty of medical care in my life - as well as having to spend 3-months in a Neonatal ICU for our daughter. There are fucking rockstars that are smart as shit - and there are lazy fucking morons that I honestly wouldn't trust with a pencil let alone a 2lb baby on a breathing tube.

 

[KMFJD]

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what a shit show